Post any oddities you've noticed in GT 2

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I guess the oddity in the above post is that somebody actually tried to race a stock Phaeton!:lol:
:D Yeah. I guess sometimes I tend to get crazy!

Now I just noticed something odd. When you go to check the stock spring rates of the Mini Cooper 1.3i all you see is blank spaces where the numbers should be!
That's because the Mini DOESN'T have springs in real life. It has some sort of rubber cones instead. I think that this type of suspension was called "Hydrolast" or something. It ain't Polyphony's mistake.
 
Ha! Mystery solved! What was the mystery? Why does the BMW 528i suck so bad?!? I mean, it's supposed to have like 190hp stock but it only gets 138hp, and with low rpms and a huge drop in power to redline.

Upon closer inspection, what PD gave us is actually the 525tds (diesel). Compare: PD 528i peak hp 138 @ 4500rpm, torque 281 N-m at 2000rpm. 525tds according to wikipedia peak hp 141hp @ 4600rpm, torque 280 N-m at 2200rpm.

Of course, the real mystery may be why they didn't give us the 540i...
 
I guess the oddity in the above post is that somebody actually tried to race a stock Phaeton!:lol:

At Laguna Seca no less. I doubt that boat could even make the entry turn into the pit even if it were on super-softs.

Now I just noticed something odd. When you go to check the stock spring rates of the Mini Cooper 1.3i all you see is blank spaces where the numbers should be! Working backwards from the sports suspension rates, which normally multiply stock by 1.5, I'd guess the stock Cooper sits on 3.2kg/mm front, 2.7 rear. Which might also be considered an oddity, since this puts the Cooper up there with the sportiest of sports cars in terms of stock springs per kg of car mass. That sucker is tuned to handle! And sits at only 105mm, also super low, haven't yet noticed anything else which sits that low stock, Spoon Civic and Integra, TRD3000GT, and AZ-1 A-Spec are closest at 115mm.

The Mini doesn't use coils or torsion bars, it has "hydrolastic gas spheres" instead. They are fluid-filled chambers (kinda like dampers I suppose) and maybe PD didn't know how to calculate them.
 
Another nerdy technical observation which strikes me as odd...

What's the difference between the Corvette Coupe '96 and the Corvette Grand Sport '96? (which are both actually '97 models, the only year to get the 330hp LT4...) Besides the paint job.

Answer: the Grand Sport sits on 225/50R16's stock, while the Coupe sits on 235/50R16's !!! So the Coupe has better lateral grip by a smidgen and is actually a little faster in lap times! Same weight, same spring rates, same downforce (probably same dimensions though PD added 30mm to the length of the Coupe on the specs page...) But the Coupe's cheaper!

Also slightly faster in 400m and 1000m but not really significant since it's due to the fact the the Coupe's slightly larger tires means it shifts a little later than the Grand Sport and it just happens that in the 400m the Grand Sport is shifting into 4th at the very end and in the 1000m the Grand Sport is shifting into 5th at the very end, so in both events the Coupe gets to save a shift and so shaves .1 off the 400m time and .14 off the 1000m time.
 
Hey, I said it was a nerdy observation!:lol:

Yup, I've been testing cars with my gear ratio/speed/tire size calculator. Enter the gear ratios and the AT shift point (6600 rpms in this case), take it to the max speed test, and record your speed when it shifts. Then fiddle with tire diameter until the calculated shift speeds match the observed shift speeds. The Grand Sport comes up with 24.86 inches as the tire diameter as the best fit, and the Coupe as 25.25 inches, and the difference is noticeable. With the same stock gearing, the Grand Sport shifts into 3rd at 79mph, and the Coupe at 81mph, for example. Basically the best I can estimate is to within 0.05-0.1 inches and still get the calculations to fit observations, so sometimes I have to guess at the final tire size, but usually there are only a couple options and it's pretty clear what the tire size has to be.

One more observational point confirms the shift point (rpms), I calculate a speed at some fixed rpms in top gear (say 5500) and watch as the needle just hits and passes that point, and record this observed speed, too. I know for sure the tire size has to give a calculation close to this speed, and if it does but doesn't for the shift points, then I know I've guessed the shift point wrong. That's how I know the shift point is 6600 and not 6575 or 6625.

