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If that was the point of your previous post, hen I think you misunderstood the post you were replying to.
Polyphony Digital partnership with Ayrton Senna Institute announced
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- Johnnypenso
Thanks for reading my posts
. I won't copy and paste for you, but suffice to say I've given Sony and PD credit where I thought credit was due many, many times, but most often those posts are short and sweet and lost among a rash of other posts saying the same thing, because it's usually done during some important announcement, like Bathurst or Goodwood, new physics etc. When they are moving forward I'm as positive as I can be given the miniscule amount of information we usually get.I respect their overall work and I've played each iteration of the game for endless hours but that doesn't mean I don't or won't look at this product with a critical eye, especially when I see other "sims" succeeding in areas PD should have conquered ages ago. PD is the Apple of racing sims or they should be. You don't see iPhones released with 20% colour and 80% black and white screens, or chimes and beeps and whistles and notifications only from the 90's. They are cutting edge in every respect and I want GT to be the same way. It's not like they don't have the funds to make it that way. You won't get that by being complacent or sitting back telling them they are wonderful all the time.
Correct, they owe us nothing at this point and have no obligation to tell us anything, but it's also true that some or many people make buying decisions on consumer goods based on what they hear and know about the product before it's released. Hearing little besides cars and tracks and vague hints about content that may or may not be there doesn't inspire consumer confidence and is sure to affect at least initial sales.
PCars seems to be doing a good job interacting with the community. They are letting them vote on which platform the game is released!!! Community interaction can be done and done well, but not if it's haphazard or an afterthought.
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lol, ya sorryThanks for reading my posts
... can't always be reading everything on these forums, I just browse around sometimes for info and impressions...I see, I'm sure Polyphony do this purposely for exactly the reason Ardius mentioned on the previous page, it's better to keep quiet with most information because it will get tossed and turned every way on GT forums and gaming sites, as well it's better to keep hush to not let other developers know what's being worked on, I mean that's been PD's style forever. Actually, I think we've had more info and events shared from PD than ever before it seems.
Well I'm glad you say it like that, I was really hoping with the consistant critiquing you just want to see the best for the GT series and rise to the absolute top... like I said before, it's not that I think everybody should bow down to Kaz and be quiet, it is vitally important to speak up about the (many) flaws, I think people on this forum have done an excellent job at that, but it's just not good to nag about every miniscule thing. Anywho, nice to hear you say it in that way. 👍
Now, we've (I've) veered a few miles off track of the actual intent of this thread, sorry for that, I'm hoping the Ayrton Senna deal is a good, well thought out portion of the game... it better be with the entirety of the Brazialian GT6 PS3 Bundle boxart being covered with his face...
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I just pre ordered GT6 with Ayrton Senna's content. I thought the Senna version of GT would not be available for pre order once it will come in form of DLC, but the guy of the store confirmed it.
If it's already available for pre order, I wonder how much time will it take until this DLC comes.
If it's already available for pre order, I wonder how much time will it take until this DLC comes.
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Nope, he simply preordered the Senna version of GT6.
Available only in Brazil as far as I know.
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I bought the Senna version of GT6, but I also still dont know how it's gonna be, maybe I will get a code to use when the DLC comes out, still not sure.
I will try to get more info about it on the store.
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- HamiltonMP427
@Ardius Well people do take it seriously since video games for many are becoming a bigger and bigger purchase now days, also since it is a movement that many are now growing up with or have it is something serious for many. Also not sure how you can blame people but not hold developers accountable for horrid QC when it comes to games and then justify why we the collective public should buy.
Being vague is quite asinine and expectant of their fan base just to buy on impulse or loyalty. It's perfectly fine to question and want to see what they actually plan to provide. What you and others seem to fail and address is the elephant in the room and that being how close the game is to be released, so why you and others think knowing a month ahead of what we are pre-ordering or buying is wrong then I guess those who do provide such pertinent info are doing it wrong.
Being vague is quite asinine and expectant of their fan base just to buy on impulse or loyalty. It's perfectly fine to question and want to see what they actually plan to provide. What you and others seem to fail and address is the elephant in the room and that being how close the game is to be released, so why you and others think knowing a month ahead of what we are pre-ordering or buying is wrong then I guess those who do provide such pertinent info are doing it wrong.
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Not sure you know how or when they choose to market more of their product as evidenced by your premature conclusions.
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What premature conclusions? Once again as I discussed with you prior, most of us can make predictions due to the trend PD has created and done with their games for the past 10-15 year, many mods use it and so do regular users. It's the same trend that people use to conclude that a single system cycle will have two GT games for example. Why you have yet to understand this is beyond me, you being not as accustomed seems to be the trouble though.
