Project CARS 2 General Discussion Thread - Out Now on PS4/XB1/PC

[Davlish Singh]

GTE cars have more aero.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

That's what I was thinking, thanks.

 

[Bealdor]

GTE cars have more aero.

Nope. GT3 cars tend to have more aero.
GTE cars on the other hand have better tires and suspension and are a bit lighter.

 

[Masscot]

I always ask a question that doesn't relate to the content of the video and I got 'em! Andy Tudor had a bagel with peanut butter for breakfast. Gross!

I wanted to ask about the driving gloves but didn't realise I needed to sign up to do so. Didn't bother in the end.

 

[StephBambinho]

I can`t remember if this has been asked, or did i ask it before? Can we use any cars on the rally cross tracks, its something I wanted in dirt rally and dirt 4 but nope, so is it allowed in project cars 2.

thanks

"Anywhere, anytime"

 

[RomKnight]

Nope. GT3 cars tend to have more aero.
GTE cars on the other hand have better tires and suspension and are a bit lighter.

You mixed something there Bealdor.

GTE cars have more aero (much more efective at least - less drag), less power, less weight, restricted to manufacturer's (works cars only), everything (like ducts thatMUST be cooling stuff) must have a purpose hence; much more restricting rules, no assists, ...

 

[Bealdor]

You mixed something there Bealdor.

GTE cars have more aero, less power, less weight, restricted to manufacturer's (works cars only), everything (like ducts thatMUST be cooling stuff) must have a purpose hence; much more restricting rules, no assists, ...

No I didn't:


Ferrari 488 GT3/GTE

There are also slight bodywork differences between the models, with the GT3 car featuring more aero, per the regulations.

BMW M6 GT3/GTLM

...In Sachen Leistung sind sich die beiden Fahrzeuge sehr ähnlich, die Reglements-bedingt etwas abgespeckte Aerodynamik des BMW M6 GTLM macht sich in den Kurven bemerkbar. Dafür generieren die Reifen beim GTLM-Auto wesentlich mehr Grip. Das ist auch der Grund, warum die Rundenzeiten mit dem BMW M6 GTLM niedriger sind.

English:

...Performance wise both cars are very similar. You can feel the downgraded aerodynamic of the BMW M6 GTLM in the corners. But the tires generate significantly more grip. That's the reason why the laptimes of the BMW M6 GTLM are lower.

Edit: Porsche 911 GT3 R / RSR

Generell sind beide Autos auf der selben Basis aufgebaut. Sie beruhen auf dem Straßenmodell des Porsche 911 GT3. Der RSR (GTE) ist im Vergleich zum R (GT3) aber deutlich weiter entwickelt. Beispielsweise ist das Fahrwerk anders und er hat auch weniger Aerodynamik. Aber durch das verbesserte Setup – vorne sind Doppelquerlenker verbaut – haben wir ein deutlich agileres Fahrzeug, was es gerade in den langsamen Kurven sehr sehr schnell macht und auch in den High-Speed-Kurven einen sehr hohen mechanischen Grip bietet. Das alles macht das Auto anspruchsvoller und eben auch schneller. Zusätzlich ist der GTE auch noch einmal ein paar Kilo leichter.

English:

Both cars are based on the same model, the Porsche 911 GT3. The RSR GTE is significantly advanced compaired to the R GT3. It has a different suspension and less aero. But because of the better setup - double wishbone suspension - the car is much more agile which makes us faster, especially in slow corners. But we also have significant mechanical grip in high speed corners. All of this makes the car more demanding but also faster. the GTE is also a little bit lighter.

 

[RomKnight]

I stand corrected though. They do know better

I'd like to know numbers though. Shouldn't be THAT much more especially with the new diffuser since last year in GTE.

 

[F1Racer68]

@Bealdor is absolutely correct. GTE have historically had less aero than GT3. As of the 2016 GTE regulations I think it might be a bit closer now though.

For a perfect example of the differences, take a look at the 2015 cars, especially the diffusers. Here are the 2015 Ferrari 458 cars as examples:

GTE

GT3

You'll notice on the front the GT3 has dive planes which the GTE does not have. At the rear you can clearly see the differences in the diffusers. Also GT3 have a much wider (front to back) rear wing and wing.

Again, this was in 2015. As of 2016, GTE has been given more aero, so they are now much closer. Main difference now is size of rear wing.

 

[Scaff]

After watching last nights live-stream I'm again very impressed.

The race licence looks like its actually a worthwhile addition and its good to have confirmation that it will be used for both matchmaking and also can be a minimum requirement for lobbies you set-up.

The community events look much better organised and I like that we will be able to set-up online championships as well as just lobbies. Combined with the time trial and eSport events its going to be a lot to complement the single-player.

I love the changes to the replay side, with trackside cameras being in the correct place not just for the track, but for the motorsport discipline. The tools for directing replays and commentary are going to be great for streaming and putting videos together as well.

