Premium/Standard Jaguar comparison

[Brend]

Nah, nothing here mate.

 

[s0236078]

cool. for me at night time having the headlights on at the same time as the automatic lights actually reduced the lighting effect

 

[Toyota GT1]

I want to look into this headlight issue when i get home.

 

[s0236078]

cool I was on time change at route X, starting at 3am. Both lights were on (Actually VERY Bright lights on this carl lol. When I manually took the headlights off (i.e. R1 - the blue icon dissapears on speedo) one set are still on (i guess these are auto and cant be put off a night time) and the beam appeared to be stronger on the road. Maybe a silly glitch as I have not tested a second time.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Something is innately wrong with the Jag XJR-9.

For some reason it feels sluggish and unresponsive to the other group C and LMP cars. As the winner of 1988, it should be right up there with the Sauber and other winners.

I really love how the car looks. I just wished it can go as fast it can look.

 

[JamboGT]

What laptimes are you doing in it? Was a bit understeery for me initially but now I have it lapping faster than the 787B.

 

[Toyota GT1]

Something is innately wrong with the Jag XJR-9.

For some reason it feels sluggish and unresponsive to the other group C and LMP cars. As the winner of 1988, it should be right up there with the Sauber and other winners.

I really love how the car looks. I just wished it can go as fast it can look.

Im able to get 230+ mph on it down la sarthe. Seems up to suaber's handling as well as top speed to me mabye its just personal prefrence

 

[GT6mebe]

How is it pathetic at all? In my eyes what's pathetic is the defense that standards are perfectly OK in some people's views on here!

Was not defending just laughing at your ignorance. This has nothing to do with standards and never did I say standards were a ok. Your just deusional misquoting me in numerous places.

Not sure if you noticed but every time PD promoted GT5 during development and at trade shows, showed off demos, showcased images and videos, it was always of premium cars in 'premium' tracks. Very late in the game they mentioned the standard vs premium car split, eventually updating their main site showing what a standard would look like but did not mention the lack of cockpits (patched in now, in black silhouettes), the lack of being able to go into photo travel, the lack of working wipers and windshield splash effects of rain, lack of wheel upgrades (patched in now), etc with standards.

Oh what and during all this time the internet and all its boards were somehow blacked out. Please it was pretty obvious that there were standard cars and what they looked like and had no cockpit. Not to mention the previews of the games that were a week or two before it released.
Again your purchase your dissapointment is all YOUR FAULT because you as a customer was not intelligent enough to look and research the product (and it does not take 5 mins to figure out that standards were in without cockpits lol ). If I bought a product just because of the persuasive advertising then I would be buying a lot of things.

They continued to showoff GT5 in all premium form. It's what we expected, the jaw dropping premium goodness. And the bulk of content is not the premium goodness but rather the standard ports we got. There's no reason to defend this because doing so is saying it's OK. I suppose it is what it is...

Yawn......your fault for not finding out no one else's not PD.s not the marketing teams, not the Internet's. Not defending just telling you how were not an intelligent customer.

If the Jag LM racer was partly modeled before GT5 launch then why did we only get it now 14+ months AFTER GT5 was released in the 3rd DLC car pack??

Herp derp maybe its because KY never planned on DLC. Fans wanted it. So after a year later Kaz said that were going to introduce DLc and they had a pool of readily available content.....NOTICE pool so they can mix and match the DLC packs however they want. Just because a car gets modelled first does not mean it is going to be released in the first dlc pack.

Once again your lack of information fails you.

And please note that I paid real money for this car pack. I'm not judging this based off of internet images or youtube videos or what I tried out at a friends house. This is me, a fan of racing games, a long time fan of the GT franchise, just criticizing and discussing what I like/dislike and want/do not want.

LOL So what? That does not make your unreliable assumptions any more valid.

 

[Menown]

cool I was on time change at route X, starting at 3am. Both lights were on (Actually VERY Bright lights on this carl lol. When I manually took the headlights off (i.e. R1 - the blue icon dissapears on speedo) one set are still on (i guess these are auto and cant be put off a night time) and the beam appeared to be stronger on the road. Maybe a silly glitch as I have not tested a second time.

Blue icon means the hi-beams are on, no blue icon (at night) puts the lights into dipped. Hi-beams should illuminate more of the scenery, when dipped they illuminate the road. It is the same with all Premos, on standards they are always on hi beam reguardless of blue icon.