Also PD has never been known to fully market their product they've always been hype driven or vague, some of us would like for them to join the rest of society. Games, movies, virtually any product is introduced to some massive degree then expanded upon so people will buy it or at least consider before the release.
Why people treat PD/GT like this...
I will never know.
I still have yet to see any intellectual reasoning why it's justified in us not knowing more concrete things about GT.
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- kudos00
Yeah, we'll see. Some people "will" be wrong and others will be right. Either way, GT GOOOOD!
Well, if the physics are less realistic, there are less events, longer loading times, more "Standard cars", a short and boring career mode, then I think I will think, "GT BAAAAD!"
Well, if the physics are less realistic, there are less events, longer loading times, more "Standard cars", a short and boring career mode, then I think I will think, "GT BAAAAD!"
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So GT5 2.0? As critical as I am due to the stupid things PD pulls, I don't think they'd do that. The game will improve.
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- kudos00
Believe me when I say/yell, "WT%!", at things in GT5 when I was playing it every other day.
This is one of them. It's such a major thing to miss as minor as it seems.we still simply were given Basics and such (except for tracks that already have weather and time change and weren't implemented in their variations and layouts).
I still think GT6 will make me more happy than GT5 based on info. that I've heard and read in the last four years.
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Do you even stay on topic? You're rambling on about things you don't know. Then you post pictures as if that enhances your argument. You already judged GT6 without knowing all its features. Then you say we should follow a trend with GT games? What does trends have to do with thinking more information will be released in the final month OR holding off the judgemental attitude they didn't "sell" their game enough? Yeah, your long winded response wasn't even a rebuttal to my statement. You just stick to your continuing argument that those who wait for more info are somehow PD defenders.What premature conclusions? Once again as I discussed with you prior, most of us can make predictions due to the trend PD has created and done with their games for the past 10-15 year, many mods use it and so do regular users. It's the same trend that people use to conclude that a single system cycle will have two GT games for example. Why you have yet to understand this is beyond me, you being not as accustomed seems to be the trouble though.
Also PD has never been known to fully market their product they've always been hype driven or vague, some of us would like for them to join the rest of society. Games, movies, virtually any product is introduced to some massive degree then expanded upon so people will buy it or at least consider before the release.
Why people treat PD/GT like this...
I will never know.
I still have yet to see any intellectual reasoning why it's justified in us not knowing more concrete things about GT.
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Yes @Johnnypenso that will do, that will do...
Where did I go off topic at? A direct quote would be nice.
It's ironic because you claim I've judged you and yet you say that I already decided about GT6, tell me what have I decided? We don't know all it's features you seem to agree with, but that is PD's fault. Also I love how you twisted what I said about following the trends in how PD works GT into public relations.
Trends obviously show us what to expect as I've said twice (actually more) now. How was it not a rebuttal or is being mad again your only way to coax me into leaving you alone? The part I placed in bold makes no sense, since I'm waiting for more info yet not a defender, also most who take your line of reasoning are fanatical fans. Also you quoted me if you think I'm just perpetuating an argument I've already offered to help put me on ignore, but if you want me to let you be why quote me? Also if you don't like people speaking against you why post at all on a public forum?
Where did I go off topic at? A direct quote would be nice.
It's ironic because you claim I've judged you and yet you say that I already decided about GT6, tell me what have I decided? We don't know all it's features you seem to agree with, but that is PD's fault. Also I love how you twisted what I said about following the trends in how PD works GT into public relations.
Trends obviously show us what to expect as I've said twice (actually more) now. How was it not a rebuttal or is being mad again your only way to coax me into leaving you alone? The part I placed in bold makes no sense, since I'm waiting for more info yet not a defender, also most who take your line of reasoning are fanatical fans. Also you quoted me if you think I'm just perpetuating an argument I've already offered to help put me on ignore, but if you want me to let you be why quote me? Also if you don't like people speaking against you why post at all on a public forum?
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Stick to what's known. Saying that we "need" to or should know more about GT6 is one thing. But, making presumptions about the final outcome of GT6 without knowing what a whole lot of people are asking/wondering about isn't the right way to go about it. Either stop saying that others are wrong and you're right (I really can't articulate any better about it because I'm tired right now) or stop "attacking" (like I said about articulating) others for saying that we don't have enough information and we shouldn't be judging something we're not sure of.
