POLL: Would you like to be able to create your own A-Spec Races

[Emman1984]

I don't know about everyone else, but the reason I prefer the AI to online is the effort required. Call me lazy, but it does take effort to find a good server, or to join a dedicated racing series. Whilst you can jump into Arcade mode, or a Seasonal event straight away.

Yes the AI are slow, but that's easily fixed by using a slower car (or putting on worse tyres, which I find works best). And crucially the AI are consistent. That's a big problem with online, you never know if you're going to be up against some idiot who'll crash into you, or some driving god who'll blow you away. Again, for me online usually involves more work and frustration than offline, and that's why an event creator makes sense imo.

I couldn't say it any better myself see that how i feel too I mean I did not pay 60 buck for a game that will frustrate me and make me work harder I bought this game for fun and entertainment so it won't feel like racing is hard work

 

[MrGrado]

I doubt if there was an event editor it would be any good. If it was made and it was good, I doubt your racing experience would be any better than any of the best events from previous GT games. If it was better, I doubt it would come easy to make the event to the required quality.

If you did made an event as good as one of PD's best events, all it would be is some hotlapping with maybe a few dead easy overtakes to do. I would personally prefer PD to include good quality, ready made events.

If there was an even editor, you would have to race the event over and over and over and over and over and over so you could edit it to make it decently competitive. So all enjoyment is completely gone well before the event is even completed.

You can race in existing events over and over and change cars or tune to have competitive race, you just might not get to use the car of you choice and race against the opponent cars of your choice.

Someone wanting an event editor just seems like some kid who is never satisfied and always wants more, even when he doesn't know what he wants. Why doesn't GT5 have motorbikes? Why isn't there a city map where we can drive endlessly around everywhere? Why doesn't GT5 have every tack and every car ever made? I like trains, why can't we have trains...

 

[Tornado]

If it was made and it was good, I doubt your racing experience would be any better than any of the best events from previous GT games.

I sure am glad that you have a better idea of what I find enjoyable than I do.

If it was better, I doubt it would come easy to make the event to the required quality.

GT5 doesn't set a particularly high bar in that regard. And it isn't as if there have been games in the past that allowed this exact functionality, eh?

If you did made an event as good as one of PD's best events, all it would be is some hotlapping with maybe a few dead easy overtakes to do. I would personally prefer PD to include good quality, ready made events.

I like how you just massively contradicted yourself here.

If there was an even editor, you would have to race the event over and over and over and over and over and over so you could edit it to make it decently competitive. So all enjoyment is completely gone well before the event is even completed.


You can race in existing events over and over and change cars or tune to have competitive race, you just might not get to use the car of you choice and race against the opponent cars of your choice.

And again.

Someone wanting an event editor just seems like some kid who is never satisfied and always wants more, even when he doesn't know what he wants. Why doesn't GT5 have motorbikes? Why isn't there a city map where we can drive endlessly around everywhere? Why doesn't GT5 have every tack and every car ever made? I like trains, why can't we have trains...

Strawmen. Strawmen everywhere.


Did you read any of the posts in this thread before you posted?

 

[drivingmeinsane]

Someone wanting an event editor just seems like some kid who is never satisfied and always wants more, even when he doesn't know what he wants. Why doesn't GT5 have motorbikes? Why isn't there a city map where we can drive endlessly around everywhere? Why doesn't GT5 have every tack and every car ever made? I like trains, why can't we have trains...

i don't understand how you can come to that conclusion. would you agree that A-spec content in 5 is pitifully low? i will assume you agree (sorry if you don't, but most do agree that 5 is lacking in content...even PD themselves otherwise why do they have seasonals?), in which case, this would address the imbalance.

If PD release a patch/update and increase the A-spec content by a factor of 10, then there would be no need for such a tool in the game. if they don't then what's the harm of such a tool for those who want more A-spec content?

 

[Akwaaba]

If there was an even editor, you would have to race the event over and over and over and over and over and over so you could edit it to make it decently competitive. So all enjoyment is completely gone well before the event is even completed.

Really, I'm a little more optimistic than that. How about 1 lap at Spa, the AI are all in 600pp, on sports soft, and I start last in 550pp car on sports medium ... I'd enjoy that challenge - would you? Would others?

Having done it once, considering where I ended up, I think I'd be able to make any alterations so that I had a fighting chance for a win ... if any changes were needed at all. However, no disrespect to my Son - but he'd need to have at least a 50pp advantage with more grippy tyres than the AI.

I'd expect most GT5 players, after just playing a few races would manage to set up a race that they'd enjoy, and maybe after one or possibly two edits would be able to tailor it to what they'd like.

