Porsche Not in FM4 Confirmed (Originally Porsche may be in Forza 4. Check this out).

I see exactly what he means as I was just mulling over the same thing not too long ago: Ruf, no matter how individually unique they are, never comes across as being anything other than "the alternative"; I can see the sense behind it to some degree as Ruf doesn't have as rich of a history as Porsche but at the same time Ruf has it's own rich history: the Yellowbird, BTR Type II, CTR 2, etc. It's almost as if the two are incapable of occupying the same space -- part of that is probably down to the many misinformed that think Ruf is nothing more than a tuner like 9ff or Gemballa and would consider it a waste as having Porsche in the game twice with one being under a pseudonym.

If you can't get Porsche then you can get Ruf and while I don't see an immediate problem with that logic, I do kind of have a problem with the precedent. Why not have both? If no one understands Ruf then tough on them is my opinion on the matter...

I hate to say I told you, but...

It was clear, after all EA was a bit aggressive with its branding strategies, shown since the new Pagani, needless to say, they need to ensure a unique brand for newer Shift and NFS instalments.

Yeah, I figured, as soon as I saw RUF in FM4, that there wouldn't be any Porsches.

And I will agree with Terronium and that it is kinda stupid that the two can't be in the same game at the same time. And, I believe, that is trick started by Polyphony Digital in GT2 and later copied by the likes of TDU and TDU2 and know FM4.

But, who knows, maybe with FM5 we'll have both Porsche and RUF.

Microsoft has A Ferrari license, but it's not exclusive as PD has a license, as well. I believe EA tried to reobtain the exclusive licenses with Lambo and Ferrari, but both said "No" with Lambo saying they'd never do the exclusive license thing again, and I believe Ferrari just didn't like the way their cars were represented in NFS. I thought that Ferrari had mentioned they didn't want to have and exclusive license, as well, but I was obviously mistaken 'cause MS bought one...and then promptly "relinquished it" which....I think was more Ferrari's doing than Microsoft's.
 
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There should be no excusivity about cars. That is just stupid and really childish play by the companies. Like that is mine and you cant have it. We have to convince Porsche to take the licence back, so that serious games like FM and GT can use Porsche too. On the other hand, Microsoft should also give the Ferrari licence back.

EA is a company that delivers bs without breaks. Their big franchise get worse every year and they dont care, because everyone buys their stuff.

It is fair to say that it wasnt PDs fault that there is no Porsche in GT5 and now they try to kick Turn10 in the face. Screw them and this company should no longer be that successful. They make massive money from bs-games and I will not choose my games by manufacturers in it.
 
Kinda getting tired of EA & Porsche. I think if they were smart they'd free themselves up so they can decide what racing games deserve them. I guess Porsche don't care and don't see what kind of money is to be made...really I myself need clarification on that

Agreed. EA are only using it for NFS, which doesn't make very good games any more. Why doesn't Porsche let someone else have it.
 
Glad your happy SuperShouden.

Yep says a lot doesn't it. I could never be happy about any racing games lacking features as I buy them all and want them all to be as good as possible. Proof, if it was even needed, that his opinion on all things Forza should not be given too much weight.

It's this sort of opinion that is the bane of these discussions. There are certain people on both sides of the debate who just can't be objective.
 
Boycotting Battlefield 3 is such a good idea! I mean, there are so many Porsche cars in it!

Sarcarsm, do you speak it?

P.S. EA did do a Porsche only game, NFS5 I think, I don't remember it being anything more than brand cars driving on imaginary tracks, but looks like Porsche never forgot that, so maybe that's why they still let EA represent them.
 
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Anyone who loves Forza and was sitting on the fence with an EA game have had there minds made up.

If it goes mainstream sites I expect a response from EA.

Could turn into a big pissing contest. Lol.
 
IGN is now reporting on this, maybe this will upset EA a little.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/119/1190348p1.html

Lol that got fast up. I believe that there are some FM fans at IGN.

The thing is, thanks to EA, Porsche couldnt be included in several games like TDU 1 + 2, GT 4 + 5, Race Pro, Driver and now FM 4. It is not just FM, it affects the whole business.

The MS license for Ferrari is just on XBOX and not as damaging as the thing EA is doing. Not even comparable. TDU, PGR and several other games have Ferrari on the XBOX.

EA only wants to damage the market and need Porsche to sell their games. All news sites have to bring this, because those license things are mostly held in the dark, without letting the community know.

Another thing mentioned by Dan Greenwalt was that many games doesnt have the licenses for their tracks and this is the reason for FM and GTs tiny roster. Maybe there should be a background check on Shift to see, if they are doing some illegal stuff there.
 
Merged with the original discussion thread as this is a continuation of that very topic.


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If Gran Turismo fans went through the years with no Porche cars in the game, and still enjoyed it immensely, so can Forza fans.

It's sad, but not the end of the world. There are other cars on the road.
 
