[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?

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R1600Turbo
The Vice Chair of the DNC has resigned so she can support Sanders.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20160228
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As much as I don't like Sanders, I'm glad this move happened. For a couple reasons, one the DNC is as bad if not worse than the RNC, the collective established platitudes they give each other is asinine, and when a single member wants to make the entire collective fair and balanced they get blocked. The other reason I like this is cause I can't stand Wasserman Schultz, moron wouldn't begin to describe the way her ethics and power trip she's been on since becoming chair have further destroyed the democratic process for one side of the aisle.
 
TenEightyOne
Interesting article. One query I have; what do American voters understand "self-funded" to mean? We read a lot that Trump is self-propelled and self-funded... it doesn't seem to actually be the case though.
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I think that it mostly means that he doesn't accept campaign donations. However, you are right that we did prove that he is indeed accepting donations, but that money is going to his SuperPAC, which isn't as financially accountable to the Federal Elections Commission as a presidential campaign.
 
TenEightyOne
Interesting article. One query I have; what do American voters understand "self-funded" to mean? We read a lot that Trump is self-propelled and self-funded... it doesn't seem to actually be the case though.
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Trump does not solicit but does not turn away small donations. Here is what we know:
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?id=N00023864

He does not appear to have received very much compared compared to the well-heeled campaigns of Bush, Rubio, et al.
The media falls all over itself giving him free publicity due to the ratings bonanza which accrue to them from his reality TV stardom. The others must pay millions for a fraction of the publicity.
 
Dotini
Trump does not solicit but does not turn away small donations...

He does not appear to have received very much compared compared to the well-heeled campaigns of Bush, Rubio, et al.
The media falls all over itself giving him free publicity due to the ratings bonanza which accrue to them from his reality TV stardom. The others must pay millions for a fraction of the publicity.
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Perhaps so... but I guess that being self-funded is like being dead, you either are or you aren't :)
 
On the other side of the pond, I've been following the US Presidential candidate race with both amusement and bemusement.

At the beginning, I thought Trump running was some sort of publicity stunt. Now seems to be the front runner for the Republicans.

My initial reaction to this was internal hilarious laughter - his policies seem to be no more than unrealistic soap box politics, designed to appeal to concerns of the uneducated masses.

Giving it more thought, I wonder what could actually happen if he is elected.

All the (European) people I've discussed this with share a similar opinion... Does he actually stand any chance of getting elected? Do the American population know how he's seen Internationally? Do they care?

Is Trump the best the Republicans (and America, should he be elected) can find?
 
Stotty
On the other side of the pond, I've been following the US Presidential candidate race with both amusement and bemusement.

At the beginning, I thought Trump running was some sort of publicity stunt. Now seems to be the front runner for the Republicans.

My initial reaction to this was internal hilarious laughter - his policies seem to be no more than unrealistic soap box politics, designed to appeal to concerns of the uneducated masses.

Giving it more thought, I wonder what could actually happen if he is elected.

All the (European) people I've discussed this with share a similar opinion... Does he actually stand any chance of getting elected? Do the American population know how he's seen Internationally? Do they care?

Is Trump the best the Republicans (and America, should he be elected) can find?
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Tomorrow night - "Super Tuesday" - we will know a whole lot more. Stand by.

Edit: Here is the serious dirt on Rubio:
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/marco-rubio-the-neocon-man-15348
 
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Stotty
On the other side of the pond, I've been following the US Presidential candidate race with both amusement and bemusement.

At the beginning, I thought Trump running was some sort of publicity stunt. Now seems to be the front runner for the Republicans.

My initial reaction to this was internal hilarious laughter - his policies seem to be no more than unrealistic soap box politics, designed to appeal to concerns of the uneducated masses.

Giving it more thought, I wonder what could actually happen if he is elected.

All the (European) people I've discussed this with share a similar opinion... Does he actually stand any chance of getting elected? Do the American population know how he's seen Internationally? Do they care?

Is Trump the best the Republicans (and America, should he be elected) can find?
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The Trump phenomenon is an indication of how different US politics is from a parliamentary system. I see it as a confirmation of the basic principle that in life, timing is everything. I think that the grass roots discontent of Tea Party Republicans combined with a very crowded initial field left a space that Trump was able to step into. The other candidates played footsie with Trump for too long - it feels like it's too late to stop him now. Jeb Bush was this year's Mitt Romney, & this time around the GOP establishment hasn't been able to maneuver their candidate into position.

As for how he would actually govern - I'm expecting a cabinet position for Dotini, so he should be able fill us in... :cheers:
 
Biggles
The Trump phenomenon is an indication of how different US politics is from a parliamentary system. I see it as a confirmation of the basic principle that in life, timing is everything.
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That's the secret of a good joke...

...timing.

Biggles
As for how he would actually govern - I'm expecting a cabinet position for Dotini, so he should be able fill us in... :cheers:
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Seconded :D

Overall I can see the Republicans feeling that they have no choice other than to waft the Trump up to the top of their selection list. It will be interesting to see how he fares in that case, I suspect that Quiet America will make for the polling booths in a sensible, orderly mass.
 