 

[cuco33]

Oh brother...

Was not defending just laughing at your ignorance. This has nothing to do with standards and never did I say standards were a ok. Your just deusional misquoting me in numerous places.

Ignorance? More like a disappointed fan more than anything. Still great game but I'll criticize anything I'm not a fan of, like the existence of standards in the first place. The general norm on this site and from the extreme fans (such as yourself) is that the standards are A-OK regardless of lower quality models and textures and general lack of consistency in terms of features and modes they have.

Oh what and during all this time the internet and all its boards were somehow blacked out. Please it was pretty obvious that there were standard cars and what they looked like and had no cockpit. Not to mention the previews of the games that were a week or two before it released.
Again your purchase your dissapointment is all YOUR FAULT because you as a customer was not intelligent enough to look and research the product (and it does not take 5 mins to figure out that standards were in without cockpits lol ). If I bought a product just because of the persuasive advertising then I would be buying a lot of things.

Seems to me the typical excuse that comes around. No, it wasn't obvious. All throughout development, at trade shows, even the commercials I see TODAY we don't see standard cars on 'standard' tracks. We see the premium glory cars on the best looking tracks. And as I said very late in development did we first hear of the car disparity. When drilled by the pros, PD/Kaz finally stated some of the differences. And as the game was 'delayed', press releases just a week or two before release doesn't garner an acceptance that people still didn't understand exactly what the discrepancies were. Many of these discrepancies we found out after the game was launched, as in never mentioned by PD nor any of the reviewers of the game. Things like no photo travel mode for standards, no wheel upgrades, no working wipers and no premium rain splash effects, not just the lack of cockpits. You want to be blind to this, by all means be but I'm not. It's funny how some of the most extreme fans always defend PD/Kaz and resort to pointing fingers at those showing reality for what it is or being critical or judgmental over something they don't like. It's always everyone else's fault BUT PD and their decisions. FYI, I followed GT5's development A LOT ever since it was first announced and I bought the game on day 1. I've bought every GT game on day 1 except GT1, where I got into it a bit late.

Yawn......your fault for not finding out no one else's not PD.s not the marketing teams, not the Internet's. Not defending just telling you how were not an intelligent customer.

Yes, defending. It's all you do from what I've noticed. Show me 1 promotional video or image that showcased a standard car on a 'standard' track or what standards lacked compared to premiums. We expected every car to have every feature and have access to every mode in the game. Why? Because in the history of video games, I've personally never seen disparity of content by any means, to any level let alone to this level.

Herp derp maybe its because KY never planned on DLC. Fans wanted it. So after a year later Kaz said that were going to introduce DLc and they had a pool of readily available content.....NOTICE pool so they can mix and match the DLC packs however they want. Just because a car gets modelled first does not mean it is going to be released in the first dlc pack.

Once again your lack of information fails you.

Herp derp? Childish response. What are you, 16 and living in your parent's basement?? And yes, Kaz did plan on DLC. As a matter of fact the original plan for this gen's GT game was to launch with a limited number of cars and tracks and charge PER car and PER track via DLC model, even giving estimated pricing per car and per track. They got flacked massively for this because it would ultimately put the full fledged GT game, owning every car and track, in the $1000+ range. Shows how much you know.
And for the record I'm glad PD embraced DLC. I just wished they'd not add standard upgrades as part of the DLC cost and why I said I wished the Jag LM racer was a freebie to everyone.

LOL So what? That does not make your unreliable assumptions any more valid.

It makes your massively biased comments that much more invalid. Because when you speak of a game based on youtube videos or internet images or "playing at a friend's house" or from a demo at a store's kiosk isn't making you more reliable. It's making you assume things. I play both games a ton. I still play both franchises (and more on all platforms) numerous times a week. I'm a gamer, not a fanboy. I play both GT and Forza franchises, appreciate the highs and acknowledge the lows of both.
Thanks for trying

 

[Tornado]

Was not defending just laughing at your ignorance.



Your just deusional misquoting me in numerous places.



Once again your lack of information fails you.



So what? That does not make your unreliable assumptions any more valid.

How's that physics comparison coming along?

