[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[squadops]

But we educate our kids now to support various sexualities, should work no?

I'll never understand why some here think singing kumbaya is gonna get it, even if it does mention the lord.

I like biggles, quite a bit tbh, I very seldom agree with his points but I respect them all the same. He is a good gentleman.

 

[Biggles]

I like biggles, quite a bit tbh, I very seldom agree with his points but I respect them all the same. He is a good gentleman.

I appreciate the sentiment squadops ... but when things come down to the wire, it's not going to stop me from calling you a big-eared, sweaty choker with an unpleasantly blue tinge & blood coming out of your whatever.

 

[squadops]

👍

 

[FoolKiller]

So, I got an invite to attend the Libertarian Party of Kentucky's convention. It works similar to a caucus, but without the official backing of the government recognition of an official primary election event. It's up near where my brother lives and is a three-day event.

I'm really curious to go just for the experience, but it's on the same weekend as my wife's birthday. She told me to go, but it feels like a trap. I doubt I would participate in anythIng while there, just observe, which makes the risk of an angry wife less appealing.

 

[squadops]

Stick to the lady of course.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The poor options that were presented to the voters.

Then don't vote.

So, I got an invite to attend the Libertarian Party of Kentucky's convention. It works similar to a caucus, but without the official backing of the government recognition of an official primary election event. It's up near where my brother lives and is a three-day event.

I'm really curious to go just for the experience, but it's on the same weekend as my wife's birthday. She told me to go, but it feels like a trap. I doubt I would participate in anythIng while there, just observe, which makes the risk of an angry wife less appealing.

It's a trap man

 

[squadops]

I would love to see the "none of the above" Colorado tried it once lol

 

[Johnnypenso]

So, I got an invite to attend the Libertarian Party of Kentucky's convention. It works similar to a caucus, but without the official backing of the government recognition of an official primary election event. It's up near where my brother lives and is a three-day event.

I'm really curious to go just for the experience, but it's on the same weekend as my wife's birthday. She told me to go, but it feels like a trap. I doubt I would participate in anythIng while there, just observe, which makes the risk of an angry wife less appealing.

It's a test. Don't go

 

[Omnis]

So, I got an invite to attend the Libertarian Party of Kentucky's convention. It works similar to a caucus, but without the official backing of the government recognition of an official primary election event. It's up near where my brother lives and is a three-day event.

I'm really curious to go just for the experience, but it's on the same weekend as my wife's birthday. She told me to go, but it feels like a trap. I doubt I would participate in anythIng while there, just observe, which makes the risk of an angry wife less appealing.

The LP is a ****ing joke, man. Half of the people there will be left-lib anarchocommunists, the other half will be fake libertarians with inconsistent principles and shaky intellectual foundations. Three quarters will be completely whacked out, and 5/8ths will be time-wasting losers.

Now, will there be punch and pie?

 

[squadops]

Only need the punch.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The LP is a ****ing joke, man. Half of the people there will be left-lib anarchocommunists, the other half will be fake libertarians with inconsistent principles and shaky intellectual foundations. Three quarters will be completely whacked out, and 5/8ths will be time-wasting losers.

Now, will there be punch and pie?

Can a Libertarian actually eat pie without analyzing it for so long it becomes mouldy?

Source

 

[Biggles]

The LP is a ****ing joke, man. Half of the people there will be left-lib anarchocommunists, the other half will be fake libertarians with inconsistent principles and shaky intellectual foundations. Three quarters will be completely whacked out, and 5/8ths will be time-wasting losers.

Now, will there be punch and pie?

You mean nobody else measures up to your own exalted standards of intellectual consistency & doctrinal purity? It must be difficult to be so ... right!

 

[Tornado]

It sure is.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Viewed from a (great) distance (so maybe totally out of focus), Trump looks a lot like the USA's version of a Hugo Chavez character. Mildly bemusing but's that what you get when the system in place becomes disconnected with the people they're supposed to serve. When that happens, anything goes. Even a guy like Trump.

 

[squadops]

Spot on, and it's not the first time either 👍

It's looking more and more like Hillary we shall have

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Viewed from a (great) distance (so maybe totally out of focus), Trump looks a lot like the USA's version of a Hugo Chavez character. Mildly bemusing but's that what you get when the system in place becomes disconnected with the people they're supposed to serve. When that happens, anything goes. Even a guy like Trump.

That's not exactly the issue, if it was then these people wouldn't get so much support. It's an issue for sure, but I'd say there is far more to it. The main issue is always going to be money out weighing the actual democratic process at work or never getting used in the first place really.

