[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[mister dog]

It's a pleasure

 

[Aki Ko]

If you think there's any Johnson or Stein supporters out there, you're far too detached from what's being shown here. The only people upset with Trump winning are the same folks who think they can get the Electoral College to all sway to vote Hillary because of a petition; Liberals.

I liked Johnson. ;-;
Not just electoral college, but trying to do away with it all together. If Hillary were to have won, they wouldn't even be complaining at all.

By promising one thing and delivering another.

Thank you for describing a regular politician.

 

[Pupik]

It doesn't represent them, yet no one in that huge group of people thought to tell that man, "Go home ya loony"?

At what point with all this coverage of multiple incidents of repulsive acts does it begin to paint a picture of how they're acting?

Politics: the false assumption that one person equals everyone else. Substitute just about [anything/anyone] for [any other group/issue] one wishes to denigrate, and you'll have support every time.

There's also the One Asshole In The Room theory, which probably closer to reality.

 

[Dotini]

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/donald-trump-60-minutes-10-015817963.html

President-elect Donald Trump — yes, it’s still strange to say that — sat down with CBS’ 60 Minutes on Sunday to discuss what he plans to accomplish when he takes office in January. And some of his comments were nearly as surprising as his campaign’s victory.

In an in-depth conversation with 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl in Trump Tower on Friday, a noticeably subdued Trump addressed which of his campaign promises he intended to keep, his post-election conversations with Hillary Clinton and President Obama, and his reaction to the acts of racially charged violence being carried out in his name across the country.

Here, the ten most surprising revelations from Donald Trump’s 60 Minutes interview:

1. He’s already made nice with many of his opponents.

This presidential campaign was one of the most bitter we’ve ever seen, but Trump struck a conciliatory note with the candidates he battled against. He said of Hillary Clinton’s phone call to concede: “She couldn’t have been nicer. She’s a great competitor. Very strong. Very smart.” He noted that Bill Clinton and both President Bushes called to congratulate him. And he described his meeting with President Obama in cordial terms: “I found him to be terrific. I found him to be very smart and very nice. Great sense of humor.”

2. The “Wall” may be more like a fence.

Stahl asked Trump directly about his campaign promise to build a wall along the U.S./Mexico border, adding that some have said it’ll really be more like a fence. Would he accept that, she asked? “For certain areas, I would,” he responded, adding, “I’m very good at this. It’s called construction.” But he doubled down on his plan to deport millions of undocumented immigrants: “The people with criminal records, we’re getting them out of our country, or we’re going to incarcerate.” He did note, though, that some of those immigrants are “terrific people.”

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3. He’s already working with lobbyists… but he doesn’t like it.

Trump railed against the lobbyists and special-interest groups that dominate Washington during his campaign, but Stahl noted that he’s already added a number of lobbyists to his transition team. Trump copped to this, saying “I don’t like it, no,” but they’re “the only people you have down there. That’s the problem with the system. We’re gonna clean it up. They know the system right now, but we’re gonna phase that out.”

4. He wants any of his supporters attacking minorities to “stop it.”

Trump feigned ignorance when Stahl asked him about the rash of racially charged attacks on minorities since his election: “I’m very surprised to hear that. I hate to hear it.” (He added, “I think it’s a very small amount.”) What would he say to Trump supporters taunting and attacking minorities? “I say stop it. If it helps. I’ll say it right to the camera: Stop it.” He later added, “I think it’s horrible, if it’s happening.” But he cautioned: “I think it’s built up by the press.”

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5. He credits social media for his big win.

Trump is a notorious tweeter, and he intends to continue using Twitter and other social media in a “very restrained” manner as President: “It’s a great form of communication.” He sees it as a way to get his message out when he’s criticized by the mainstream media: “I have a method of fighting back.” And he thinks it was instrumental in his victory: “I think it helped me win all these races where they spent much more money than I did. I think social media has more power than the money they spent.”

6. He won’t commit to locking Hillary Clinton up.

Despite promising that he would appoint a special prosecutor to put Hillary Clinton in jail if he won, Trump’s stance has softened. “I’m gonna think about it,” he says. “I want to focus on jobs. I want to focus on health care.” He insists “she did some bad things,” but he showed sympathy for the Clintons: “I don’t want to hurt them. They’re good people.” He’ll keep us in suspense on this one, he tells Stahl: “I’ll give you a very good and definitive answer the next time we do 60 Minutes.”

