Poll: Would you be happy with current standard cars in a PS4 Gran Turismo game?

[Haitauer]

[quote="Samus, post: 9740765, member: 160838"
Every minute that PD spend doing something with the PS2 models is wasted time, because they have to go eventually.[/quote]

As a companys poit of view, I think the people fixing jaggies on stds are not part of the same resourse making the premiums. They can easily trow the task of cleaning to few trainees who get good training while the "A-team" can concentrate on premium tasks.

Just a theory though..

 

[Samus]

It doesn't matter who it is, time spent on PS2 assets is wasted time during development of a PS4 game and beyond.

 

[Johnnypenso]

More of what PD will be up against in the next-gen console wars. For those of you unaware, T10 has laser scanned the full Nurburgring and it is absolutely stunning. PD really has their work cut out for them. If this doesn't convince you of just how high the bar is set for cars and tracks in the next gen then nothing will. It's not great quality video, but you can see the detail they put into the track and it's awesome.

Gamersyde has a full 1080p/60fps direct download if you want to see what PD is up against with GT7.

 

[grrlpurple]

More of what PD will be up against in the next-gen console wars. For those of you unaware, T10 has laser scanned the full Nurburgring and it is absolutely stunning...

Agreed... looks pretty sweet but IMO PD could have upped the ante on the current generation of consoles. Simply rendering the bumps and undulations in the track to a higher resolution and dirtying up some of their over-clean trackside textures would go a long way already. It has always struck me in GT games that the trackside furniture is far too clean, shiny and plastic-like. I do hope they rise to the challenge for a next-gen title though.

 

[fresh11]

If gt7 has standard car I woundn't buy it I hated standard cars in gt6 what is the point of updating standard cars when u cau just make them all premium

 

[ColouredBadger]

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[Tenacious D]

The problem with this 'optional install, everyone wins' idea is that everyone certainly does not win. Those that don't want standard cars don't win, because they will have to see them online

Oh, the horror... the horror. I'm sorry, but I just can't take this silly level of disdain seriously.

and they might miss out on one or two more detailed models because PD had their modelers spend more time polishing turds. Every minute that PD spend doing something with the PS2 models is wasted time, because they have to go eventually. People who don't want standards in a PS4 game (the majority) do not want PD wasting dev time on PS2 models, and they would have to if they were going to be included as an optional install. Which by the way, would have to be the worst optional add on in video game history. "As an extra bonus you have the option of adding PS2 quality visuals into a PS4 game. FREE!" Gee, thanks.

Well, PD are gonna do what they're gonna do. But I'm really tired of being considered a "poop lover" by some of you people here. At least we aren't fibbing about the quality of sounds in the game.

Now as many speculate, maybe Prologue will be GT6 ported and improved. Maybe this will drive the Standard haters into Drive Club, Project CARS and other games, which should bring a semblance of peace and reason to this nutty place. Or maybe people will just ignore them and enjoy the good parts of it. And if this is true, and then PD does drop the Standard cars - gee, what about those tracks? - in GT7, we can still enjoy our utter wealth of cars to drive on all those tracks. While I don't know how ideal this situation would be, at least it would give us both something of what we want. Unlike you guys with the "It's our way or to hell with you" attitude.

 

[05XR8]

No. Even if we lose the Ruf cars.

 

[Gerarghini]

Oh, the horror... the horror. I'm sorry, but I just can't take this silly level of disdain seriously.


Well, PD are gonna do what they're gonna do. But I'm really tired of being considered a "poop lover" by some of you people here. At least we aren't fibbing about the quality of sounds in the game.

Now as many speculate, maybe Prologue will be GT6 ported and improved. Maybe this will drive the Standard haters into Drive Club, Project CARS and other games, which should bring a semblance of peace and reason to this nutty place. Or maybe people will just ignore them and enjoy the good parts of it. And if this is true, and then PD does drop the Standard cars - gee, what about those tracks? - in GT7, we can still enjoy our utter wealth of cars to drive on all those tracks. While I don't know how ideal this situation would be, at least it would give us both something of what we want. Unlike you guys with the "It's our way or to hell with you" attitude.

Too bad it's 2014 and this type of stuff shouldn't be in a next-gen game. It's not a matter of "It's our way or to hell with you," but rather the idea of moving forward. Standard cars and tracks have NO place here, it's 2014, not 2001. Either improve their quality to premium levels or drop them, it's as simple as that. You don't see Forza or PCARS or even Grid giving you an option of "optional install of "standard" assets" because sacrifices have to be made.