Biggles
As for how he would actually govern - I'm expecting a cabinet position for Dotini, so he should be able fill us in... :cheers:
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TenEightyOne
Seconded :D
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Very funny. :D

I'm afraid Mr. Trump hasn't the slightest idea of how to govern. I'm thinking much of what he has said so far is BS intended for election purposes. He is going to need an experienced cabinet, sound advice and much personal study, should he actually be elected.

The only indications I get that I think are rock-solid are his instinctive internally-focused nationalism and populism. The upside to this are fewer wars of choice and a crackdown on corruption. The downside may be a tendency to protectionism. I'm expecting him to govern as a social liberal, a fiscal conservative and a foreign policy dove.
 
Dotini
The only indications I get that I think are rock-solid are his instinctive internally-focused nationalism and populism. The upside to this are fewer wars of choice and a crackdown on corruption. The downside may be a tendency to protectionism. I'm expecting him to govern as a social liberal, a fiscal conservative and a foreign policy dove.
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I really don't see this. Yes, I think his instincts are probably socially liberal, he is a New Yorker after all, but I don't see him as a "foreign policy dove". He's an egotistical narcissist, on a level I've rarely observed on the national scene ... perhaps Kanye West? When ISIS, or Assad, or Putin, or Iranian ayatollahs or Kim Jong-un or whoever, challenges the US, challenges President Trump, he's likely to take it personally. With the US military at his disposal, I don't see him stepping back from a military response. As I've remarked previously, every US President has been drawn into foreign interventions, even, like Obama, against their own inclinations. I would trust Trump less than almost any other candidate to react in a thoughtful measured way.
 
Biggles
I really don't see this. Yes, I think his instincts are probably socially liberal, he is a New Yorker after all, but I don't see him as a "foreign policy dove". He's an egotistical narcissist, on a level I've rarely observed on the national scene ... perhaps Kanye West? When ISIS, or Assad, or Putin, or Iranian ayatollahs or Kim Jong-un or whoever, challenges the US, challenges President Trump, he's likely to take it personally. With the US military at his disposal, I don't see him stepping back from a military response. As I've remarked previously, every US President has been drawn into foreign interventions, even, like Obama, against their own inclinations. I would trust Trump less than almost any other candidate to react in a thoughtful measured way.
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On the other hand his entire life has been spent putting together and rebuilding financial empires through negotiation, wheeling and dealing, making comprimises, working with people from a broad political and cultural sprectrum and enriching the pocketbooks of others along with himself.
 
Johnnypenso
On the other hand his entire life has been spent putting together and rebuilding financial empires through negotiation, wheeling and dealing, making comprimises, working with people from a broad political and cultural sprectrum and enriching the pocketbooks of others along with himself.
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Not sure how accurate this is, but...

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Johnnypenso
enriching the pocketbooks of others along with himself.
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Just a shame he hasn't appeared to do terribly well on that bit.

The National Journal writer, S.V. Dáte, figured Trump started with $40 million in 1974. That’s the year he became president of his father’s real estate company. By one estimate, the firm was worth about $200 million and divided among Donald Trump and his four siblings, each would have received $40 million.

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We used $40 million as the starting point for 1974. Honghui Chen, associate professor of finance at the University of Central Florida, told us the account would have grown to $3.94 billion by November 2015 if the money had followed the S&P 500 index and all dividends had been reinvested.

This is a rough calculation that ignores taxes owed on dividends, but it’s on the same scale as what the National Journal reported.

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There is a huge debate over Trump’s current net worth. Estimates from outsiders, such as Bloomberg and Forbes, range from about $3 billion to about $4 billion. Trump says he has closer to $9 billion.
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R1600Turbo
Not sure how accurate this is, but...

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How accurate what is? I didn't say he never failed, I said "putting together and rebuilding". Steve Jobs also failed. Henry Ford went bankrupt twice before Ford took off. It's not whether you fail or not it's whether you get back up and keep fighting. Remind us again how many businesses Bernie Sanders has built, how many jobs he's created in the private sector with his own money etc.?
 
So creating your own business is now a requirement for presidency?

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with your own funds?
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Without not being inherited?
 
Chrunch Houston
NASCAR endorses Trump.
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Not surprising.
Johnnypenso
How accurate what is? I didn't say he never failed, I said "putting together and rebuilding". Steve Jobs also failed. Henry Ford went bankrupt twice before Ford took off. It's not whether you fail or not it's whether you get back up and keep fighting. Remind us again how many businesses Bernie Sanders has built, how many jobs he's created in the private sector with his own money etc.?
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You just made it sound like he's never failed, and that reminded me of that photo which I had seen the other day.

Just sayin'.
 
Johnnypenso
You do realize that the last line of the article you quoted was,
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That refers specifically to the claim in the Occupy Democrats image, which asserts Trump would be worth $8 billion if he'd done nothing - rated false because it assumes Trump's $200 million worth in 1982 was down to his dad, even though he'd been running the company for 8 years already. That's why I only quoted the bit about the estimate of his 1974 "inheritance", and how that compares to his worth today (not very well if you believe Bloomberg/Forbes).
 
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