Oh what and during all this time the internet and all its boards were somehow blacked out. Please it was pretty obvious that there were standard cars and what they looked like and had no cockpit. Not to mention the previews of the games that were a week or two before it released.
Again your purchase your dissapointment is all YOUR FAULT because you as a customer was not intelligent enough to look and research the product (and it does not take 5 mins to figure out that standards were in without cockpits lol ). If I bought a product just because of the persuasive advertising then I would be buying a lot of things.

It's funny, because as someone who was actually here paying attention to what was going on and what was actually said to us news wise, I know firsthand how idiotic of a statement that is. Nothing about the standards was ever obvious. There were thousand post threads discussing each piece of information because PD barely told us anything about them, and what they did say were vague and usually poorly translated statements with dozen of interpretations that PD never bothered correcting. In fact, two of the biggest sticking points about them (lack of wheels and lack of photo travel) took a massive game leak for anyone to even learn they existed before they played the game themselves, because PD hid those problems from the public eye.

 

[Spagetti69]

Love it....awesome track THANK YOU SO MUCH PD.

By the way, my cousins saw me play Gt5 on this track and wanted to have a go let them. A week later I got a text saying that they had (3 of them) all bought a ps3 and GT5. Fun times ahead in deed.

^ Talking about DLC released yesterday? Delorean perhaps.
Take what he says with a smidgen of salt cuco.

 

[Toyota GT1]

Oh brother...



Ignorance? More like a disappointed fan more than anything. Still great game but I'll criticize anything I'm not a fan of, like the existence of standards in the first place. The general norm on this site and from the extreme fans (such as yourself) is that the standards are A-OK regardless of lower quality models and textures and general lack of consistency in terms of features and modes they have.



Seems to me the typical excuse that comes around. No, it wasn't obvious. All throughout development, at trade shows, even the commercials I see TODAY we don't see standard cars on 'standard' tracks. We see the premium glory cars on the best looking tracks. And as I said very late in development did we first hear of the car disparity. When drilled by the pros, PD/Kaz finally stated some of the differences. And as the game was 'delayed', press releases just a week or two before release doesn't garner an acceptance that people still didn't understand exactly what the discrepancies were. Many of these discrepancies we found out after the game was launched, as in never mentioned by PD nor any of the reviewers of the game. Things like no photo travel mode for standards, no wheel upgrades, no working wipers and no premium rain splash effects, not just the lack of cockpits. You want to be blind to this, by all means be but I'm not. It's funny how some of the most extreme fans always defend PD/Kaz and resort to pointing fingers at those showing reality for what it is or being critical or judgmental over something they don't like. It's always everyone else's fault BUT PD and their decisions. FYI, I followed GT5's development A LOT ever since it was first announced and I bought the game on day 1. I've bought every GT game on day 1 except GT1, where I got into it a bit late.



Yes, defending. It's all you do from what I've noticed. Show me 1 promotional video or image that showcased a standard car on a 'standard' track or what standards lacked compared to premiums. We expected every car to have every feature and have access to every mode in the game. Why? Because in the history of video games, I've personally never seen disparity of content by any means, to any level let alone to this level.




Herp derp? Childish response. What are you, 16 and living in your parent's basement?? And yes, Kaz did plan on DLC. As a matter of fact the original plan for this gen's GT game was to launch with a limited number of cars and tracks and charge PER car and PER track via DLC model, even giving estimated pricing per car and per track. They got flacked massively for this because it would ultimately put the full fledged GT game, owning every car and track, in the $1000+ range. Shows how much you know.
And for the record I'm glad PD embraced DLC. I just wished they'd not add standard upgrades as part of the DLC cost and why I said I wished the Jag LM racer was a freebie to everyone.




It makes your massively biased comments that much more invalid. Because when you speak of a game based on youtube videos or internet images or "playing at a friend's house" or from a demo at a store's kiosk isn't making you more reliable. It's making you assume things. I play both games a ton. I still play both franchises (and more on all platforms) numerous times a week. I'm a gamer, not a fanboy. I play both GT and Forza franchises, appreciate the highs and acknowledge the lows of both.
Thanks for trying

Spot on, Spot on

 

[Toyota GT1]

^ Talking about DLC released yesterday? Delorean perhaps.
Take what he says with a smidgen of salt cuco.

Reading what GT6 said there put me in tears

 

[Cowboys965]

cool. for me at night time having the headlights on at the same time as the automatic lights actually reduced the lighting effect

It makes it light closer to you, but you can't really see into the distance like you can with high beam, low beam lights the ground in front of you.

