POLL: Would you like to be able to create your own A-Spec Races

[MrGrado]

GT5 could have been made better with better events but making your own events is a stupid idea.

Care to explain why?
Do you also consider the map editors and mission editors available in other games also stupid?

Well if I could make my own A spec event I would make a 1 lap race on autumn mini with no entry restrictions, slow AI opponents, 20 000 000 creds for a win and 100 000 000 xp for a win.

I wouldn't find a homemade event the slightest bit interesting either. I simply want to play a good game. I don't want to play a bad game then spend hours or days making it better and I especially don't want to download some low quality, random event that some random made.

And yes, I consider most map/level/game editors to be stupid too.

 

[Tornado]

The nonexistent possibility that PD would set it up so that it could be abused in such a way is not a valid reason to toss out the entire idea.

 

[MasterSquidP4]

How it'd work:
- Create Championship
- Select Tracks (15 Max)
- Select Opponent Vehicles (Choose from list of standard or premium cars, or your garage)
- Choose Difficulty (Easy, Medium, Hard, Simulation)
- Choose Laps for each race
- Prize Amount (0 - 100,000 Cr.)
- Share With Friends?
- Race

 

[Jar31Lar]

Do we get credits?

 

[Akwaaba]

Well if I could make my own A spec event I would make a 1 lap race on autumn mini with no entry restrictions, slow AI opponents, 20 000 000 creds for a win and 100 000 000 xp for a win.

Do you really expect that would be allowed within an event creator tool? No where in this thread have I seen a suggestion like this, can online users make up the XP and credits like this? It is far more likely that the creator would have no control over the payout - it being based on a calculation based on the expected variables of starting position, competitors, race length etc

And yes, I consider most map/level/game editors to be stupid too.

Not being a gamer, I don't have so much experience - however in the few games I have played, I have encountered more good editors than bad. Just to label them as stupid - without explanation, doesn't give much authority to your arguement.

I much prefer my sons to use an editor to create a mission/event than just playing one devised by someone else. Even perfectly well made games benefit from having more levels or missions, expanding the interest of the game, and allowing the user a far greater creative input.

Years ago, I hosted a gaming club for teenagers, whilst a number of the maps created were no-where near the quality of those produced by the game developers - the enjoyment and interest increased as they played each others creations.

 

[bgFish]

I'd love to have an event generator that lets us use the arcade mode's difficulty setting. It'd be nice to have a one-make race with some of the cars that really beg for it like the Integra and VW Golf RMs and the Miata touring car. It's a little off-putting when you do an arcade race at the most difficult setting and there's always one or two cars that just pull right away from the field and end up 20 seconds ahead at the finish while you fight it out with the rest of the field.

Also, championship series would probably have to be limited to 5 events, as the UCD will completely refresh itself during those 5 game days.

 

[Akwaaba]

I'd love to have an event generator that lets us use the arcade mode's difficulty setting. It'd be nice to have a one-make race with some of the cars that really beg for it like the Integra and VW Golf RMs and the Miata touring car. It's a little off-putting when you do an arcade race at the most difficult setting and there's always one or two cars that just pull right away from the field and end up 20 seconds ahead at the finish while you fight it out with the rest of the field.

Also, championship series would probably have to be limited to 5 events, as the UCD will completely refresh itself during those 5 game days.

Some great ideas here ... and so many seem to think its a good idea, and would like this event creator tool!

 

[Spagetti69]

I mentioned this before GT was released.
I was told not to worry as there will be enough to be going on with. 8-/

 

[Tenacious D]

We all assumed a lot about GT5. Especially me.

With all that time available, we were sure there would be even more events than in GT4, which has more to do than about any racing game ever made. But apparently, the coders were busy with a lot of matters, such as building a good 3D implementation, the damage system they subsequently scrapped, the weather and time of day builds, and working out that wretched Forza style XP system, among other things.

The team undoubtedly knows about this request. If we don't get it, we'll know that it's either too much work, or they have a similar or better idea. Although I can't imagine anything much better. Many more A-Spec Events would be a good thing, but I have to think that something like this would still be ideal for inclusion in GT5.

I have to repeat someone suggesting that the events generated be not just shareable, but savable as well. I'd love to be able to build a library of my own races and championships, along with tracks made by the Course Maker, that I could race as much as I wanted offline. I wouldn't need any A-Spec additions with this.

 

[Akwaaba]

We all assumed a lot about GT5. Especially me.

With all that time available, we were sure there would be even more events than in GT4, which has more to do than about any racing game ever made. But apparently, the coders were busy with a lot of matters, such as building a good 3D implementation, the damage system they subsequently scrapped, the weather and time of day builds, and working out that wretched Forza style XP system, among other things.