I don't complain that a certain car I liked in Forza 4 isn't in 5 because seeing the difference in quality really kills the whole point of a nice looking game. What's the point of gorgeous premium models and tracks if they're ruined by large jaggies from standard cars and tracks.

 

[Samus]

Oh, the horror... the horror. I'm sorry, but I just can't take this silly level of disdain seriously.


Well, PD are gonna do what they're gonna do. But I'm really tired of being considered a "poop lover" by some of you people here. At least we aren't fibbing about the quality of sounds in the game.

Now as many speculate, maybe Prologue will be GT6 ported and improved. Maybe this will drive the Standard haters into Drive Club, Project CARS and other games, which should bring a semblance of peace and reason to this nutty place. Or maybe people will just ignore them and enjoy the good parts of it. And if this is true, and then PD does drop the Standard cars - gee, what about those tracks? - in GT7, we can still enjoy our utter wealth of cars to drive on all those tracks. While I don't know how ideal this situation would be, at least it would give us both something of what we want. Unlike you guys with the "It's our way or to hell with you" attitude.

Why do you seem to care more about this place than the game itself? You essentially say you'll be happy if GT7 has standards and the people that don't like it play other games, you won't care if sales drop and reviews are poor, so long as you are happy and this place is quite its all good.

You can come up with fictional insults alll you like, the fact is you are part of a small minority that wants technically inferior content in the next game. Those of us against it do not have a "silly level of disdain" as you put it, we simply want PD to take a logical approach to game design. It really isn't as crazy as you think for people to want their brand new $400 console to have consistent visuals to the level they were shown that convinced them to buy it. I wouldn't expect a 2014 Blu-Ray movie to be 40% 1080p stunning picture quality and 60% DVD quality, even if that quality is accectable.

I don't know why a game with consistent quality visuals throughout is such an alien concept to you.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

I voted no to the poll question, but the more I think about it and the more I learn, I think I regret my vote.

Many of the so-called semi-premium cars would be just fine with me in GT7(and samus I agree with you now - this wont be a PS3 game).

I don't give a rip about photo mode or car interiors. Talk about a huge waste of the modeler's time.

Give me a car that looks good from five feet away and I am happy. I do not need to be able to read the manufacturer's marks on the brake calipers or headlights, but I do want to make out the door handles, and side mirrors.

 

[05XR8]

I have to go back to TOCA. The original. It has interiors on all cars. Yes 32 bit graphics and all. The detail was enough and the sense of driving those cars was and still sticks in my mind. I dont get that with the black interiors. I use over the bonnet view when I realy want to hit that apex on certain circuits. Overall, the interior view makes me feel like the Super touring cars when Im just on the bumper of the car ahead or when I two-wheel it over a curb.

Even if PD added a generic 3-spoke suede racing wheel with yellow stripe. Authentic gauges from each car (like the Porsche gauges for the Ruf cars). And with all those MX5s, I still cant see why, the interiors are modelled for 2 cars, they cant put them all in the rest.

 

[Tenacious D]

Why do you seem to care more about this place than the game itself? You essentially say you'll be happy if GT7 has standards and the people that don't like it play other games, you won't care if sales drop and reviews are poor, so long as you are happy and this place is quite its all good.

You can come up with fictional insults alll you like, the fact is you are part of a small minority that wants technically inferior content in the next game. Those of us against it do not have a "silly level of disdain" as you put it, we simply want PD to take a logical approach to game design. It really isn't as crazy as you think for people to want their brand new $400 console to have consistent visuals to the level they were shown that convinced them to buy it. I wouldn't expect a 2014 Blu-Ray movie to be 40% 1080p stunning picture quality and 60% DVD quality, even if that quality is accectable.

I don't know why a game with consistent quality visuals throughout is such an alien concept to you.

I think I've explained my position quite well, and have a quote for you in that other post. In any case, if Prologue on PS4 ends up being GT6 ported with a few goodies, I'll be happy as a lark and won't give two figs what you guys feel. And you can fabricate dire sales figures all you want, but Gran Turismo on a next gen console will be a whole new ball game.

In any case, forgive me for daring to not follow the herd and have my own opinion on the subject.

 

[Samus]

I think I've explained my position quite well, and have a quote for you in that other post. In any case, if Prologue on PS4 ends up being GT6 ported with a few goodies, I'll be happy as a lark and won't give two figs what you guys feel. And you can fabricate dire sales figures all you want, but Gran Turismo on a next gen console will be a whole new ball game.