You can race in existing events over and over and change cars or tune to have competitive race, you just might not get to use the car of you choice and race against the opponent cars of your choice.

I can and do, just re-done the Professional Hall using stock cars, but that is only 18 races, Expert and Extreme only had another 40-50 races
It was this repetition, and the removal of the Seasonals that prompted me to set this poll up.

Someone wanting an event editor just seems like some kid who is never satisfied and always wants more, even when he doesn't know what he wants. Why doesn't GT5 have motorbikes? Why isn't there a city map where we can drive endlessly around everywhere? Why doesn't GT5 have every tack and every car ever made? I like trains, why can't we have trains...

Not sure that wanting more is such a bad characteristic ... isn't that desire to want to improve and make things better a good thing ... to make things more efficient, easier to use, more enjoyable ... isn't that a positive driving force.

I don't think that I've moaned - only suggested an extra feature that I think that I'd enjoy, and it seems as though I'm not alone!

 

[Samus]

If you did made an event as good as one of PD's best events, all it would be is some hotlapping with maybe a few dead easy overtakes to do. I would personally prefer PD to include good quality, ready made events.

Have you seen the seasonals? Also PD have had over a year to add 'good quality, ready made events' to A-Spec and they've not added a single one so maybe it's time to let us do it ourselves.

If there was an even editor, you would have to race the event over and over and over and over and over and over so you could edit it to make it decently competitive. So all enjoyment is completely gone well before the event is even completed.

Why would you have to do that? It would be rather simple:

A) choose track
B) choose number of laps
C) Set PI level or stock car groups (GT500, WRC, F1 etc) and choose car
D) set difficulty of AI
E) set tyre restrictions, assists etc

The game chooses AI based on C) and how fast they go based on D). Off you go. You could then choose different cars to race in it but that's the same as any A spec event already. The only difference is you can set everything up to your desires.

You can race in existing events over and over and change cars or tune to have competitive race, you just might not get to use the car of you choice and race against the opponent cars of your choice.

Well duh, hence people wanting an event creator to do just that.

 

[Tenacious D]

I doubt if there was an event editor it would be any good.

There was in GT2, and it was pretty good.

If there was an even editor, you would have to race the event over and over and over and over and over and over so you could edit it to make it decently competitive. So all enjoyment is completely gone well before the event is even completed.

I've raced Spa over and over and over and over and over and over, and haven't had to do more than grab another car and have at it some more. Of course I'm not hellbent on being first at all cost. I just want to see where I place in a given field, and know how to blow away the field if I so choose.

MrG, I really think you haven't read anything in this thread to understand how people think on this subject, you just decided to tell us all what to think.

Why doesn't GT5 have motorbikes?

Forget that, why doesn't Tourist Trophy have cars?!

 

[Akwaaba]

i don't understand how you can come to that conclusion. would you agree that A-spec content in 5 is pitifully low? i will assume you agree (sorry if you don't, but most do agree that 5 is lacking in content...even PD themselves otherwise why do they have seasonals?), in which case, this would address the imbalance.

If PD release a patch/update and increase the A-spec content by a factor of 10, then there would be no need for such a tool in the game. if they don't then what's the harm of such a tool for those who want more A-spec content?

Agreed

 

[Akwaaba]

With 373 votes cast, only 68 aren't in favour of an event creation tool.

There have been a wide number of reasons in this thread as to why, so what is the next step to raise this with PD ... any suggestions?

 

[Akwaaba]

doh! I hadn't noticed the feedback tab, till a couple of days ago. In case you hadn't noticed/voted the second most popular is to have more races (maybe PD feel they are responding to this with seasonals). However on the second page - somebody else has suggested a race event creation suggestion ... please vote!

 

[interpolfan11]

I'm not satisfied with GT5 at all, but the last thing I'd want PD to do is waste their time developing an update with an event creator. There's an unlimited amount events available through online play.

Besides, the AI is far too incompetent for me to have any fun in A-Spec.

 

[Akwaaba]

I'm not satisfied with GT5 at all, but the last thing I'd want PD to do is waste their time developing an update with an event creator. There's an unlimited amount events available through online play.

Besides, the AI is far too incompetent for me to have any fun in A-Spec.

1. i think they already have most of the programming for it anyway, the seasonal events suggest this, the online event creation tool backs this up and already has an interface.

2. as for A-spec, last night I decided to use a Volvo 240 estate in one of the early races ... may even have been in the beginner hall. Anyway, it was dam difficult to win using it as stock, although doing an oil change helped. But each to their own, I find online a bit annoying ... partly cause I tend to use GT5 in 30 or 40 min blocks of time.