The team undoubtedly knows about this request. If we don't get it, we'll know that it's either too much work, or they have a similar or better idea. Although I can't imagine anything much better. Many more A-Spec Events would be a good thing, but I have to think that something like this would still be ideal for inclusion in GT5.

I have to repeat someone suggesting that the events generated be not just shareable, but savable as well. I'd love to be able to build a library of my own races and championships, along with tracks made by the Course Maker, that I could race as much as I wanted offline. I wouldn't need any A-Spec additions with this.

Being able to save them is a must, the current B-Spec Seasonals are a perfect example of the type of races I'd like to create ... but maybe some better racers will lower the PP of their car, to give a chance of winning, but only just. (I wouldn'r expect the payout to be quite so generous though!)

 

[GodSpeed429]

I want the A-spec races to be hard to beat.

 

[Akwaaba]

I want the A-spec races to be hard to beat.

Agreed - but not everyone's idea of 'hard' is the same - one of the reasons I'd like an event creation tool

 

[TRGTspecialist]

I would absolutely love an "Event Creator", it would just make so much sense to have one, and tbh I'm surprised that very few racing games offer the sort of thing we're looking for.

As well as being able to fine-tune the opponents you race with (which would be the main benefit of a event creator, as most of the other options people would want are already in arcade mode), I think there could be a another benefit - sharing races. I see people have already mentioned this - imagine if you were able to create a "scenario" (remember the missions from GT4?) with a certain number of opponents under certain conditions, give it a title and a description, and put it online. Then the world can search through them and select "Subaru vs. Mitsubishi", or "Group C battle", and so on. Would save people the hassle of having to spend time making and testing/fine-tuning their events, and it would mean PD would never have to worry about lack of races ever again. Everyone wins ^^

 

[Inferno251]

I would love it for Polyphony to bring back events from past Gran Turismo games (i.e special conditions races, the Driving Mission hall and events such as the 1000 Miles championship race from GT4)

 

[Akwaaba]

I would absolutely love an "Event Creator", it would just make so much sense to have one, and tbh I'm surprised that very few racing games offer the sort of thing we're looking for.

As well as being able to fine-tune the opponents you race with (which would be the main benefit of a event creator, as most of the other options people would want are already in arcade mode), I think there could be a another benefit - sharing races. I see people have already mentioned this - imagine if you were able to create a "scenario" (remember the missions from GT4?) with a certain number of opponents under certain conditions, give it a title and a description, and put it online. Then the world can search through them and select "Subaru vs. Mitsubishi", or "Group C battle", and so on. Would save people the hassle of having to spend time making and testing/fine-tuning their events, and it would mean PD would never have to worry about lack of races ever again. Everyone wins ^^

Sold the idea to me completely!!

 

[Tenacious D]

Something like this would take a little work, but it's nothing like trying to design a lifelike bot A.I., or a complex tire model. Making something like TRGTspecialist's Missions would be more, but considering that something very like the Event Maker was in GT2 already, and the PS3 is so powerful, I'd think this should be rather high up on Polyphony's To Do list.

And something else I'd like to add in quickly, is that the Eifel tracks should be included in the track lists for Practice and Arcade Mode racing. I had a lot of fun doing the Seasonal Race using one of the Eifel tracks recently with a Ford GT.

 

[Speed Drifter]

Do you still remember the Event Synthesizer in GT2? Having that kind of race/championship in GT5 would be just what we need. AND the ability to save the race as a template or something so you can race it again! Yes! The more I'm thinking about it the wetter I'm getting ... oops, said too much

 

[drivingmeinsane]

Absolutely excellent idea and would give GT5 the longevity of previous GT titles for those of us who don't play/hate online (for whatever reason).

Is there a petition for this? please post the link if there is...3 votes from me 👍👍👍

 

[Akwaaba]

Absolutely excellent idea and would give GT5 the longevity of previous GT titles for those of us who don't play/hate online (for whatever reason).

Is there a petition for this? please post the link if there is...3 votes from me 👍👍👍

Good idea, 282 votes out of the 347 votes cast support having an event creation tool!!

 

[Emman1984]

Agreed - but not everyone's idea of 'hard' is the same - one of the reasons I'd like an event creation tool

Exactly see there are some Aspec races that are hard and some that are easy in my opinion but others would say this game is all too easy or all too hard me personally I think it 50/50

 

[drivingmeinsane]

As Akwaaba already stated, prize money (would be nice to get random car tickets as well) would be based on game parameters such as making the game incredibly easy to grind or because you love to cheat=very little prize money (and if implemented) lvl 1 car tickets you cannot sell or get rid off so your garage will fill up with lots n lots of nothing cars lol.
JK about that last...or am i!?! lol

Seriously, making near enough zero credits and no XP alone would deter most people from making it to easy...