24.86 inch diameter tires could be:
225/55R15 = 24.74 inches, too small, and unlikely that wheel is 15"
225/50R16 = 24.86
205/55R16 = 24.88 inches, certainly common on less sporty cars, but kind of weak for a corvette
225/45R17 = 24.97 inches, would be nice, but too big

25.25 inch diameter tires could be:
actually lots of ridiculous things, like 165/55R18 or 225/80R11, but most likely:
215/60R15 = 25.16, nah too fat and wheel too small for a sports car
235/55R15 = 25.18, again, R15 unlikely, and visually the Coupe and Grand Sport appear to have the same size wheels
195/60R16 = 25.21, too skinny and high profile
235/50R16 = 25.25
295/40R16 = 25.29, sounds like a nice tire for a sports car with 16" wheels, but too different from the Grand Sport to make sense
215/55R16 = 25.31 another possible candidate, except in lap time testing the Coupe was indeed faster, so it's unlikely this would be the correct tire since it's less sporty than a 225/50R16, not more sporty

As a point of trivia, I've worked through the Alfas, Aston Martins, Audis, BMW's, and Chevy's now, and the V8 Vantage has the best tires by far, 285/45R17's, which is also close to what they're supposed to be, 285/45R18's in real life stock. Only rarely did PD give the exact real life tires to GT2's cars, but usually they were very close. The Corvette is the worst deviation by far that I've yet see, since it's supposed to be on 285/40R17's.
 
Nice find Jeff. So PD was accurate with most cars. And now I will go play GT2. Off topic-> Btw could you send me all the pm's for the laptime challenge? thanks.
 
Yeah, very close to accurate, anyway, and since tire sizes change when you go from normals to sports/slicks (which are all the same size) and again when you Race Modify, if it's not the right tire stock but close then it's usually the right tire when you swap on the slicks.

Just a few of the ones I've done so far as examples (stock, not sports/slicks):
145 Cloverleaf, supposed to be 195/55R15, and it is!
155 2.0, supposed to be 205/50R15, and it's 195/50R15
156, supposed to be 205/60R15, the 2.0 is 205/55R16, the 2.5 and 3.0 are 205/60R15 as they should be
GTV, supposed to be 205/50R16, is 215/50R15
DB7, supposed to be 245/40R18, is 225/45R17
A3, supposed to be 195/65R15, and it is!
320ci also what is should be, 205/55R16

...

you get the idea.
 
Hey, I said it was a nerdy observation!:lol:

Yup, I've been testing cars with my gear ratio/speed/tire size calculator. Enter the gear ratios and the AT shift point (6600 rpms in this case), take it to the max speed test, and record your speed when it shifts. Then fiddle with tire diameter until the calculated shift speeds match the observed shift speeds. The Grand Sport comes up with 24.86 inches as the tire diameter as the best fit, and the Coupe as 25.25 inches, and the difference is noticeable. With the same stock gearing, the Grand Sport shifts into 3rd at 79mph, and the Coupe at 81mph, for example. Basically the best I can estimate is to within 0.05-0.1 inches and still get the calculations to fit observations, so sometimes I have to guess at the final tire size, but usually there are only a couple options and it's pretty clear what the tire size has to be.

One more observational point confirms the shift point (rpms), I calculate a speed at some fixed rpms in top gear (say 5500) and watch as the needle just hits and passes that point, and record this observed speed, too. I know for sure the tire size has to give a calculation close to this speed, and if it does but doesn't for the shift points, then I know I've guessed the shift point wrong. That's how I know the shift point is 6600 and not 6575 or 6625.

24.86 inch diameter tires could be:
225/55R15 = 24.74 inches, too small, and unlikely that wheel is 15"
225/50R16 = 24.86
205/55R16 = 24.88 inches, certainly common on less sporty cars, but kind of weak for a corvette
225/45R17 = 24.97 inches, would be nice, but too big

25.25 inch diameter tires could be:
actually lots of ridiculous things, like 165/55R18 or 225/80R11, but most likely:
215/60R15 = 25.16, nah too fat and wheel too small for a sports car
235/55R15 = 25.18, again, R15 unlikely, and visually the Coupe and Grand Sport appear to have the same size wheels
195/60R16 = 25.21, too skinny and high profile
235/50R16 = 25.25
295/40R16 = 25.29, sounds like a nice tire for a sports car with 16" wheels, but too different from the Grand Sport to make sense
215/55R16 = 25.31 another possible candidate, except in lap time testing the Coupe was indeed faster, so it's unlikely this would be the correct tire since it's less sporty than a 225/50R16, not more sporty

As a point of trivia, I've worked through the Alfas, Aston Martins, Audis, BMW's, and Chevy's now, and the V8 Vantage has the best tires by far, 285/45R17's, which is also close to what they're supposed to be, 285/45R18's in real life stock. Only rarely did PD give the exact real life tires to GT2's cars, but usually they were very close. The Corvette is the worst deviation by far that I've yet see, since it's supposed to be on 285/40R17's.

My sir... you should be stickied for all the research you have done and the advancements you have brought to our knowledge of GT2... I love how much you work.
 
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2. When racing in the "Tuned Turbo" at Test Track, I've noticed that occaisionally I manage to exit onto the main straight "perfectly" and receive an added speed boost, sometimes to over 30 kph more than the cars previous top speed. I'm not sure if this is some kind of reward for holding a perfect line or not and have not experienced this on any other track.