 

[Tenacious D]

I'm not satisfied with GT5 at all

Right there, I'm thinking you have nothing to contribute to the discussion, and it looks like I'm right.

There are threads and suggestions left and right for graphic tweaks, this or that car or manufacturer to be added, sound improvements and what have you. Seeing that not everyone loves online racing, and a bunch of us are happy to race against the bots, I don't think this subject is silly or out of bounds, let alone all that hard to accomplish.

 

[research]

Does everyone else have the poll results displayed like this?

a) 5 1.47%
b) 65 19.06%
c) 202 59.24%
d) 119 34.90%

out of 341 total votes...... these percentages add up to over 114%


Is it just my machine displaying these numbers? Weird.



anyway..... GREAT POST/POLL, OP! Lets keep it hot!

: )

 

[Akwaaba]

Does everyone else have the poll results displayed like this?

a) 5 1.47%
b) 65 19.06%
c) 202 59.24%
d) 119 34.90%

out of 341 total votes...... these percentages add up to over 114%


Is it just my machine displaying these numbers? Weird.



anyway..... GREAT POST/POLL, OP! Lets keep it hot!

: )

Thanks

I thought that some would like to vote on more than one option, so clicked the option to allow this when setting up the poll.

 

[dustbin89]

I just came on here to start a very very similar thread but came along this with the search function (that's how it's done), I voted for a free event editor as well.

Although single events would be a good use for this my main motivation was for customised A-spec championships. Arcade mode fits custom single races well I think.

I want it for longer championships, 10 races not 5, 20 laps not 5-10, just like old GT titles, with specific opponent selection so you can create DTM, or FIA GT.

with the multiple classes of cars that are on track in endurance racing.

How awesome would it be running against 4 other GT1 cars while LMPs go blasting past you?

YES YES, I have always wanted to be able to do the LM24 in a gt car, half the field LMP, half GT, and if you win your class, that's still a win. This feature would also help make a very good ALMS Custom Championship

 

[dustbin89]

I remember on GT4 if I wanted to do JGTC I just did the "All Japan Championship" or something like that, 10 races 10 laps each race? or something similar.

But in GT5 it's 3 single races (although they are 10 laps still), this feature would rectify this. PLEASE POLYPHONY DO THIS!!!

 

[interpolfan11]

Right there, I'm thinking you have nothing to contribute to the discussion, and it looks like I'm right.

There are threads and suggestions left and right for graphic tweaks, this or that car or manufacturer to be added, sound improvements and what have you. Seeing that not everyone loves online racing, and a bunch of us are happy to race against the bots, I don't think this subject is silly or out of bounds, let alone all that hard to accomplish.

But if you look back at my post, you'll see that I mention that the AI in GT5 is nowhere near as competitive as it needs to be. This incompetent AI would render the event creator useless IMHO.

I'd much rather have PD focus on adding difficulty levels to races in A-Spec. Now that would be easy to accomplish.

 

[Giygas]

This would be cool, as long as EVERY car (including dlc and rm that you have bought already) could be chosen as opponents.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

This incompetent AI would render the event creator useless IMHO.

And online opponents are never incompetent? Also I've said this before but I have to disagree that the AI are incompetent. Since all the updates they function perfectly well - the problem is they are slow. Which is a nice problem to have, because it can be easily worked around (de-tuning, using worse tyres, etc). Offline racing isn't as redundant as some may think.

This would be cool, as long as EVERY car (including dlc and rm that you have bought already) could be chosen as opponents.

That actually points out one of the potential flaws of an event creator - having to scroll through so many cars. This is why it would be important to have the ability to share events imo, because even something so seemingly simple as selecting cars could be mundane enough to turn people off the idea.

Aside from all that, don't know if this has been mentioned (or maybe it's just really obvious) but one thing you'd definitely need is the ability to select from a pool of opponents - then when you select the race the game will randomly choose the required number of cars from that pool. Just to make things more interesting/varied.

 

[Giygas]

And online opponents are never incompetent? Also I've said this before but I have to disagree that the AI are incompetent. Since all the updates they function perfectly well - the problem is they are slow. Which is a nice problem to have, because it can be easily worked around (de-tuning, using worse tyres, etc). Offline racing isn't as redundant as some may think.



That actually points out one of the potential flaws of an event creator - having to scroll through so many cars. This is why it would be important to have the ability to share events imo, because even something so seemingly simple as selecting cars could be mundane enough to turn people off the idea.

