Porsche will not be in GT5
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When you buy a "brand" you inherently get the rights to everything made under that name in the past. So I'd say yes... all these could be in (legally):
http://www.bugatti.com/en/tradition/bugatti-models.html
The type 35 and 54 would be great stuff
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Just like having the license for McLaren means you may have the F1 and the new 2011 McLaren MP4-12C
http://www.bugatti.com/en/tradition/bugatti-models.html
The type 35 and 54 would be great stuff
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Just like having the license for McLaren means you may have the F1 and the new 2011 McLaren MP4-12C
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Not looking good if this is true.
Not looking good if this is true.
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In another thread, it was stated that the EA licence with Porsche expires in March. Weather this is true or not i have no idea, but it could explain why the release of GT5 has been delayed until March, and why we have not seen any Porsche in the promotional clips so far.
Pure speculation on my part, but it could also be the reason why we once had a 950 car total, and now its gone to over 1000.
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Hmmmm, interesting point there. Its yet another interesting twist that makes reasonable sense.
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Before that idea gets out of hand (as this thread has a way of going), the poster in that thread responded when the source was questioned, with the following:
"Nothing official, but it's from Neogaf."
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Absolutely, and some people here (not you or Ripping) have a habit of half reading things and running with it as certain fact to rationalise their expectations. I was just bringing things back into perspective (i.e: that as of now it's rumour) for those who haven't seen the other post. We all know how "facts" from GTP reach all ends of the internet.
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I didn't take your comment as unequivocal fact, but after i read it in the other thread, a few things kind of fell into place, for me.
I certainly am not one to fuel speculation either, as thats all it is. Nonetheless, an interesting point of discussion.
But then i heard the trees would have reverse lights when it rained at night too.
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I must say, for me it was the same. Just wanted to make sure those not up to speed didn't come in here and run with half the facts.
But then i heard the trees would have reverse lights when it rained at night too.
50 quid that'll be up on IGN as fact tomorrow
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Here's a thought:
In GT4, the only McLaren F1 was titled a BMW - "BMW McLaren F1 ..." - the FINA one. EA has had various versions of the McLaren F1 in the Need for Speed games. Perhaps EA had some license control over the Big Mac and the FINA BMW McLaren was the only F1 that PD could get without too much trouble from EA at the time? PD may have been able to acquire it throught their BMW license.
If that is true, then those troubles apperantly passed as the original F1 roadcar has made it into GT5 (see news.) And if those troubles can pass, so can the Porsche troubles.
A stretch, but hey.
In GT4, the only McLaren F1 was titled a BMW - "BMW McLaren F1 ..." - the FINA one. EA has had various versions of the McLaren F1 in the Need for Speed games. Perhaps EA had some license control over the Big Mac and the FINA BMW McLaren was the only F1 that PD could get without too much trouble from EA at the time? PD may have been able to acquire it throught their BMW license.
If that is true, then those troubles apperantly passed as the original F1 roadcar has made it into GT5 (see news.) And if those troubles can pass, so can the Porsche troubles.
A stretch, but hey.
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Yes they can, but they haven't. Not in time for GT5 at least, that much has been confirmed by both Kazunori and Porsche.
There's a chance they will appear as DLC, but it's more likely that if we are to see them in GT then in all likelyhood GT6 is the next nearest game we'll get that chance.
There's a chance they will appear as DLC, but it's more likely that if we are to see them in GT then in all likelyhood GT6 is the next nearest game we'll get that chance.
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There's plenty of Evidence, Kaz said they couldn't get them and a prominent employee of Porsche in plenty of detail explained that thier deal with EA is the reason Porsche arn't in. He said that they'd love to be in Gran Turismo, but they simply can't be at this point in time and it's upto EA to decide if they sub let the license to Sony or not and they didn't want to.There's no evidence either way. For all we know, PD could have over a dozen Porsches modeled and ready to roll and all they have to do is pull the trigger. Or it could be completely out of the question.