In any case, forgive me for daring to not follow the herd and have my own opinion on the subject.

I have no problem with you having a differing opinion, what I have a problem with is you failing to accept that people want consistent quality in a game. Again, it's not a "silly level of disdain" and I'm sorry if you can't understand this simple concept.

 

[GBO Possum]

Why do you seem to care more about this place than the game itself? <snip>

This is funny coming from @Samus who professes to not play GT6 anymore yet posts prolifically in these forums!

From the 1.07 thread:-

Well no, as soon as I read offline was no improvement over GT5 it was a no buy for me but yeah, got it as a gift. Gave it a try, did a few events and gave some other things a try, put it down after that.

Oh and the bolded words below are unpleasantly condescending

I have no problem with you having a differing opinion, what I have a problem with is you failing to accept that people want consistent quality in a game. Again, it's not a "silly level of disdain" and I'm sorry if you can't understand this simple concept.

I don't know why a game with consistent quality visuals throughout is such an alien concept to you.

 

[Samus]

This is funny coming from @Samus who professes to not play GT6 anymore yet posts prolifically in these forums!

From the 1.07 thread:-

First of all I still play it occasionally, like the Senna events and the GTA events, but I don't play it regularly. Secondly when I spoke of caring for the game itself I meant as a complete entity, not GT6 specifically.

 

[GTGranpa]

Voted NO, obviously. I do care a LOT about the looks of the cars and the large majority of the Standard cars in GT6 is PS2 quality, not PS3, LET ALONE PS4 !

 

[Blood*Specter]

I would like to see all premeum cars. However, I do love my Mazda RX7 Bathurst Edition as well as some of the Group C cars that did not get converted. We've seen that PD is able to convert the cars. So it would be a shame to lose so many models because PD wont re-do them. I can live with standard, but I feel the next gen cars should all be updated to next gen specs.

 

[Tenacious D]

I have no problem with you having a differing opinion, what I have a problem with is you failing to accept that people want consistent quality in a game. Again, it's not a "silly level of disdain" and I'm sorry if you can't understand this simple concept.

And I'm quite puzzled as to why you think even having the option to install Standard content on people's very own PS4s is unthinkable to you. To me, this seems extremely hardline and brutish.

But as we both have said at different times, PD will do something, and we can like it and enjoy the game or grouse ourselves into ulcers over it. Though I have to reiterate that it seems that whatever happens in Prologue or GT7, one side is going to be much easier to live with...

 

[GBO Possum]

First of all I still play it occasionally, like the Senna events and the GTA events, but I don't play it regularly. Secondly when I spoke of caring for the game itself I meant as a complete entity, not GT6 specifically.

So what's the game itself "as a complete entity" if it's not GT6? Is it all GT games? Does that mean you are playing a previous GT game regularly, but not GT6?

And what about your comments to @Tenacious D which I was hearing as being condescending? Maybe an apology would be in order? Or an explanation if you can't bring yourself to apologize.

 

[Tenacious D]

Nah, that's fine. We spar and jab, but at the end of the day it's really all about making Gran Turismo a better game. I know I'm as guilty as a little kid sometimes letting things get to me, but I try and make peace with the boards afterwards, and Samus does his part to move along.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I don't give a rip about photo mode or car interiors. Talk about a huge waste of the modeler's time.

Okay.

This is the right game for you then.

 

[Doodle]

After some time for thinking, I think my vote of yes was a bad choice.

I'm the kind of person that doesn't ask for much and it's why I've never minded standard cars in GT5/6, no matter how ridiculous it was. I've now been able to open my eyes and put my PD bias besides me and see the gaming world around me. I would love to see PD have all the cars become premium for the next game, but I don't think it will be possible to convert all those models into premium cars. So maybe what I suggest is to have 500 cars in GT7 at the most, all of them premium. If PD decides to put a standard or two in the game, would I still buy the game? Of course I would, but I wouldn't be as happy with the final product as I would if all of the cars were premium.

 

[05XR8]

I dont know about game programming. There must be a way that when a car is selected, the interior view should come up. Like the standard cars that have Premium "sister" models. Again, the MX5 has two premium interiors:the all black interior and the wood steering wheel and shifter interior. If I were to select a standard MX5 and then select interior view, why cant I get the premium interior via a code? I mean, if I watch a replay of that standard car, I wouldnt see a detailed interior close up. I wouldnt mind that. But, why cant that car that has 20 of the same models, have a detailed interior when I select it on the track?

