[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?


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Like it or not, there is a huge movement of motivated people that are represented by Trump at this time. They will vote for him regardless of anything. Maybe it will be 30% of the national vote, or 40% - millions of people who will still have a populist movement going, with or without Trump. Even if he lost, he might stick around as a massive bullhorn for change. He might think that would be almost as much fun as being president.
 
Like it or not, there is a huge movement of motivated people that are represented by Trump at this time. They will vote for him regardless of anything. Maybe it will be 30% of the national vote, or 40% - millions of people who will still have a populist movement going, with or without Trump. Even if he lost, he might stick around as a massive bullhorn for change. He might think that would be almost as much fun as being president.

Yea my Dad is one of them, and my wife's Dad, and both of their wives will go along with them. They're crazy. At some point, you have to have some self-respect, look in the mirror and say, honestly... does this person represent you?

I don't know how anyone can look at Trump and say "yes". I don't know how anyone can even figure out what he represents... or Hillary for that matter. Trump is for.... lower taxes? no. Balanced budget? No. Banning Muslim immigrants? No. Building a wall? not so clear. Protectionist trade policy? Maybe? Hard to say exactly what.

Hillary is for corporate taxes? No? Banning guns? No? Taxing the rich? Maybe? Universal healthcare? Kinda? It's not really clear. Neither of them want to be pinned down with anything concrete. Even if they did, trust is an issue with either one. How can you say they represent you?

Trump will get millions of votes. But he has lost.
 
Trump will get millions of votes. But he has lost.
Trump may get millions of votes (almost certainly in fact). But if he gets more votes than Hillary, we'll never know it.
 
I'm not even sure Trump could say he is represented by Trump. The amount of random little things that have always set him off makes me think if someone else was saying them he'd find something to throw a fit over.



Hilary's laywers want her to plead the fifth on which candidate she supports.
 
Oh, please. We're not talking about some third-world dictatorship here. The idea that someone could actually rig a national election in the U.S., and get away with it, is ludicrous.

You're new, aren't you. Cheating in Elections has been happening since we became a country. Ask Al Gore about the subject of rigged elections and see what he has to say about it.
 
Yea my Dad is one of them, and my wife's Dad, and both of their wives will go along with them. They're crazy. At some point, you have to have some self-respect, look in the mirror and say, honestly... does this person represent you?

I don't know how anyone can look at Trump and say "yes". I don't know how anyone can even figure out what he represents... or Hillary for that matter. Trump is for.... lower taxes? no. Balanced budget? No. Banning Muslim immigrants? No. Building a wall? not so clear. Protectionist trade policy? Maybe? Hard to say exactly what.

Hillary is for corporate taxes? No? Banning guns? No? Taxing the rich? Maybe? Universal healthcare? Kinda? It's not really clear. Neither of them want to be pinned down with anything concrete. Even if they did, trust is an issue with either one. How can you say they represent you?

Trump will get millions of votes. But he has lost.

Cheer up Danoff - this way you get to moan about Hillary for the next 4 years. If Gary Johnson actually won the election you'd have to face the disillusioning spectacle of watching him completely fail to advance the libertarian agenda during his presidency.
 
That's exactly the opposite of what her tax plan will do.

It all depends on how you define what exactly is middle class. I have personally heard it defined as anyone who makes below $200,000/yr. I may have posted this once before, but it bears repeating. If incomes across the board are on an astronomical rise (as seen in this chart below), and the middle class is shrinking, where are they going? Obviously, they are getting richer. And if the middle class is anywhere less than $200,000/yr., then they will hit the higher tax income brackets rather quick because they are not "paying their fair share."

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Source: The Wonderful World of Stu - The Blaze

I retract my previous statement about Bernie Sanders being a viable write-in option, he is not because he did not file the proper registration paperwork with each state to be eligible. You may vote for him but your vote will not count and it will be thrown out. So basically, it's either Jill or Gary now

Actually, I did some research, and he is a viable write-in candidate in 7 states, because, under state law, you can write in anybody that you wish. They are Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Vermont, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Iowa, and Oregon.

45 states have "Sore Loser" provisions, which bar a primary candidate that lost that state's primary from running in a general election as an independent. At least two of those 45 have laws that apply to Presidential candidates. However, it is unclear whether or not it would apply to write-in candidates.

