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Senna's lotus 98t
Polyphony Digital partnership with Ayrton Senna Institute announced
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It's a lie!
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If EA hadn't selfishly grabbed Porsche then I think things might be quite different today.
And I say selfishly not just because they got Porsche just for themselves, but continue to do no justice to the brand by including only a handful of new Porsches to their games. At least Forza included the classics and the legendary Le Mans winners. You'd think Gran Turismo would do the same as well if they ever got a chance.
And I say selfishly not just because they got Porsche just for themselves, but continue to do no justice to the brand by including only a handful of new Porsches to their games. At least Forza included the classics and the legendary Le Mans winners. You'd think Gran Turismo would do the same as well if they ever got a chance.
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You might consider that the game is just a little over a month from release... closer than it's ever been!
Once again, I know I'm the oddball here, but I'm really excited over the prospect of getting a Gran Turismo game in which I know almost nothing. We still don't know if we're getting used cars! That's how little hard info we have about game content. But I like it. This is going to make GT6 like a treasure box when I open it, unless they give in and dump a whole load of info in the weeks upcoming. If they do, which isn't unlikely, I'm probably just going to give GT Planet a peek now and then. Which, bonus for some of you who are tired of me gushing about GT6. Free unfettered complaining!
As of midnight, GT6 is exactly six weeks away from release. If Kaz and SONY don't dump it all in our laps beforehand, that's really not a long time to wait.
You may want to take just a little more than a peek at it.. it may be a pup!! highly unlikely, but possible nonetheless.
Not only that, they don't even make them fun to drive.
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That is one beautiful car
Luckily for us Kaz was greedy enough to want to make $10's of Millions for himself by developing the GT franchise. Thank God for greed!!!
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Just stop. It's in bad taste.
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Let's poll Sony and PD. "You have a choice Kaz of one eSZee who plops down $50 to buy your game or 1000 people who only have good things to say about your venture but don't buy the game. Ok choose."
With enough GT buyers, Kaz can buy people to surround him all day and whisper sweet nothings in his ear, butter his toast and pre-chew his food. And buy a few more cars..
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Funny some how I thought I was in the Senna content thread. I guess I was wrong this is the commi V capi/ its all about the money thread.
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You've got to admit though that PDI are cashing-in on a popular name. That's all this content is at the moment - a mere name.
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Kaz elaborated the content would follow his career. To be fair, what game features have been announced? Its a racing game. So the objective is to win a race. I'm sure the "unique features" of Senna's career will follow that line of thought possibly among other things?
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So that means what? Kaz did say they wouldn't be treating the lead-up to GT6 like he/they did with GT5. But, everyone is makes these presumptions that offline mode will be the same, tuning won't be what "we" want it to be, the course maker isn't going to be as different and improved as some of us are expecting and so on.
Having said that, why aren't expectations being withheld until we're given more information whether it's after the game launches or just right before?
Again, Kaz did say that he doesn't want GT6 to be treated like GT5 was in regards to the information/misinformation leading up to its release.
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I fully understand what you write but for me the difficult part is not getting any information. Of course they don't need to create a hypetrain like they did for GT5 but they could provide some more details and confirm this by small bits of gameplay etc.
I personally don't need advertisements like I see for BF4 and COD4 but just some decent information would be very welcome. They don't have to make it bigger than it is but providing no information at all gives people all the room to speculate and to doubt a big AAA-title like GT6.
As I said before, I wait with buying the game because I was very disappointed by GT5 and I wait for members in here and GTRP to write their "reviews". As a potential customer I find it strange that the one who makes a product almost doesn't show it before he/she sells. It feels like buying a car were you only have seen the wheels and for the rest you believe what the salesman tells you on the phone. It's odd!
However PD has still a bit more than a month so many things could be revealed. We will have to wait and see!
I fully understand what you write but for me the difficult part is not getting any information. Of course they don't need to create a hypetrain like they did for GT5 but they could provide some more details and confirm this by small bits of gameplay etc.
I personally don't need advertisements like I see for BF4 and COD4 but just some decent information would be very welcome. They don't have to make it bigger than it is but providing no information at all gives people all the room to speculate and to doubt a big AAA-title like GT6.
As I said before, I wait with buying the game because I was very disappointed by GT5 and I wait for members in here and GTRP to write their "reviews". As a potential customer I find it strange that the one who makes a product almost doesn't show it before he/she sells. It feels like buying a car were you only have seen the wheels and for the rest you believe what the salesman tells you on the phone. It's odd!
However PD has still a bit more than a month so many things could be revealed. We will have to wait and see!
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I have the impression that Kaz may show some real info when either FM5 is released or when close to release. My thoughts.
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You know, he could address that by providing accurate and comprehensive information. That would be different to GT5.
Instead he's providing extremely broad and vague general statements only. Which is also different to GT5.
You can hardly blame people for making assumptions though. Generally when information is withheld about a product, it's for a reason. And usually not a good one, because if you have information about the product that would generate more sales then you'd get it out there.
Maybe it'll all turn out for the best. But from the state of the last product and the reluctance to give any solid information on the current one, I think there's very good reasons to be dubious until shown reasons to be otherwise.
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No games company should ever release "accurate" information. Every time they ever do, they get crucified for it when they have to pull content at the last minute. And there is always content that doesn't make it. Better to keep quiet and give vague statements - sure the community ends up guessing or making assumptions, but at least they are not assumptions based on developer statements.