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7. Even Melania thinks he goes too far sometimes.

Future First Lady Melania Trump also sat down with Stahl, and she addressed his aggressive approach on Twitter: “Sometimes it got him in trouble, but it helped a lot as well.” Did she ever tell him he crossed the line? “I did. Of course I did. Many times. Sometimes he listens, sometimes he doesn’t… I think he hears me, but he will do what he wants to do in the end.”

8. He won’t fight to overturn gay marriage.

Opposition to LGBT rights has been a part of the Republican platform for decades, but Trump signaled that he doesn’t want to continue that fight. When Stahl brought up the LGBT community, he proudly replied, “I mentioned them at the Republican national convention.” And he’s not planning to oppose gay marriage in the courts, he says: “It’s irrelevant, because it’s already settled. It’s done. I’m fine with that.”

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9. He’d be in favor of ditching the electoral college.

The electoral college system gave Trump the win (Hillary won the popular vote), and Trump, shockingly, isn’t against switching to a straight popular vote count. “I would rather see it where you went with simple votes,” he said. “You know, you got 100 million votes, someone else gets 90 million votes…” But he added, in defense of the electoral college: “There’s a reason for doing this, because it brings all the states into play. And there’s something very good about that. I do respect the system.”

10. He’ll only take a dollar per year in salary.

 

[Johnnypenso]

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/donald-trump-60-minutes-10-015817963.html

President-elect Donald Trump — yes, it’s still strange to say that — sat down with CBS’ 60 Minutes on Sunday to discuss what he plans to accomplish when he takes office in January. And some of his comments were nearly as surprising as his campaign’s victory.

In an in-depth conversation with 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl in Trump Tower on Friday, a noticeably subdued Trump addressed which of his campaign promises he intended to keep, his post-election conversations with Hillary Clinton and President Obama, and his reaction to the acts of racially charged violence being carried out in his name across the country.

Here, the ten most surprising revelations from Donald Trump’s 60 Minutes interview:

1. He’s already made nice with many of his opponents.

This presidential campaign was one of the most bitter we’ve ever seen, but Trump struck a conciliatory note with the candidates he battled against. He said of Hillary Clinton’s phone call to concede: “She couldn’t have been nicer. She’s a great competitor. Very strong. Very smart.” He noted that Bill Clinton and both President Bushes called to congratulate him. And he described his meeting with President Obama in cordial terms: “I found him to be terrific. I found him to be very smart and very nice. Great sense of humor.”

2. The “Wall” may be more like a fence.

Stahl asked Trump directly about his campaign promise to build a wall along the U.S./Mexico border, adding that some have said it’ll really be more like a fence. Would he accept that, she asked? “For certain areas, I would,” he responded, adding, “I’m very good at this. It’s called construction.” But he doubled down on his plan to deport millions of undocumented immigrants: “The people with criminal records, we’re getting them out of our country, or we’re going to incarcerate.” He did note, though, that some of those immigrants are “terrific people.”

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3. He’s already working with lobbyists… but he doesn’t like it.

Trump railed against the lobbyists and special-interest groups that dominate Washington during his campaign, but Stahl noted that he’s already added a number of lobbyists to his transition team. Trump copped to this, saying “I don’t like it, no,” but they’re “the only people you have down there. That’s the problem with the system. We’re gonna clean it up. They know the system right now, but we’re gonna phase that out.”

4. He wants any of his supporters attacking minorities to “stop it.”

Trump feigned ignorance when Stahl asked him about the rash of racially charged attacks on minorities since his election: “I’m very surprised to hear that. I hate to hear it.” (He added, “I think it’s a very small amount.”) What would he say to Trump supporters taunting and attacking minorities? “I say stop it. If it helps. I’ll say it right to the camera: Stop it.” He later added, “I think it’s horrible, if it’s happening.” But he cautioned: “I think it’s built up by the press.”

RELATEDCorey Lewandowski Resigns at CNN — Is He Headed to Trump’s White House?

5. He credits social media for his big win.

Trump is a notorious tweeter, and he intends to continue using Twitter and other social media in a “very restrained” manner as President: “It’s a great form of communication.” He sees it as a way to get his message out when he’s criticized by the mainstream media: “I have a method of fighting back.” And he thinks it was instrumental in his victory: “I think it helped me win all these races where they spent much more money than I did. I think social media has more power than the money they spent.”