Aside from all that, don't know if this has been mentioned (or maybe it's just really obvious) but one thing you'd definitely need is the ability to select from a pool of opponents - then when you select the race the game will randomly choose the required number of cars from that pool. Just to make things more interesting/varied.

This wouldn't be too much of a problem, as they could implement an NCD-type deal. The pool idea is pretty cool though. Maybe you could make your own pool and save it so if you wanted to race against the same pack of cars again you would not spend another 5 minutes relocating the same cars.

 

[interpolfan11]

And online opponents are never incompetent? Also I've said this before but I have to disagree that the AI are incompetent. Since all the updates they function perfectly well - the problem is they are slow. Which is a nice problem to have, because it can be easily worked around (de-tuning, using worse tyres, etc). Offline racing isn't as redundant as some may think.



That actually points out one of the potential flaws of an event creator - having to scroll through so many cars. This is why it would be important to have the ability to share events imo, because even something so seemingly simple as selecting cars could be mundane enough to turn people off the idea.

Aside from all that, don't know if this has been mentioned (or maybe it's just really obvious) but one thing you'd definitely need is the ability to select from a pool of opponents - then when you select the race the game will randomly choose the required number of cars from that pool. Just to make things more interesting/varied.

The AI driving too slowly is one of the reasons they are incompetent.

As for online drivers, I find that they are obviously much more competitive than the AI and I can deal with the occasional bump for the sake of competitive spirit. This leads me to a subject I just don't seem to understand. People complain that online drivers are dirty and prone to bumping, but isn't the AI just as bad? Now of course, the AI isn't intentionally "dirty", so to speak. However, I find that by refusing to pull to the left when I'm going significantly faster speed than they are, they are being just as rude as some online drivers (and may I add, very few online drivers) are.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

This leads me to a subject I just don't seem to understand. People complain that online drivers are dirty and prone to bumping, but isn't the AI just as bad? Now of course, the AI isn't intentionally "dirty", so to speak. However, I find that by refusing to pull to the left when I'm going significantly faster speed than they are, they are being just as rude as some online drivers (and may I add, very few online drivers) are.

Well you see I'd say the AI don't drive dirty, at least not in my experience - never been punted off by one, and collisions I've had with them are usually 50/50 incidents or me being far too aggressive. That's why I don't consider them to be incompetent. But I know opinion is split on this, so meh.

 

[Tornado]

blah blah online play blah blah.

Do I need to quote myself or any of the other people who have explained why bringing up online play is irrelevant?

And I do hope you'll forgive me for being blunt, but quite frankly I'm sick of hearing that excuse for why PD shouldn't bother implementing something people obviously would get enjoyment out of just like I'm sick of hearing that excuse every other time anyone wonders aloud what PD can do with the GT Life mode to make it better.

 

[interpolfan11]

Do I need to quote myself or any of the other people who have explained why bringing up online play is irrelevant?

And I do hope you'll forgive me for being blunt, but quite frankly I'm sick of hearing that excuse for why PD shouldn't bother implementing something people obviously would get enjoyment out of just like I'm sick of hearing that excuse every other time anyone wonders aloud what PD can do with the GT Life mode to make it better.

lol! btw, I'm not intending to write this in a condescending manner.

Anyways, this is an online forum where people chat about GT5. As a member of this forum, you don't believe people should be able to give their opinions about the features that they would like to see in GT5, as well as the features that they think would be better left out?

I mean, PD is only going to be able to implement so many updates for GT5. Personally, I'd rather see more tracks, but to each is own.

 

[Akwaaba]

lol! btw, I'm not intending to write this in a condescending manner.

Anyways, this is an online forum where people chat about GT5. As a member of this forum, you don't believe people should be able to give their opinions about the features that they would like to see in GT5, as well as the features that they think would be better left out?
I mean, PD is only going to be able to implement so many updates for GT5. Personally, I'd rather see more tracks, but to each is own.

When you argue for something to be left out, or not developed, it is going to 'get' to those who want it.

You don't want an event creation tool. I have no problem with that, explaining why is more than fine.

But if you look back at my post, you'll see that I mention that the AI in GT5 is nowhere near as competitive as it needs to be. This incompetent AI would render the event creator useless IMHO.

This is a bit over the top. AI aren't as good as the best online, but they are afar far better than the worst online.

I'd much rather have PD focus on adding difficulty levels to races in A-Spec. Now that would be easy to accomplish.

Still racing against the AI, the way PD would make it difficult would exclude a number of people from being able to finish in the top 3? AI have made some difficult events, Red Bull special, and some of the races in the licence tests come to mind.