Let's wait until the next round of information given by Kaz/PD, then we'll see. First, most of us, including me, thought that the Brazil Game Show would just be another event for the racing pods and MORE GAMEPLAY (visually and physics-wise). Then, we find out something huge and were given a hint about what would come there before it even happened, and yet, some people were still saying it wasn't going to happen AS it was happening. Let's just wait till SEMA comes around and the other events that a person or two (a few) know about but can't give any information about, so that we can be GIVEN more information about GT6 before saying that GT6 won't bring any more newsworthy features/content.
Ascari. Someone (the first person to realize it here before anyone else "on the net" and on GTP of all places 👍) should be given credit for that. It was months before we Knew it would come that it was "announced/confirmed" from that member and a lot of people (I was on the fence about it) put it off as wishful thinking or optimistic.
Just wait. Don't assume something won't be implemented with the information we don't have and don't assume we'll be getting no more worthy news before... let's say late November. ASCARI!
@Jordan
I posted about this another time before, but is it possible that we'll be getting that Ascari track and Ascari cars? I wanted to answer somebody when they asked, but I wasn't sure if it could be answered yet.
It's very possible that we won't...
wink uh wink
Let's wait until the next round of information given by Kaz/PD, then we'll see. First, most of us, including me, thought that the Brazil Game Show would just be another event for the racing pods and MORE GAMEPLAY (visually and physics-wise). Then, we find out something huge and were given a hint about what would come there before it even happened, and yet, some people were still saying it wasn't going to happen AS it was happening. Let's just wait till SEMA comes around and the other events that a person or two (a few) know about but can't give any information about, so that we can be GIVEN more information about GT6 before saying that GT6 won't bring any more newsworthy features/content.
Ascari. Someone (the first person to realize it here before anyone else "on the net" and on GTP of all places 👍) should be given credit for that. It was months before we Knew it would come that it was "announced/confirmed" from that member and a lot of people (I was on the fence about it) put it off as wishful thinking or optimistic.
Just wait. Don't assume something won't be implemented with the information we don't have and don't assume we'll be getting no more worthy news before... let's say late November. ASCARI!
@Jordan
I posted about this another time before, but is it possible that we'll be getting that Ascari track and Ascari cars? I wanted to answer somebody when they asked, but I wasn't sure if it could be answered yet.
It's very possible that we won't...
wink uh wink
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@Johnnypenso lol! 
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@Johnnypenso lol!
Do you know what you just laughed out loud at? Having a change of heart towards PD there Mr. Nice Guy?
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- kudos00
It's TokoTurismo. Never be surprised by them.
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What? I still like Kaz and PD.
It's good to laugh at humorous posts once and awhile, right? 
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What? I still like Kaz and PD.
lol sure, but laughing at cynical humour doesn't match up with your usual very highly jolly attitude towards Kaz... this something I'd expect you to give 👎👎... but whatever
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- Ardius_
GT6 will sell like hot cakes like every GT does, especially as its before Christmas.
Seeing as the vast majority of the people buying the game barely even frequent forums or websites for news on these games, then no, they really don't need to tell us anything.
Like I said, they only need to tell us enough to keep us talking about the game. Seeing as were talking about it right now I think they've told us enough
I'm sure a games developer can interact well with its community but it requires being very careful in everything they say or do. I don't blame any developer for not even bothering to go down that rabbit hole, especially when they are developing a game for the mass market who don't even login to forums that they would interact with anyway.
PCars is a much smaller target audience and relies very much more on the sim community to get behind it. It needs to build up a fanbase that will fund it so it benefits greatly for interacting with the community.
GT really doesn't need to do this at all. They could release GT6 with 10 tracks and 50 cars (see GT5 Prologue) and it will still sell like crazy.
I don't see many people getting offended that filmmakers or authors are not listening to them when they go watch a film or read a book. Why is this different for video games? Why do some people feel they should be listened to when it comes to the content of a game?
While its nice to feel involved with a game and being able to talk directly with developers, it shouldn't be seen as mandatory that everyone is expected to do. I find it quite selfish really that many people on the internet feel its somehow their right to be involved in the development process and that the game is somehow "theirs".
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Are you actually telling the guy off for laughing at the wrong things?
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Cynical humour? No no. I just found it funny. That's all.
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Mmmm no, I just found it very interesting that out of ALL people, the guy trying to neutralize every single post about Kaz/PD would effectively agree with that image. I couldn't believe my eyes which is why I made the reply. Sorry. The cynical posts by a few people here bug me... I say let some more info trickle in or wait until the game releases before making assumptions and knowing everything better. Like people coming on this forum who have never played GT must think it's a horrific title and GT6 will be a disaster, c'mon lot of good things if you don't look away from them so far.
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