Sorry to quote an old post, but I just wanted to say, this has happened to me too (I used to grind that race a lot). It usually always happened when I was in second and gave me an extra 5-6 mph (up to the rev limited).

It's probably just drafting (and thus intentional), not a glitch.
 
To the posts above re: higher top speed at the Test Track, were you not in 1st at the time? You could be experiencing some of the rubber band effect, did GT2 have it for player controlled cars?
 
To the posts above re: higher top speed at the Test Track, were you not in 1st at the time? You could be experiencing some of the rubber band effect, did GT2 have it for player controlled cars?

Only the AI opponents will get a boost in handling and speed (Rubberbanding).

And quite a bit of it I should add.
 
Something I found odd just now.

I find it odd that a NTSC copy of GT2 recognised my PAL save, and loaded it. I now got random cars in my garage. How odd.
 
Something I found odd just now.

I find it odd that a NTSC copy of GT2 recognised my PAL save, and loaded it. I now got random cars in my garage. How odd.

Lol. What kind of "random" cars.
 
Lol. What kind of "random" cars.

They're cars you could earn normally in the game, but it seems the cars that were in my PAL save were changed into other cars.

So it looks like PAL and 1.2 are close very together.
 
They're cars you could earn normally in the game, but it seems the cars that were in my PAL save were changed into other cars.

So it looks like PAL and 1.2 are close very together.

Weird...
 
This may have already been stated but the Citroen Saxo VTS is called Saxo F2 Kit Car when racing modded.

By the way what an awesome informatic post there Jeff Goddin.
 
Yeah, on my PAL game it says in the icon for the Historic Car Cup (where there's a little picture of an old car) 'Histric'.

It's spelled incorrect on the other two versions too (both US and Japanese).


On Japanese version the trim line of the Mercedes CLK models is misspelled also-it's supposed to be "Sport", but it says "Sports" ingame.


"Wiegert Vector W8" is spelled "Welgert Vector W8" (Japanese version again).
 
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In Pikes Peak rally track, "asphalt as dirt" occurs in some point.
(well, sorry for emu header in the opti pic)

watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLzluV37wR0&feature=related
In demo (cheated) you can clearly see that the tarmac was actually tarmac! Who did this wrong?

I've read ALL this forum all day long, cant resist to click on next page, but sorry for quoting some old post. I think its interesting video for everyone who didnt know about it. It contains some news to me like unfinished Grindelwald.

CLK LM would have been nice too. Race mods for all cars would have been welcome, also.

I find it odd that Rome Night was only included for a token license test and in arcade mode. No GT Mode races! A sequel to All-Nights I & II would have been awesome. And Motorsport Land. The glitches there were definitely
odd.

im 100% sure that Rome-Night can be raced when you get lucky in Manufacturer Races (best with Alfas :) ) or Event Synthetizer (90% sureness)


Also ive never ever experienced that sound glitch occuring during championships or endurances, and i have the baddest version (NTSC 1.0 - car
wash says 5,000Cr). strange...
What i do in endurance races is open my CD case to cut the repeating music (so in GT1) and close it right before finish to give time to load
everything back, else you can have troubles to go out of the race.
 
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I've read ALL this forum all day long, cant resist to click on next page

Welcome to GTP! I've spent many a pleasant day the same way!

And yes, Rome Night is available in Mfr races and Event Generator, but only rarely and not in a controlled way, which is sad...
 
Welcome to GTP! I've spent many a pleasant day the same way!

And yes, Rome Night is available in Mfr races and Event Generator, but only rarely and not in a controlled way, which is sad...

thank you for welcoming me, yeah its sad, with some beautifiing Rome Night it would be very nice circuit.

I also found this
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=197469&img=304&sid=undefined

Clearly to see that SSR11 was in a plan to be there...which is even sadder.
Also on the same photo gallery you can see different (maybe just unfinished) Seattle. and GT1 looking tyres.

Also search for photo no 267 and some 28x, what circuits are they ?
 
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thank you for welcoming me, yeah its sad, with some beautifiing Rome Night it would be very nice circuit.

I also found this
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=197469&img=304&sid=undefined

Clearly to see that SSR11 was in a plan to be there...which is even sadder.
Also on the same photo gallery you can see different (maybe just unfinished) Seattle. and GT1 looking tyres.

Also search for photo no 267 and some 28x, what circuits are they ?

Photo 267 looks like Red Rock Valley, photo 285-290 is definitely Seattle.
 
Photo 267

RRV.jpg


Photo 285-290

Seattle1.jpg

Seattle2.jpg

Seattle3.jpg

Seattle4.jpg

Seattle5.jpg

Seattle6.jpg
 
I also assume a lot of people here would be interested to see these photos

gt2_screen304.jpg

gt2_screen296.jpg

gt2_screen295.jpg

gt2_screen294.jpg


Trying to work out what course it is, looks like a variation of Tahiti Road
 

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