6. He won’t commit to locking Hillary Clinton up.

Despite promising that he would appoint a special prosecutor to put Hillary Clinton in jail if he won, Trump’s stance has softened. “I’m gonna think about it,” he says. “I want to focus on jobs. I want to focus on health care.” He insists “she did some bad things,” but he showed sympathy for the Clintons: “I don’t want to hurt them. They’re good people.” He’ll keep us in suspense on this one, he tells Stahl: “I’ll give you a very good and definitive answer the next time we do 60 Minutes.”

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7. Even Melania thinks he goes too far sometimes.

Future First Lady Melania Trump also sat down with Stahl, and she addressed his aggressive approach on Twitter: “Sometimes it got him in trouble, but it helped a lot as well.” Did she ever tell him he crossed the line? “I did. Of course I did. Many times. Sometimes he listens, sometimes he doesn’t… I think he hears me, but he will do what he wants to do in the end.”

8. He won’t fight to overturn gay marriage.

Opposition to LGBT rights has been a part of the Republican platform for decades, but Trump signaled that he doesn’t want to continue that fight. When Stahl brought up the LGBT community, he proudly replied, “I mentioned them at the Republican national convention.” And he’s not planning to oppose gay marriage in the courts, he says: “It’s irrelevant, because it’s already settled. It’s done. I’m fine with that.”

VIDEOSRatings: Election Night Draws 71 Mil, On Par With Obama’s Historic 2008 Win

9. He’d be in favor of ditching the electoral college.

The electoral college system gave Trump the win (Hillary won the popular vote), and Trump, shockingly, isn’t against switching to a straight popular vote count. “I would rather see it where you went with simple votes,” he said. “You know, you got 100 million votes, someone else gets 90 million votes…” But he added, in defense of the electoral college: “There’s a reason for doing this, because it brings all the states into play. And there’s something very good about that. I do respect the system.”

10. He’ll only take a dollar per year in salary.

Couldn't ask for anything more at this point. He's off to a good start.

The Trump effect. Even the NYT, unabashed cheerleaders for Hillary Clinton, is rethinking their obvious bias, promising to do better in the future. I'll believe it when I see it but it's a good start.

 

[huskeR32]

In all likeness, I'm going to assume nothing was said because he was spotted in 2 different spots holding that sign.

That's still a pretty big assumption to make. He may have been asked by a hundred people to leave, wouldn't have mean that he had to.

His presence in those pictures gives zero information about how the rest of the crowd felt about him or interacted with him.

 

[DDastardly00]

Wow, 5 city blocks lined with busses in Chicago, paid for by Soros?

 

[Dotini]

Wow, 5 city blocks lined with busses in Chicago, paid for by Soros?

Maybe. But maybe Bill and Hillary want to build a new "purple" party on the ruins they have left behind?

After all, Hillary has loads of experience at color revolutions. Why waste such experience? The faster she and Soros are exiled to Qatar the better.

 

[Danoff]

Peaceful progressive anti-trump folks are burning cars and beating people for not being like them:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...anders-scream-he-voted-donald-trump/93787862/

 

[DDastardly00]

So this begs the question, if these protests are not "organic" like the MSM would have us believe, and are paid for by Moveon.org, Opensociety and other Soros owned, er.. um 'charities', then why should they be allowed to tear up cities, damage property, and commit acts of violence against police and innocent bystanders? Why aren't they going after this man for Treason or at the very least, banning his charities, oops, I mean Fronts for domestic terrorism?

Look at this, Putin straight up banned Soros in his country:

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/30/russia-bans-george-soros-charity-as-security-threat.html

Russia has banned a pro-democracy charity founded by hedge fund billionaire George Soros, saying the organization posed a threat to both state security and the Russian constitution.

 

[Dotini]

So this begs the question, if these protests are not "organic" like the MSM would have us believe, and are paid for by Moveon.org, Opensociety and other Soros owned, er.. um 'charities', then why should they be allowed to tear up cities, damage property, and commit acts of violence against police and innocent bystanders? Why aren't they going after this man for Treason or at the very least, banning his charities, oops, I mean Fronts for domestic terrorism?