DAMN! i just remembered a game i used to have...i had a Scalextric game for my first computer, Commodor 64. i had a cassette tape of the game where by you created the track and off you went. granted that is by today's standards a game and system that we would class as caveman technology BUT, if it worked then (albeit on a limited scale), there's no reason it wont work now by today's standards...

Damn i miss that game

 

[Green]

I really can't believe anyone would want to race GT5's AI over real people online, the AI in GT5 is easy to beat even with a slower car. I really don't know how you guys get enjoyment out of racing these A-spec Events, they are so boring compared to racing online. Also what is the vote about 4 options when really all that is needed is YES or NO, I would rather PD made some more cars and tracks than waste their time on this ................

 

[drivingmeinsane]

I really can't believe anyone would want to race GT5's AI over real people online, the AI in GT5 is easy to beat even with a slower car. I really don't know how you guys get enjoyment out of racing these A-spec Events, they are so boring compared to racing online. Also what is the vote about 4 options when really all that is needed is YES or NO, I would rather PD made some more cars and tracks than waste their time on this ................

Maybe i dont want 10,00 people in my friends list, maybe i dont want any at all, maybe because it's a nightmare trying to find a few friends you want to play with but are all over the world and not awake at the same, time.. maybe after having tried to race online you are sick of snotty noised little $h1tts driving the wrong way in an X2010/11 smashing into everything in sight. maybe, just maybe some of us are sick of cheaters who cut corners and smash you out the way just so they can feel good about themselves...or maybe some of us liked 4 so much we couldn't wait to do it all over again in a much more improved game. or maybe some of us have crappy connections...take your pick


I'm really happy for you that online is so much fun...for YOU, but it's not the case for the entire GT5 community, and judging by the vote so far you are the minority

 

[Emman1984]

I would choose driving against the A.I. against a human player anyday cause when you're online you have to be perfect and have to have the game mastered and not only that you have to slow down to avoid hitting slow racers cause some human player have anger problem if you accidentally touch their cars. But if you race against the A.I. you can pass clean more easier and if you happen to make a mistake you are easily forgiving or you can alway try again unlike online you don't get a 2nd chance 1 mistake and you have made an enemy and if they are the host you will get booted for making mistakes.

 

[Akwaaba]

I really can't believe anyone would want to race GT5's AI over real people online, the AI in GT5 is easy to beat even with a slower car. I really don't know how you guys get enjoyment out of racing these A-spec Events, they are so boring compared to racing online. Also what is the vote about 4 options when really all that is needed is YES or NO, I would rather PD made some more cars and tracks than waste their time on this ................

Each to their own.
I, for one, have not found online very much fun at all - others seem to love it and that is great for them. I prefer, in the short time I play GT5 in any one go would prefer to do a seasonal event or a A-spec. My favourite events are actually the last of the licence tests - I I'd like to create more similiar to those.

Regarding AI, at least it behaves with acceptable parameters ... the only AI I do hear people complaining about the most is B-Spec Bob. Talking of which, I love to reproduce those B-Spec seasonals as A-Spec races ... maybe with a lower PP for the car i'll use!

 

[Green]

LOL, Mostly I race in GTP series which really only requires adding the person who is hosting. I do agree that in random lobbies it can be a nightmare sometimes, but there are good lobbies out there.
People who cheat/smash their way to victory only cheat themselves and will normally be kicked or I would leave. I don't understand why anyone would let someone who cheats ruin their online experience, you should be able to rise above it.

I personally think the AI in GT5 is to slow they brake way too early if you race in a same car race you can end up lapping cars in a 5lap race for me that isn't fun. So I would never use a A-Spec editor, if you would fair enough.

Also you don't know I'm the minority, How many people voted ? How many people play GT5? I think you'll find your missing alot of people's opinons.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

LOL, Mostly I race in GTP series which really only requires adding the person who is hosting. I do agree that in random lobbies it can be a nightmare sometimes, but there are good lobbies out there.
People who cheat/smash their way to victory only cheat themselves and will normally be kicked or I would leave. I don't understand why anyone would let someone who cheats ruin their online experience, you should be able to rise above it.

I personally think the AI in GT5 is to slow they brake way too early if you race in a same car race you can end up lapping cars in a 5lap race for me that isn't fun. So I would never use a A-Spec editor, if you would fair enough.