I'm not going to be too optimistic but I'm not willing to say GT6
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I didn't think Kaz confirmed either the inclusion or exclusion of Porsche in GT5? If you have a source where he says this, please don't cite it
so I can pretend there's hope. *edit* I am vaguely recalling some article where he mentions licensing isses...The correspondence with Porsche clerifies the current situation, not the situation as it may be 3 or even 1 month from now. If I recall correctly that was from much earlier in 2009, so the situation could have changed already. Especially if Porsche actually wanted it to, and a contract expired etc etc. Super speculation abound.
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Nothing necessarily prevents PD from modelling Porsches, they just can't be implemented in the game. For every vehicle we do get in a GT game there are probably about as many that never come into play due to licensing issues. Personally, if I were PD, I would try to negotiate with EA into allowing a sublet of the license; having an important mainstream sports car manufacturer left out of the line-up due to such a simple issue is ridiculous.
However there are enough variations of RUF, Gemballa, Hamann and TechArt models to essentially replicate Porsche's lineup (albeit an aesthetically different and generally vastly up-powered one).
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+100000000, I just think Sony would be too stubborn to pay EA.. and I wouldn't put it past EA to just deny them the sub-license all together.
Unfortunately this won't work - it's discussed a couple thousand posts ago here. RUF is in the game because they are essentially their own brand producing a unique product - based on a Porsche. It has it's own new VIN etc. All of the brands you are listing modify the car but do not make their own vehicle so to speak. To feature them would require the license to Porsche.
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I know Kaz said he wants to release a full game (as in not having to have download content), but since there will be download content of some kind anyway, I very much doubt Sony would have let him miss the christmas business only because he wanted to get a Porsche license.
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Perhaps, but we'll never know that for sure unless Sony or PD confess to that. In my opinion I think that it was becuase they decided to implement extra features such as weather or not, heck they have only just decided to implement that. But you make a very valid point though. 👍
I guess thats true. But will there really be downloadable content? I'm not questioning, I'm just curious because I've never been sure on that.
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I'm sure GT5 will have plenty of DLC mainly because GT5P had lots of content added through updating. *edit* Just realized - Kaz has said there are currently no plans for DLC.. but updates are not DLC. And with GT5P the updates included free content so there's a thought.
That's what I have kept in mind.
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That is true. (Well, pretty much)
One of the members on here spent his time emailing Porsche and EA (Who was it, i forgot your name again
), chasing it all up, finding out what is going on. Its probably on around page 70 on this thread. EA own the rights, Turn10 and many other developers were given sub-licenses at EA's discretion - according to Porsche (It was their reply to asking why Turn10 had Porsches in Forza). Porsche leave all video game related decisions up to EA until the contract runs out. Sony/PD must have tried to get the license through EA at some point. EA are well within their rights to refuse a sub-license for any reason (Not just financial), even if its a grudge against PD for showing their NFS series up. EA have not commented on it as far as i'm aware.
The license to EA was rumoured to be 10 years, but there is no evidence to support this, that bit is not fact.
The simple fact is, the motor industry in Japan has a different attitude to video games, they see it as a privelage and essentially free advertising of their models. In the west things are a little less civilised, you need money for a license or you get nowhere.
I remember reading an article/interview about the early days of GT. Kaz essentially started ringing up different car companies asking for licenses so the cars could be featured in the game. Obviously the likes of Ferrari, Porsche etc. shrugged it off like it wasn't worth their effort unless they were getting money from them (Which obviously PD didn't have at the time). EA capitalised on this by spending the cash, they acquired many licenses in the late 90s, not just Porsche. So there you go.
What makes me wonder is how nearly 15 years down the line, PD have still as yet failed to acquire the license for Porsche. For all we know negotiations with EA could still be going, or the contract could be up soon and PD might have several cars modelled and textured etc. ready for the game. The theory goes, the delay for GTs release was down to the extra time required to get a license. But i doubt it, if we ever see them it will be via DLC, which you will have to pay seperately. (Though from info given by amar, if i interpreted it right, if you buy the premium/limited edition version of GT for a higher price on release, any future DLC will be free).
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...as long as you want 911's
How about the 917, 962, 935, 959, 944, 928, 914/6 or Carrera GTs?
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Close enough? Meh i guess its not, i want a Carrera GT too
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