Look at this, Putin straight up banned Soros in his country:

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/30/russia-bans-george-soros-charity-as-security-threat.html

Who should give hoot if it's only these liberal sanctuary cities that are taking the hits and bearing the costs of vandalism, police overtime and the like? If it escalates to murder and arson or if they start to terrorize villages and hamlets in flyover country, then it's a different question. But I do like the idea of arresting the organizers.

 

[mister dog]

 

[TenEightyOne]

The US national anthem is to be replaced with Yakety Sax, we're told. Obviously it's a joke, just in case you really weren't sure for any reason.

 

[Rage Racer]

After all, Hillary has loads of experience at color revolutions. Why waste such experience?

Y'know, if I was in US, I'd avoid using the "color revolution" term when talking about the anti-Trump protests (to avoid being sued by the offended black/hispanic/other liberals).

 

[Carbonox]

Y'know, if I was in US, I'd avoid using the "color revolution" term when talking about the anti-Trump protests (to avoid being sued by the offended black/hispanic/other liberals).

Or whites offended on behalf of blacks.

 

[Northstar]

Obviously it's a joke, just in case you really weren't sure for any reason.

The joke would have been way better if they said it was replacing "Hail to the Chief" instead of the national anthem.

 

[BobK]

Peaceful progressive anti-trump folks are burning cars and beating people for not being like them:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...anders-scream-he-voted-donald-trump/93787862/

I notice the article carefully avoids mention of ethnicities. I'm quite sure if they were reversed, it'd be prominent in the headline.

 

[McLaren]

Politics: the false assumption that one person equals everyone else. Substitute just about [anything/anyone] for [any other group/issue] one wishes to denigrate, and you'll have support every time.

There's also the One Asshole In The Room theory, which probably closer to reality.

The problem with this point is it's not just 1 asshole. It's several nationwide.

I just watched a video of protestors walking out into a highway, and someone in the back of the crowd gets hit by a car. 1 of those assholes got her reward for playing a stupid game.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I notice the article carefully avoids mention of ethnicities. I'm quite sure if they were reversed, it'd be prominent in the headline.

I mean I didn't even see the video provided when I clicked so that didn't help. I'd appreciate no matter which way the political bar swings that race would be left out. I was just as mad reading about it as I was seeing it on video, and to be honest I didn't care what race or gender played into. The simple savage caveman like idea of beating people who differ in intellect is a crime against humanity in itself. As I've said since it's started, people wont be happy until they mess with the wrong person and begin to get an investment in lead.

 

[Joey D]

Seeing Trump's interview on 60 Minutes made me dislike him less. He has a long road ahead of him and I really hope that he can do some great things because as a country we need some help.

 

[Biggles]

Have you all lost your minds? A bunch of buses lined up on a city street is evidence of a dark conspiracy?

A highly suspect looking sign is evidence of the state of mind of "liberal" protestors in general?

George Soros is some evil billionaire genius plotting ... to do what exactly? Like fictional evil Bond billionaires who fiendishly plot to ... promote democracy & progressive policies worldwide? Hungary, Soros native country is trembling on the verge of fascism - Soros is concerned about that & understands that eastern & central Europe wouldn't need too much of spark to boil over into conflict, as we've seen recently in the former Yugoslavia. And Russia is lurking in the wings ready to exploit ethnic & territorial tensions.

In general, replacing globalization & international cooperation with nationalism & protectionism seems like a terrible idea to me. It will end up being a lose/lose proposition.

As far as Trump is concerned: I don't think he believes most of the nonsense he spouted during the primaries & GE. He identified a sense of dissatisfaction in the country & cleverly & cynically exploited it for his own personal agenda, which mostly involves being a "winner". Aside from being an asshole, he is fundamentally a New Yorker with "New York values" (which he cleverly threw back in Lyin' Ted's face at a strategic moment), which are generally "liberal". And his daughter, son-in-law & other family members are also fundamentally "liberal" - I'm willing to bet that abortion, gay marriage, transgendered restrooms & other "culture wars" issues haven't figured prominently among their concerns.

What will be interesting is to see how Trump negotiates the complex territory between his own inclinations, the GOP Establishment, his alt-right supporters, the mass of voters who threw their lot in with him in response to some of the extreme statements he made during the campaign ... and practical reality.

 

[mustafur]

Trump has already stated after the election that he has no Problem with Gay marriage, but then that doesn't matter if he appoints a Pence like bigot into the court.