Same can go for the Skylines, RX-7s, 300ZXs, the Mustang GT, Mustang GT350R. Any reason why this cant be so?

 

[GBO Possum]

I dont know about game programming. There must be a way that when a car is selected, the interior view should come up. Like the standard cars that have Premium "sister" models. Again, the MX5 has two premium interiors:the all black interior and the wood steering wheel and shifter interior. If I were to select a standard MX5 and then select interior view, why cant I get the premium interior via a code? I mean, if I watch a replay of that standard car, I wouldnt see a detailed interior close up. I wouldnt mind that. But, why cant that car that has 20 of the same models, have a detailed interior when I select it on the track?

Same can go for the Skylines, RX-7s, 300ZXs, the Mustang GT, Mustang GT350R. Any reason why this cant be so?

There has to be an actual mapping of the interior in order for it to be displayed.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Maybe this will drive the Standard haters into Drive Club, Project CARS and other games, which should bring a semblance of peace and reason to this nutty place.

Wait, so you're insistent that folks that don't want PS2-quality cars in a PS4 game - you know, the vast majority of the people who've so far answered the poll - are lacking in reason? That they're less reasonable than you?



That also ignores the whole idea that you don't mind the idea of PD losing sales because of a hypothetical game design move that no other company would ever consider (porting assets across two entire generations). A move that already has a whole heap of (justified) criticism on this generation, and considering the relatively dismal sales of GT6 versus the rest of the series, it's not just the critics that are cooling off for GT. None of us want to see the series disappear - PD needs an absolute hit on PS4, and recycling 15 year old assets isn't that.

Or maybe people will just ignore them and enjoy the good parts of it.

Another crazy concept; PD releasing a game that doesn't have sub-par portions that need to be ignored. You know, like they did more than admirably in the PS2 days.

Unlike you guys with the "It's our way or to hell with you" attitude.

Irony.

This is funny coming from @Samus who professes to not play GT6 anymore yet posts prolifically in these forums!

Other than the Senna events and GTAcademy, I can count the number of times I've played GT6 in 2014 on one hand. Does that mean I shouldn't be able to post in this section either?

I like the series - I don't like where it's been heading the past two games.

I dont know about game programming. There must be a way that when a car is selected, the interior view should come up. Like the standard cars that have Premium "sister" models. Again, the MX5 has two premium interiors:the all black interior and the wood steering wheel and shifter interior. If I were to select a standard MX5 and then select interior view, why cant I get the premium interior via a code? I mean, if I watch a replay of that standard car, I wouldnt see a detailed interior close up. I wouldnt mind that. But, why cant that car that has 20 of the same models, have a detailed interior when I select it on the track?

Same can go for the Skylines, RX-7s, 300ZXs, the Mustang GT, Mustang GT350R. Any reason why this cant be so?

Well, there's a few issues. For one, to be truly accurate, PD would have to model the small variations in the interior in the case of say, the MX-5's. Different wheels, different trim, different side for the driver, etc etc.

The other issue, probably a more pressing one; they need to stop making up models. Can't really model an interior for a car that doesn't exist - well, at least, you can't and then claim any sort of ties to reality, I suppose.

 

[kolio]

I voted no, a large amount of these cars are close to the exact same. Miatas, Skylines, you know what I mean.

I would rather take those cars out of the game and actually have son premiums along with other promised features!

 

[Johnnypenso]

PD is going to continue modelling cars says Captain Obvious, so if I was PD I would create a website with a giant poll and allow anyone and everyone to log in and vote once for their favourite 10/20/30 standard cars, whatever the number may be, have a limited time vote, and then model the winners [if available] as premiums and be done with it. Maybe give out some prizes to those that pick the exact cars actually chosen or get closest to it.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

PD is going to continue modelling cars says Captain Obvious, so if I was PD I would create a website with a giant poll and allow anyone and everyone to log in and vote once for their favourite 10/20/30 standard cars, whatever the number may be, have a limited time vote, and then model the winners [if available] as premiums and be done with it. Maybe give out some prizes to those that pick the exact cars actually chosen or get closest to it.

I'd be incredibly surprised if PD didn't already keep track of Standard usage through GT6's online play (or even the offline career stats).

 

[Gerarghini]

I'd be incredibly surprised if PD didn't already keep track of Standard usage through GT6's online play (or even the offline career stats).

Well, they did say that "standards" and "premiums" don't exist and are one functionally identical.