Also you don't know I'm the minority, How many people voted ? How many people play GT5? I think you'll find your missing alot of people's opinons.

I don't know about everyone else, but the reason I prefer the AI to online is the effort required. Call me lazy, but it does take effort to find a good server, or to join a dedicated racing series. Whilst you can jump into Arcade mode, or a Seasonal event straight away.

Yes the AI are slow, but that's easily fixed by using a slower car (or putting on worse tyres, which I find works best). And crucially the AI are consistent. That's a big problem with online, you never know if you're going to be up against some idiot who'll crash into you, or some driving god who'll blow you away. Again, for me online usually involves more work and frustration than offline, and that's why an event creator makes sense imo.

 

[signmc]

I Woulnt want to add races directly to A spec. but a different area of the game where you can create any type of race / championship, that can be made to wat you want, where you receive points and prices for wins. (size of price is dependant on where you come in the races)

For example if you wanted to create a championship, you can select different tracks of your choise and as many of them as you like to have in the championship. Next select your requirments. e.g power limit of cars, weight etc.... Then you can select if you want a practice session / qualify before each race and of course the length of each race. Be it, max time or laps.

I think this would make an awsome addition to GT5 usability.

 

[drivingmeinsane]

LOL, Mostly I race in GTP series which really only requires adding the person who is hosting. I do agree that in random lobbies it can be a nightmare sometimes, but there are good lobbies out there.
People who cheat/smash their way to victory only cheat themselves and will normally be kicked or I would leave. I don't understand why anyone would let someone who cheats ruin their online experience, you should be able to rise above it.

I personally think the AI in GT5 is to slow they brake way too early if you race in a same car race you can end up lapping cars in a 5lap race for me that isn't fun. So I would never use a A-Spec editor, if you would fair enough.

Also you don't know I'm the minority, How many people voted ? How many people play GT5? I think you'll find your missing alot of people's opinons.

I did say judging by the poll but i do agree with you that the Ai could use a shot of roids to wake them up lol


What i will say for online is this, i would play it if i could find rooms hosted by English speaking people. to many times i've been booted because i'm not Polish, Romanian, Japanese, Chinese or Czech. to many times i've been smashed into, to many times i've been smashed out of the way. going from room to room in the hopes of a clean race spending nearly an hour just to be disappointed and forced to be pissed off with game because of stupid people is not my idea of fun.


Each to his own

 

[Tenacious D]

I don't know about everyone else, but the reason I prefer the AI to online is the effort required. Call me lazy, but it does take effort to find a good server, or to join a dedicated racing series. Whilst you can jump into Arcade mode, or a Seasonal event straight away.

Yes the AI are slow, but that's easily fixed by using a slower car (or putting on worse tyres, which I find works best). And crucially the AI are consistent. That's a big problem with online, you never know if you're going to be up against some idiot who'll crash into you, or some driving god who'll blow you away. Again, for me online usually involves more work and frustration than offline, and that's why an event creator makes sense imo.

What i will say for online is this, i would play it if i could find rooms hosted by English speaking people. to many times i've been booted because i'm not Polish, Romanian, Japanese, Chinese or Czech. to many times i've been smashed into, to many times i've been smashed out of the way. going from room to room in the hopes of a clean race spending nearly an hour just to be disappointed and forced to be pissed off with game because of stupid people is not my idea of fun.

These are the problems of racing online in a nutshell.

It would be completely different if most people respected each other. If GT5 was played mostly by good racers who wanted either a serious but clean competition, or at least a fun race for all, and winning wasn't the only thing that mattered. If everyone had all the time in the world, and could all race at the same time, no matter where in the world they lived. And if we had an endless friend's list that was full of nothing but good folk. But that's not how the world works, sadly.

Because we can't just set aside our entire lives when we want to, to make some scheduled race someone set up, or find decent random racers easily, or whatever because online racing is such a minefield, many of us stick to offline single player racing. And we manage to have a blast with it. As drivingmeinsane says, the bots could use some steroids or something to keep them from giving up when you jump ahead of them, or creeping around turns and through chicanes. But it's possible that PD has done the best they could to keep the bots from clogging those chicanes, as happens in GTR and some other PC sims. But as lame as some of you think they are, they also won't kick you from your own race. They have been working on the A.I. code, so maybe in a future update, we'll have those superbots we want.

Anyway, because of all this, an Event Creator is a good idea, and wouldn't take years to make. And while that poll isn't exactly scientific, it probably does represent the attitudes of a good hunk of the GT fanbase.