Nine states do not allow write-in candidates at all, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, South Dakota, Hawaii, and Nevada. The remaining 34 states require you to register to get on a write-in candidate list.
 
It all depends on how you define what exactly is middle class. I have personally heard it defined as anyone who makes below $200,000/yr. I may have posted this once before, but it bears repeating. If incomes across the board are on an astronomical rise (as seen in this chart below), and the middle class is shrinking, where are they going? Obviously, they are getting richer. And if the middle class is anywhere less than $200,000/yr., then they will hit the higher tax income brackets rather quick because they are not "paying their fair share."

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Source: The Wonderful World of Stu - The Blaze

Source - The Blaze. One of the biggest contributors to the current state of politics in the US is the polarization of public opinion, which seems to be prodded by the wildly unbalanced media sources people are increasingly turning to for their information. Alex Jones, or Breitbart might be OK for an occasional foray into the "alternative" news, but when people use as these as their primary source of information you're going to end up with a electorate with a wildly unbalanced view of the world.

Sanji, your chart doesn't really show what you think it does & it doesn't have enough information to offer real insight into what's happening. In 2015 the Scientific American published an article exploring income inequality in America & Americans' perceptions of it:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/economic-inequality-it-s-far-worse-than-you-think/

It's more graphically demonstrated in this video:

 
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Source - The Blaze. One of the biggest contributors to the current state of politics in the US is the polarization of public opinion, which seems to be prodded by the wildly unbalanced media sources people are increasingly turning to for their information. Alex Jones, or Breitbart might be OK for an occasional foray into the "alternative" news, but when people use as these as their primary source of information you're going to end up with a electorate with a wildly unbalanced view of the world.

Sanji, your chart doesn't really show what you think it does & it doesn't have enough information to offer real insight into what's happening. In 2015 the Scientific American published an article exploring income inequality in America & Americans' perceptions of it:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/economic-inequality-it-s-far-worse-than-you-think/

It's more graphically demonstrated in this video:


It's more graphically demonstrated in this video that is sourced from CNN, Mother Jones and ThinkProgress, all great examples of biased "news" sources that lead to a wildly unbalanced view of the world.
 
There is still one thing that needs to be highlighted, Trump still has legitimate support that clinton doesn't which means he will get more people that don't normally vote.

This generaly doesn't get reflected in polls, unless people come out in droves just to ensure trump isn't president I don't see where clinton gets her huge poll lead reflected in votes.
 
I would like to know what is up with the current US policy towards the Assad government in Syria. Why is the US funding and supporting Syrian rebels? The US is risking going to war with Russia for what?

The US needs to quit interfering in Middle East politics. The "Arab Spring" was a disaster, and it was Hiliary and Obama that promoted it.

Trump wants to stop funding Syrian rebels. Many are ISIS fighters. He actually wants to team up with Russia and go after ISIS.

I would much rather the US work with Russia, than fight with them.

But Trump has a potty mouth, so... I guess he is not qualified. :rolleyes:
 
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Why is the US funding and supporting Syrian rebels?
Because if they fought everyone all at once, it would be a mess. The only way to legitimately defeat ISIL is to do so with a Muslim-majority coalition. Otherwise, you just incite anti-American and anti-Western sentiment, which is precisely what gave rise to ISIL in the first place.

He actually wants to team up with Russia and go after ISIS.
Russia has no interest going after ISIL. All they want to do is prop up the Assad regime because Syria is Moscow's only ally in the Middle East.

The "Arab Spring" was a disaster
Arab Spring was not instigated by the United States.

it was Hiliary and Obama that promoted it
Shame on them for promoting democracy where there was only tyranny before.
 
Aren't Russia and USA working together according to theorists to spread "democracy/communism"? It never ends...
 
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Trump still has legitimate support that clinton doesn't

What do you mean by "legitimate support"?

This generaly doesn't get reflected in polls

Support for a candidate is exactly what is reflected in polls, usually.....

I don't see where clinton gets her huge poll lead reflected in votes

Are you referring to expected Dem/Rep/Ind turnout? Because I think most major polls do take that into account in their modelling (although whether it's done well or not in an election with unusally large numbers of independents/former non-voters, I don't honestly know).
 
Oh, please. We're not talking about some third-world dictatorship here.
Not yet, but that's the direction we're heading.
The idea that someone could actually rig a national election in the U.S., and get away with it, is ludicrous.
Yes it's ludicrous. About as ludicrous as rigging the Democratic (as opposed to democratic) primary process.
 