 

[The359]

Wait a second....the stripes on the Standard car go the wrong direction!

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1988/Silverstone-1988-05-08-001.jpg

They modeled it so the stripes, normally on the real car and extended to replace the Silk Cut logos, lean backwards on both sides of the car. But on the real XJR-9s, and in the Premium model, they lean back on the left side, and lean forward on the right side, because the Silk Cut logo always leans to the right.

 

[Toyota GT1]

Wait a second....the stripes on the Standard car go the wrong direction!

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1988/Silverstone-1988-05-08-001.jpg

They modeled it so the stripes, normally on the real car and extended to replace the Silk Cut logos, lean backwards on both sides of the car. But on the real XJR-9s, and in the Premium model, they lean back on the left side, and lean forward on the right side, because the Silk Cut logo always leans to the right.

Hmmm.. im not seeing what your saying..

 

[AleksandarSRB]

Hmmm.. im not seeing what your saying..

👍

 

[The359]

The purple stripes, hash marks, down the side of the car. In the picture above, the Premium Car has them leaning to the right. The Standard Car has them leaning to the left. The correct way is leaning to the right, for that side of the car.

Left side of the XJR-9:

Stripes lean to the back of the car.

Right side of the XJR-9:

Stripes lean to the front of the car.

 

[Evolvedsoul]

The the other side of the XJR-9's stripe should lean the other way in GT5?
I gotta check this out when I get back home

 

[Menown]

In GT4 they used one texture and then mirrored it to save space or speed up rendering or what have you. Check out the Storia X4 for the same issue.

 

[The359]

Yes, part of me seems to remember that it was pointed out that the stripes were wrong in GT4, but I'm not positive. Either way, they have "corrected" it.

 

[Toyota GT1]

Indeed as long as they Corrected there mistakes, all is good

 

[Tornado]

Interesting. I had never noticed that before.

 

[cuco33]

^ Talking about DLC released yesterday? Delorean perhaps.
Take what he says with a smidgen of salt cuco.

Wow I didn't even see that. How's someone play the track a week before release? The time traveling machine... I must try this!


Regarding the 'wrong angle' of the livery, I don't mind. To me it's very spot on, maybe not perfect but very close.

 

[MoLiEG]

Nice to see the topic returning to the comparison.

Beautiful car, if only it were quicker.

The GT-One could be the next car to be modeled. PD doesn't have to track this car down as it is used occasionally in small public events.

And there is another one sitting in a museum in Japan.

I just hope they model the number 1 and 2 cars.

A little off-topic:

If the GT-One reborns in premium form... it will be incredible ... HOWEVER... if it comes with the same pathetic engine sound... it will be an epic fail... I've said it a thosand times: The GT-One sounds horrible!!! Even my blender sounds better

Now on topic...

I think the Jag has the best copckit view off all the Le Mans Racers... I managed to get clean laps with it with ease while racing the AllStars Championship... it as a magnificent ride!

 

[sumbrownkid]

Yeah the Jag is a real sweet ride.

As for times, limited at 750 HP for realistic race trim.

I averaged around 3:30 on mediums. In all other cars I can do around 3:25 avg.

I limit all my race cars to even the parity in my garage. Kind of a self imposed restriction so I don't just keep on driving one car.

 

[The359]

You have to remember, the XJR-9 LM was designed for Le Mans in 1988, sans chicanes, hence it is a very low downforce setup. It is also a variant of the standard XJR-9 which was developed for shorter courses in the World Championship calendar. The other pre-chicane Group C cars in the game (Sauber C9, Toyota 89C-V, Nissan R89C) are all cars which are in their standard configuration, a mixture of high and low speed meant to adapt to the variety of courses in the World Championship.

It is therefore understandable that the XJR-9 LM would struggle at a modern Le Mans circuit with far more corners and a need for higher downforce than was needed in 1988.

Also, trying to compare laptimes is a bit moot as even running Le Mans without the chicanes does not take into account the changes to the circuit at Mulsannes Corner, the Dunlop Chicane, the Esses, and Tetre Rouge.

 

[Toyota GT1]

I forgot there were no Chicanes Until recently in Le mans !

 

[Amarinsocal]

I love the cockpit in the Jag! Hope more Group C's are modelled for premium.

A nice video for sound in case you all wanted to know what the 7 litre v12 sounds like