If Gran Turismo fans went through the years with no Porche cars in the game, and still enjoyed it immensely, so can Forza fans.

It's sad, but not the end of the world. There are other cars on the road.

It is a difference when it was in all previous FM titles and now got taken out. If GT would have had Porsche inbefore and now taken, there would be the same uproar.

It is not the end of the world, but it is quite bad to get something taken away than not getting it in the first place. Especially in such a cruel and hidden way. EA doesnt say in the public that they cant have it, if Dan Greenwalt wouldnt have said it, nobody would know, like with PD.
 
Hey, I understand the uproar, I just don't treat this as a personal attack on Forza fans. Every company does something like this, this is how they strengthen their IPs. Dare I say T10 is doing the same thing (like you said, but think it's not as damaging).
 
Dang.

I think they were waiting to settle the licensing agreement before they confirmed or denied.
Exactly. Dan said they've tried to settle it numerous times in tthe last 18 months.

The War isn't over, they could very well come to an agreement down the line with Shift 3 and DLC for FM4.
I doubt it, but let's hope MS is giving EA a bit of hell with the Ferrari license, at least.

I know it is always about money, but if Porsche is rolling in it, why do they need EA's?
I think it's still due to the NFS: Porsche Unleashed licensing deal. I wonder, though: Did EA get some sort of lifetime deal? I mean, it should have to expire somewhen.

2) now the Forza fbs are in the same place as the GT fbs: no Porsche.
See, I could deal with the loss of Porsche perfectly fine, but people like you annoy me to no end with that kind of mischievous attitude. As sad as it may be, that would be reason enough for me to really moan the loss of Porsche.

If people didn't go, "Well, GT sucks 'cause it doesn't have Porsches, but FM does have Porsches so it's better than GT." EVERY TIME a GT game is released, then I wouldn't have to make such a comment. But, it REALLY does get annoying when people make that argument over and over and over and over.
You know, maybe it was brought up because it was true? Just saying. Having Porsche was a big plus, and I bet not only in my book.

The standard and premium issue is constantly used as an argument against GT5, too, so are you hoping that Forza will do the same and port cars from FM1?

Wasn't Porsche in financial trouble a few years ago?
Porsche tried to buy out the VW AG and failed, resulting in massive financial losses. These, in turn, caused Porsche to be integrated into the VW AG. They're doing mighty fine now.

Well, before I had no plans on getting NFS: The Run. Now I'm actively hoping it's panned by the gaming press and is a sales disaster, though there's a good chance of one or both happening (There are reasons no one's tried putting Quick Time Events in a racing game before, you know...).
I doubt that it's going to fail. NFS is way to popular with the casual crowd and, more importantly, does a decent bit of advertising to make sure it sells well.

GT doesnt suck because it has no Porsches. It did it all on its own. So I can list 100 reasons, without putting the no Porsche argument in there. Your welcome.

To be honest, I would rather have Porsche in the game than Ferrari.
Agreed on both points. Porsche was just another thing FM had over GT, not the primary reason I've enjoyed it more.

If you can't get Porsche then you can get Ruf and while I don't see an immediate problem with that logic, I do kind of have a problem with the precedent. Why not have both? If no one understands Ruf then tough on them is my opinion on the matter...
If I was the CEO of RUF I'd be royally PO'd about this, to be quite honest. Being treated like a substitute brand for Porsche wouldn't exactly be what I'd want for my brand.

EA is a company that delivers bs without breaks. Their big franchise get worse every year and they dont care, because everyone buys their stuff.
That's why I don't need to boycott them, Shift 2 was the last EA game I've bought, and it'll stay that way for a long, long time. Because their games don't appeal to me in the slightest, 99% of the time :lol:

IGN is now reporting on this, maybe this will upset EA a little.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/119/1190348p1.html
I sincerly doubt that EA is going to be unsettled by anything about the matter. Right now, I could imagine EA's CEO is like this:
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If Gran Turismo fans went through the years with no Porche cars in the game, and still enjoyed it immensely, so can Forza fans.

It's sad, but not the end of the world. There are other cars on the road.
Agreed, while I hate to see Porsche go, it's not a deal breaker for me, not by a long shot. Now, if BMW or Nissan was out...

It is a difference when it was in all previous FM titles and now got taken out. If GT would have had Porsche inbefore and now taken, there would be the same uproar.
Agreed, too. The FM crowd just isn't used to it, yet.

All in all, it sucks that EA kept the license to themselves, this time around. But, they've tried to break into the sim racing market with Shift 2, so it probably makes sense that they're trying to hurt the competition as much as they can now. It still annoys me quite a bit, and the inly "saving grace" for me (so to speak), is the fact that I've previously used maybe two to three out of the 35 Porsche in FM3, so the loss isn't a big one for me. I'll still miss those cars, though, no questions asked.

At the end of the day, I just have to ask myself: How long can EA's exclusive rights to Porsche last?
 