One of the reasons I'd like an event creation tool, is so that I can create a race that I'll find challenging, using whatever car and circuit I want. I want it in GT Life so that I can earn credits, and so that it makes A-Spec potentially infinate.

I use a pad, and on time trials maybe get into the top 500-1000, so I'm okay, but not a great player. Occasionally when i have gone online I've been so much slower, although once or twice I've been much faster - when you don't use online much it is difficult to match my mediocre pace with other players. I want to race in events I can just about win.

In seasonals I have to pick a car and tuning that I hope that I can win with on a circuit that PD have chosen.

With an event creation tool, I want to pick the car I want to use, tuned to my choosing, and then pick the circuit I want to use. Hopefully more DLC circuits will become available, making this tool even more desirable to me.

I'd probably create events that you'd look down on and think were too easy. Others may find them too dificult (an unlikely scenario!). It is setting something up to suit the player. So if we shared the events created, you'd need to edit - maybe change the tyres to comfort hard or whatever.

So for taking up much time, I don't think it would take PD very long, as I think they have most of the programming for it, and for online they already have an interface.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

As a member of this forum, you don't believe people should be able to give their opinions about the features that they would like to see in GT5, as well as the features that they think would be better left out?

I don't think it's that, I think it's just people don't like it when the same argument gets posted ad infinitum - which isn't yours or anyone else's fault of course, it just so happens there are many different people here who post similar views. I wouldn't let it discourage you

I mean, PD is only going to be able to implement so many updates for GT5. Personally, I'd rather see more tracks, but to each is own.

Fair point, and indeed, to each his own. I'd love to see more tracks too - and it probably makes more sense to add extra content through updates, rather than extra features, really. I'd happily wait for an event creator to be included in GT6.

 

[Samus]

And online opponents are never incompetent? Also I've said this before but I have to disagree that the AI are incompetent. Since all the updates they function perfectly well - the problem is they are slow. Which is a nice problem to have, because it can be easily worked around (de-tuning, using worse tyres, etc). Offline racing isn't as redundant as some may think.



That actually points out one of the potential flaws of an event creator - having to scroll through so many cars. This is why it would be important to have the ability to share events imo, because even something so seemingly simple as selecting cars could be mundane enough to turn people off the idea.

Aside from all that, don't know if this has been mentioned (or maybe it's just really obvious) but one thing you'd definitely need is the ability to select from a pool of opponents - then when you select the race the game will randomly choose the required number of cars from that pool. Just to make things more interesting/varied.

It really should be (quite) simple from their end.

You choose a track
You choose a PP limit for the race.
You choose your car to that limit.
The game chooses the opponent cars based on that PP.
Other settings - laps/weather/tyres etc.

Go.

What would be important is that the cars selected for the AI cars are ALL around the limit. They need to get out of the tired old habit of creating a race with for example a PP limit of 600 and then only putting you up again 2/3 AI cars even close to 600 and filling the rest with 550 to as low as 400, giving you traffic to fly past until you catch the real challenge.

Let us set a PP limit, the game chooses 11 AI cars as close to the limit as possible, followed by an equal rolling start/standing start as well, none of this single file 20 seconds apart cobblers.

THAT would give me hours of enjoyment in this game.

 

[Short Bus]

It really should be (quite) simple from their end.

You choose a track
You choose a PP limit for the race.
You choose your car to that limit.
The game chooses the opponent cars based on that PP.
Other settings - laps/weather/tyres etc.

Go.

What would be important is that the cars selected for the AI cars are ALL around the limit. They need to get out of the tired old habit of creating a race with for example a PP limit of 600 and then only putting you up again 2/3 AI cars even close to 600 and filling the rest with 550 to as low as 400, giving you traffic to fly past until you catch the real challenge.

Let us set a PP limit, the game chooses 11 AI cars as close to the limit as possible, followed by an equal rolling start/standing start as well, none of this single file 20 seconds apart cobblers.

THAT would give me hours of enjoyment in this game.

Even if they just gave us this, it would be great. But I would like to see an expanded filter that allows me to specify things such as make/model of car, nationality of car, year ranges, horsepower/weight levels, body type (hatch, convertible, dedicated race versus street car, etc). The more ways to filter the opponents to create my own races the more use I'll get out of the feature.

At this point, unfortunately I find that the arcade mode is of limited use. But with these enhancements I could play GT5 for ages and not get bored, because I'd be able to run enough "what if" races to keep myself entertained.

 

[TheBrianWillis]

A spec with heavy mechanical damage is all Im asking for.