 

[Sanji Himura]

http://nypost.com/2016/11/14/trump-considers-mitt-romneys-niece-for-rnc-head/

This will go a long way into healing the Republican party. The niece in question is Ronna Romney McDaniel.

 

[mister dog]

Hungary, Soros native country is trembling on the verge of fascism

Because they don't want their country to be overrun by fortune seekers, and build a fence to stop the stream?
If anything other European countries should thank Orban for having taken the initiative.

The 'anti immigrant = fascist' comparison is pretty ridiculous (if that's what you're getting at).

 

[Scaff]

Because they don't want their country to be overrun by fortune seekers, and build a fence to stop the stream?
If anything other European countries should thank Orban for having taken the initiative.

The 'anti immigrant = fascist' comparison is pretty ridiculous (if that's what you're getting at).

No because of his reforms that have eroded democratic oversight of his parties actions and moves towards an illiberal political model.

 

[McLaren]

Have you all lost your minds? A bunch of buses lined up on a city street is evidence of a dark conspiracy?

A highly suspect looking sign is evidence of the state of mind of "liberal" protestors in general?

Questions others about starting conspiracies.

Calls a sign taken from multiple angles "highly suspect", i.e. fake.

 

[mister dog]

No because of his reforms that have eroded democratic oversight of his parties actions and moves towards an illiberal political model.

That doesn't immediately mean that Hungary is 'on the verge of fascism'.

 

[Scaff]

That doesn't immediately mean that Hungary is 'on the verge of fascism'.

I didn't say it was.

It is however a rather good indicator of the direction its heading, based on the historic routes countries have taken towards a fascist form of governance.

 

[BobK]

I mean I didn't even see the video provided when I clicked so that didn't help. I'd appreciate no matter which way the political bar swings that race would be left out. I was just as mad reading about it as I was seeing it on video, and to be honest I didn't care what race or gender played into. The simple savage caveman like idea of beating people who differ in intellect is a crime against humanity in itself. As I've said since it's started, people wont be happy until they mess with the wrong person and begin to get an investment in lead.

Oh,I quite agree with you. Race should not be a factor. That doesn't change the fact that had the races been reversed in this situation, the headline almost certainly would have been something along the line of "White mob beats black cop".

Have you all lost your minds? A bunch of buses lined up on a city street is evidence of a dark conspiracy?

A highly suspect looking sign is evidence of the state of mind of "liberal" protestors in general?

George Soros is some evil billionaire genius plotting ... to do what exactly? Like fictional evil Bond billionaires who fiendishly plot to ... promote democracy & progressive policies worldwide? Hungary, Soros native country is trembling on the verge of fascism - Soros is concerned about that & understands that eastern & central Europe wouldn't need too much of spark to boil over into conflict, as we've seen recently in the former Yugoslavia. And Russia is lurking in the wings ready to exploit ethnic & territorial tensions.

In general, replacing globalization & international cooperation with nationalism & protectionism seems like a terrible idea to me. It will end up being a lose/lose proposition.

As far as Trump is concerned: I don't think he believes most of the nonsense he spouted during the primaries & GE. He identified a sense of dissatisfaction in the country & cleverly & cynically exploited it for his own personal agenda, which mostly involves being a "winner". Aside from being an asshole, he is fundamentally a New Yorker with "New York values" (which he cleverly threw back in Lyin' Ted's face at a strategic moment), which are generally "liberal". And his daughter, son-in-law & other family members are also fundamentally "liberal" - I'm willing to bet that abortion, gay marriage, transgendered restrooms & other "culture wars" issues haven't figured prominently among their concerns.

What will be interesting is to see how Trump negotiates the complex territory between his own inclinations, the GOP Establishment, his alt-right supporters, the mass of voters who threw their lot in with him in response to some of the extreme statements he made during the campaign ... and practical reality.

Hillary lost. Deal with it.

What many liberals fail to realize is that people like me aren't particularly in favor of Trump. Rather your own candidate is so loathsome that the best option for keeping her out of the Oval Office was to vote for the second worst candidate.

 

[Scaff]

Hillary lost. Deal with it.

You don't get to make that decision at GT Planet.

As long as a member is posting within the AUP then they are free to post.

This thread isn't 'owned' by any one side, and as such all are free to comment and while your post doesn't explicitly state they should stop posting, it certainly comes close enough to warrant clarification.