I find it very disappointing that neither of the two top tier racing sim franchises on the console features Porsche. It's all business, at the end of the day, and EA have to look after Need for Speed. It's more annoying from the point of view many Porsche fans will have played Forza and now find themselves without their "brand".
 
Considering there were two (now one) threads about the matter...not sure if serious or stupid.
 
You guys should know im a huge Porsche fan. Huge. So this news upsets me and pisses me off. Personally it makes the alms sponsorship deal make no sense. 1 entire class gone (gt-c) while some top and winning gt cars are also gone.. just as the older prototype rs spyder.
Then you got the historic porsches like the epic le mans v12 cars to the awesome street cars, most of which ruf has never touched.

And then I read some posts here and slap myself for the idiotic comments. You can tell brand loyalist are smiling with glee right now and that is not just sad but also pathetic.
Why would someone be happy for a racing sim to not feature one of the world's winningest brands in motorsports? Why don't people get that its Porsche that has the racing pedigree, NOT RUF? I can go on but what's the point? Sad day for me... going to hold out on hope that porsches comes via dlc. But ea is officially back on my **** list.
 
Sad news. I still hope that some agreement can be struck further down the line and we at least get a few Porsches via DLC.

Until that day, EA are getting no more money from me. My Battlefield 3 pre-order is cancelled and there's no way I'm buying Fifa, Madden or any future Shift/NFS games while EA continues to try and damage gaming.
 
It was obvious Porshe was not going to be in Forza 4 so this doesnt surprise me at all. Not a big deal since I really only have maybe a couple Porshe out of the entire game. We will start to see this more often thanks to EA. Luckily Forza 4 gets Lamborghinis for Forza 4. But I wouldnt be surprised if this is the last Forza to get Lamborghinis with the way the licensing is going with racing games and EA.
 
I don't know, as far as I know, the Porsche exclusivity (is that even a word?) still hails from NFS: Porsche Unleashed, so it's hard to imagin that they're going to just get themselves exclusive rights to Lamborghini. I doubt that MS is just going to stand there idly why EA tries to get ahold of more and more brands for just themselves.

I hope so, at least.
 
No it wasn't obvious camaroboy. If people followed logic they'd question if porsches were in but there was enough there to say it was. From the huge backing by t10 to this infamous hd trailer pic (was it a porsche or a ruf?) To the latest alms sponsorship deal. If one were to assume it was the brand was in. Ruf existing in the game was no proof.

Sadly now we know and sad panda is sad.

Lambo I believe came out and said they will no longer do exclusive deals with their brand over their experiences. So don't count on that. I think it'll be porsche and ferraris who will be the brands tossed around like that
 
Now, when GT6 comes along and people go "Well, GT doesn't have any Porsches." I can go: "Well, FM4 doesn't have Porsche, either."

Talk about childish priorities. I would think the most important thing to people would be "it would be great if we could have all the cars in all the games" instead of "na na na na boo boo". I remember that attitude from elementary school.

EVERY TIME a GT game is released

Only one GT game has been released since Forza was introduced. GT5. How is it EVERY TIME a GT game is released. That insinuates it has happened more than once.

I hate to say I told you, but...

It was clear, after all EA was a bit aggressive with its branding strategies, shown since the new Pagani, needless to say, they need to ensure a unique brand for newer Shift and NFS instalments.

LOL, you didn't tell anybody. Nobody knew what the outcome was. Everyone knew that Porsche could be in, or could not be in. Nobody said, yeah, it's in.
 
I for one won't particularly miss the absence of Porsche, RUF make a good car that's so very similar and will easily fill the 911 void if I was worried about 911s. It'd be like complaining about having no HSV GTS coupe when there is a Vauxhall Monaro VXR, almost indentical. Although the loss of classic, non-911 Porsches is a shame indeed.
To me, the cars added so far add to the value of the game much more than the loss of value of Porsche and subsitution with RUF.
Just to add to my thoughts, I can't believe how pathetic it is that ANYONE could EVER own the rights to something that isn't theirs. If Porsche want their cars in FM4, there should be nothing legally stopping them, it's rediculous. The same goes with Bathurst, and since EA has that as well I guess it's out the window for FM4 since they're all at each others' throats.

I also wonder how RUF feels in all this, that they're only good enough and worth adding if Porsche isn't available, I actually feel sorry for RUF, and glad at the same time that they'll now get their moment in the spotlight.
 
I think people are really missing how this affects racing games in general, if EA are willing to pull it from a series that has had it from the start, what chance does it give Gran Turismo to get the licence at all now? Or new games from other publishers?

This has far wider reaching consequences than "lol definitive turn 10 lololo" trolling.
 
I think people are really missing how this affects racing games in general, if EA are willing to pull it from a series that has had it from the start, what chance does it give Gran Turismo to get the licence at all now? Or new games from other publishers?

This has far wider reaching consequences than "lol definitive turn 10 lololo" trolling.

Not really, this is a beef between T10 and EA, so PD could still potentially reason them down in the future for future games.
 
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