Because if they fought everyone all at once, it would be a mess. The only way to legitimately defeat ISIL is to do so with a Muslim-majority coalition. Otherwise, you just incite anti-American and anti-Western sentiment, which is precisely what gave rise to ISIL in the first place.
Yes and no. They are funding the rebellion in Syria because the US wants Assad gone, just like we did in Libya and Egypt before them. The only difference this time is that Assad isn't going to go quietly.


Russia has no interest going after ISIL. All they want to do is prop up the Assad regime because Syria is Moscow's only ally in the Middle East.
I personally believe that Russia does want ISIS gone, just like the majority of the world. The only difference between the parties is that Russia believes that keeping Assad in place will help significantly.


Arab Spring was not instigated by the United States.
Leaked documents suggest otherwise. I reported this earlier, but I'm on mobile, so I'll have to bring it up tonight when I get home from a wedding.

Shame on them for promoting democracy where there was only tyranny before.
I would agree that it is a noble cause, but if you look at the evidence of US involvement in other countries, you will only find one disaster after another. Here's a list:

Korea: still at war officially
Vietnam: the north took over after we pulled out
Afghanistan: still at war with the taliban, a group that we directly funded in the 80s to fight the Soviets
Iraq: ISIS is running rampant after two wars with Saddam
Egypt: the military is in control after Mubarak resigned to the terror organization The Muslim Brotherhood
Libya: in a state of civil war after the previous leader was assassinated
 
Cheer up Danoff - this way you get to moan about Hillary for the next 4 years. If Gary Johnson actually won the election you'd have to face the disillusioning spectacle of watching him completely fail to advance the libertarian agenda during his presidency.

I'd rather watch him try and fail than watch others try (and either fail or succeed) at ruining the country.
 
Cheer up Danoff - this way you get to moan about Hillary for the next 4 years. If Gary Johnson actually won the election you'd have to face the disillusioning spectacle of watching him completely fail to advance the libertarian agenda during his presidency.

Why would anyone want to moan about the current state of affairs when it could just be hit on the head correctly the first time. I mean you'd think after 43 of these people, we'd figure out as a collective how to make an election work for us. It gets old complaining what wind bag has us up some nations butt for no reason, or what ego is pushing the limits of the constitution and on and on.
 
Why would anyone want to moan about the current state of affairs when it could just be hit on the head correctly the first time. I mean you'd think after 43 of these people, we'd figure out as a collective how to make an election work for us.
Given the facts of economics and demographics, it may be inevitably the correct way to go to have top-down rule by corporations and elites. I don't deny most people are into drugs, pornography and entertainment to the extent they can't make their lives work or mean anything. Why should they vote or be consulted? Is democracy enshrined somewhere in the Constitution? Not really. Our representative republic was always an experiment that could easily fail, and it has. We are hopelessly polarized. Back to oligarchy!? And not a minute too soon!?
 
Like it or not, there is a huge movement of motivated people that are represented by Trump at this time. They will vote for him regardless of anything. Maybe it will be 30% of the national vote, or 40% - millions of people who will still have a populist movement going, with or without Trump. Even if he lost, he might stick around as a massive bullhorn for change. He might think that would be almost as much fun as being president.

Populist policies aside, which we all know are fluid at best with all politicians when they actually find themselves in power. I'm really not sure whose interests a billionaire son of a 2nd generation immigrant millionaire could really represent?
 
Populist policies aside, which we all know are fluid at best with all politicians when they actually find themselves in power. I'm really not sure whose interests a billionaire son of a 2nd generation immigrant millionaire could really represent?
Maybe he represents wannabe rich playboys and their enablers?
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Populist policies aside, which we all know are fluid at best with all politicians when they actually find themselves in power. I'm really not sure whose interests a billionaire son of a 2nd generation immigrant millionaire could really represent?
I think it's a fallacy to expect the President to represent anyone in particular to begin with. What did Obama do for black people in his 8 years in office for example? How well were they represented? Did Eisenhower only represent wealthy generals? Did Carter represent bible thumping peanut farmers? Did Kennedy stump for wealthy playboys? I'd rather the office of POTUS stay away from representing special interest groups and pet causes and focus on running the country instead. Let the First Lady, the states and other lesser politicians focus on the little stuff.
 
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