The people that get disappointed, who obsess over every detail of the game before launch tend to be disappointed no matter what you tell them anyway. Better to leave them to unfounded assumptions than give them ammunition if the game is missing something that was "promised".
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Luckily for us Kaz was greedy enough to want to make $10's of Millions for himself by developing the GT franchise. Thank God for greed!!!
Ya sure, it'd be nice if you actually meant that in a positive way.
Let's poll Sony and PD. "You have a choice Kaz of one eSZee who plops down $50 to buy your game or 1000 people who only have good things to say about your venture but don't buy the game. Ok choose."
With enough GT buyers, Kaz can buy people to surround him all day and whisper sweet nothings in his ear, butter his toast and pre-chew his food. And buy a few more cars..
Geez, have you any idea how many unfair business practices happen around the world everyday where somebody makes massive money at the expense of others?... I'll tell you 9/10 times North America has been the greediest place in the world in which so much 'unfair/fake' money has been 'made' through other countries (China would be one small example) in the last couple decades.. but you can check out Americas 'Debt Clock' if you got some spare time and figure out for yourself what it means... most people around the world work a lot harder for less money. The average Brazilian for instance can't even think about owning a Playstation.. fair? no... yes there a trillion factors when talking about world economy...obviously don't want to go there, just saying it's unfair for you to preach about greed because of a $60 game.
It's like you're catagorizing PD as some kind of government monopoloy.. I think they deserve every sale they get... sure they've been semi-lucky that the name Gran Turismo has sold itself so well and that it happend to be the only real racing game on Playstation, but now over the last few years we have a couple other games that can be considered direct competition, so it's up to PD to keep progessively working at it.. and I don't see anything that doesn't show they're doing exactly that!... (hopefully real sounds are currently being worked on)
And by all means, Kaz can add another couple nice cars to his garage when/if GT6 has sold well, I've got no personal problem with that.
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If they have to pull content at the last minute, then it's not accurate information is it?
I'm not sure you understood the context of my post. I was responding to the suggestion that I shouldn't complain and should be grateful that Kaz created GT5. I don't believe gratefulness is part of the equation. I paid my money, I got my product, I liked it, I'm happy. I don't need to slobber all over Kaz's feet to enjoy the game or refrain from talking about the parts of it I don't like. Blind loyalty isn't part of my make up.
GT was a "vision" for Kaz to be sure, but what made that vision come true was money flowing into the coffers. I don't begrudge him a single cent he makes, it's well earned.
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Ok, but there's quite a difference beteween complaining and spending endless hours on a GT fan site making claims that essentially say 'PD's got nothing right'... I've noticed almost all of your posts lean towards that. You seem very knowlegeable and you also know your stuff in motorsports ect., I just don't ever see any respect for the game you're on a forum for..(I haven't read all your 7000 posts so I may be wrong)
Tell me what racing game out there is perfect? I've had quite a lot of fun with GT since the third title, I've tried most PC titles but there's just sort of stale... other then that I've been quite involved in the real world with my cars so I've had alot of fun with that...
I just feel GT is headed towards a good place for us true motorsport enthusiasts. I've got nothing against people making respectful suggestions and aggressive complaints, but doing so repetitively leans towards rudeness.. that bothers me. Yes things only evolve with criticism and mistakes, I'm pretty sure though Kaz and his crew are fully aware of the top 10 things that need to be corrected, and yes it is perhaps a little strange that such a well funded developer has been sort of slow with everything over the last 8 years, they 'should' have been able to deliver more faster.
The key thing to me though is that they're staying true to achieving the real driving simulator status, I mean with so many collaboration with the auto industry their assets look mighty fine. And I'm not driven by blind loyalty, I just respect the overall work PD has done (not just the game), I see a bright future ahead. But I hope you get the product you're paying for, for all the critical talking/suggesting/demanding you do I sure hope so.
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That's why I put the word accurate in quotes. Its impossible to be accurate. There are lots of reasons why content changes or doesn't make the final game. Some of those reasons they cannot tell us about for legal reasons or simply to be professional. Sometimes we won't like the reasons the content has been delayed or taken out.
There is no benefit to the developer from telling us anything beyond keeping us interested enough to talk about the game.
I also personally feel that people seem to take video games in particular quite personally. The more the developers engage with their community, the more people seem to get this sense of entitlement. The more the developers "listen", the more people seem to think they are in control of the direction of the game design and seem to take offense when it doesn't match what they expect.
While developers would always do well to listen and keep track of what the community has to say, it has to be done with a great deal of subtlety to avoid these issues. If that means being vague with their information, then so be it.
We are owed nothing, they have no obligation to tell us anything.
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I did not follow the lead-up to GT5 all that closely but I was reinforcing the point that considering the timing of the announcement, PD are indeed cashing in on Senna's name to sell GT6, without announcing associated features.
Why shouldn't they be the assumptions when PD give us no examples otherwise? They are the ones who are wanting to sell the game to us, and presumably want to demonstrate that GT6 addresses the shortfalls of GT5.
They try to sell the game on expectations, many buy the game based on expectations. When there is no information provided so close to the release, people will naturally expect that there is something that might be awry.
I think having a PR representative who can give a straight answer to a question might help them as far as avoiding misinformation is concerned. Merely releasing little to no information much doesn't solve PD's dilemma here, because they've already had PR blunders despite the minimal amount they've actually announced.
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