 

[squadops]

Comes time for the curtain to be drawn, you don't think hedgehog head is gonna get a nod do you? He reminds me of Ross Parot.

Sure, the people raise a bit of a stink once in a while but that is all it is imo.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Comes time for the curtain to be drawn, you don't think hedgehog head is gonna get a nod do you? He reminds me of Ross Parot.

Sure, the people raise a bit of a stink once in a while but that is all it is imo.

Perot, unless that's a 90s joke I wasn't aware of on his name. Perot only got so far cause there were no super pacs, corps didn't pay out the bung like they do now ( I mean they still paid but it's different now than it was then). And so a Billionaire Independent with idealizations of becoming president could afford to run.

 

[Crash]

Which, funnily enough, is the whole point in having a Secretary of State; someone to whom you entrust foreign affairs.

"The President" is only supposed to be the first amongst equals, "presiding" over meetings of the cabinet, but I'm not sure exactly where it deviated from that and became perceived as an outright executive role.

That's incorrect. The President in the US has always been the outright Executive, with power as vested by Article II of the Constitution, except for areas where authority is vested in the legislative or judicial branch.

Cabinet members have always merely been those who are "principal officers" of the various executive departments, there to provide advice when asked by the President.

 

[Omnis]

You mean nobody else measures up to your own exalted standards of intellectual consistency & doctrinal purity? It must be difficult to be so ... right!

Wow, you must be so fun at parties.

 

[squadops]

no me

 

[A2K78]

There's this thing called "separation of church and state", which the USA's constitution tries to uphold.

First is no such thing as a separation of church of state written in the constitution. Secondly, the free exercise clause is more about keeping the federal government from meddling in the way one chooses to worship.

@Biggles

Wait, you actually believe the GOP are about reducing taxes and regulations? Sure the GOP is about reducing taxes and regulation however it only when it suits their favored interest. That said, like democrats the GOP love taxes and regulations.

 

[squadops]

If you really want to know about it, just read some Madison 👍

• 
  Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contrary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform

etc

It is not ok to say a man is not fit to hold office because he has a conscience in the U.S. not yet anyway

 

[Johnnypenso]

Ah the good old days...in some cases it really was the good old days

 

[squadops]

I've always liked Reagan maybe more than most, he was pragmatic, however, if you have seen the trouble illegal immigration causes as I have you might have a different take.

 

[TenEightyOne]

First is no such thing as a separation of church of state written in the constitution

Then isn't it odd that the Constitution disagrees with you? And Jefferson? And the Supreme Court?

 

[Liquid]

That's incorrect. The President in the US has always been the outright Executive, with power as vested by Article II of the Constitution, except for areas where authority is vested in the legislative or judicial branch.

Cabinet members have always merely been those who are "principal officers" of the various executive departments, there to provide advice when asked by the President.

I stand corrected. If only we had, let's say, a senior judicial authority who was a constitutionalist so these things were never muddled up...

 

[squadops]

Then isn't it odd that the Constitution disagrees with you? And Jefferson? And the Supreme Court?

Erm, not sure what makes you say that, he had it right.

Google is pretty easy, for instance... http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=123

 

[Sanji Himura]

Here is Madison on the First Amendment. He actually proposed this as a portion of the first amendment:

The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established.

Source: 1 The Debates and Proceedings in the Congress of the United States 451, 1st Cong., 1st Sess. (Washington, D. C.: Gales & Seaton 1834) (June 8, 1789).

The failure to rely on Founders other than Madison seems to imply that no other Founders were qualified to address First Amendment issues or that there exists no pertinent recorded statements from the other Founders. Both implications are wrong: numerous Founders played pivotal roles; and thousands of their writings do exist.

However, if critics of public religious expression believe that only a Virginian may speak for the nation on the issue of religion (they usually cite either Madison or Jefferson), then why not George Mason, the "Father of the Bill of Rights"? Or Richard Henry Lee who not only framed Virginia's proposals but who also was a Member of the first federal Congress where he helped frame the Bill of Rights? Or why not George Washington? Perhaps the reason that these other Virginians are ignored (as are most of the other Framers) is because both their words and actions unequivocally contradict the image portrayed by the one-sided picture of Madison given by those who cite only his "Detached Memoranda."

www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=105

 

[squadops]

Madison and Jefferson, what else is there to say?

The truth is, we as free Americans, have the right to practice any religion we wish, and if we are dumb enough to get involved in politics well, we have that right as well.