Can't wait for the Gamescom stuff and the next livestream.


EDIT:

New Gamescom trailer

 

[DesertPenguin09]

I dont care which had more which year I just care about the cars in game so I can do the thing I mentioned but thanks none the less

 

[DesertPenguin09]

@The_American you're right the music is incredible. I just watched the Gamescon trailer and it brought me to tears. Not the visuals but the "we can overcome anything" vibe the music had. It was like something you might hear in a Pirates of the Caribbean action scene. Knowing everything that went into making this game makes it have even more of an impact on the heart strings. Good jobs guys, you made a grown man cry, though it's not that hard for me when it comes to music being moving.

 

[RvN76]

@Bealdor is absolutely correct. GTE have historically had less aero than GT3. As of the 2016 GTE regulations I think it might be a bit closer now though.

For a perfect example of the differences, take a look at the 2015 cars, especially the diffusers. Here are the 2015 Ferrari 458 cars as examples:

GTE
View attachment 667541
View attachment 667540

GT3
View attachment 667542
View attachment 667543

You'll notice on the front the GT3 has dive planes which the GTE does not have. At the rear you can clearly see the differences in the diffusers. Also GT3 have a much wider (front to back) rear wing and wing.

Again, this was in 2015. As of 2016, GTE has been given more aero, so they are now much closer. Main difference now is size of rear wing.

So even with the huge rear diffuser from 2016 (RSR compared with GT3 R) the GTE cars still have less aero? Is it because of the size of the rear wing? or number of dive planes?

 

[RomKnight]

Then again, it's not just the "appendixes" or the number of them.

Just look at the Ford GT bodykit. That thing was designed in a wind tunnel (and it's beautiful too).

 

[Turnaround]

Gotta say, I'm more impressed each time I take a look at this game.

 

[F1Racer68]

I dont care which had more which year I just care about the cars in game so I can do the thing I mentioned but thanks none the less

In that case, since you are matching up to LMP3s, then I would suggest using GT3.

Since you are talking about the cars in PCARS2, they are using 2016 specs for the cars. The reason for the regulation changes in 2016 to the GTE class was because the FIA/ACO wanted to "clearly define GTE as the top category of GT racing and improve its performance compared to GT3, to clearly separate the two classes in series where they compete together (such as TUSC, ELMS and Asian Le Mans)." - source

If you use GTE's against LMP3, there is a chance the GTEs might actually be quicker. Tis is why IMSA moved the Prototype Challenge class out of the main series.

So even with the huge rear diffuser from 2016 (RSR compared with GT3 R) the GTE cars still have less aero? Is it because of the size of the rear wing? or number of dive planes?

With the 2016 regulations, the FIA/ACO loosend the rule book. They opened it up to the manufacturers to have more freedom regarding the amount of aerodynamics and how they apply it. Essentially, they created specifically sized "boxes" that define the maximum areas and zones that engineers can work within. Within those boxes, they are free to do whatever they want. Again, the primary reason behind this change was as stated above, to ensure that GTE cars are clearly faster and a level above GT3 for those series where they share the track (IMSA, ELMS, Asian Le Mans). So as of 2016 regulations, it's no longer accurate to say that GTE has "less" aero.

There are several reasons why GTE cars are faster than GT3s. The current BMW M6 is a perfect example. This car only exists as a "GTE" (actually, GTLM) in IMSA competition. It does not compete outside of North America, so technically it is not a "true GTE", although IMSA's mandate is to adhere to the FIA/ACO GTE regulations. Here is a link to the BMW Motorsports site where they talk about both the GT3 and GTLM version ( https://www.bmw-motorsport.com/en/topics/fahrzeuge/bmw-m6-gt3-gtlm.html )

The key differences are:

• GTLM is 50KG lighter
• GTLM has slightly longer wheelbase
• GTLM has wider tires
• GTLM has smaller fuel tank
• GTLM does NOT have ABS

The slightly longer wheel base increases the car's stability and improves the aerodynamics. Wider tires also means the car's bodywork is slightly wider, providing additional aerodynamic gains. Wider tires also mean more cornering grip. Smaller fuel cell means less weight, also add to that a slightly lighter chassis to begin with, and the power to weight ratio just improved a bit as well. All of this adds up to make the GTE version faster over a lap than it's GT3 counterpart.

Overall, GTE cars are bigger, lighter and wider tires. These are the main reasons why they are faster than the GT3 version.

Hope that helped.

Now, please excuse my while I go nerd out some more.....

 

[sbtm]

In that case, since you are matching up to LMP3s, then I would suggest using GT3.

Since you are talking about the cars in PCARS2, they are using 2016 specs for the cars. The reason for the regulation changes in 2016 to the GTE class was because the FIA/ACO wanted to "clearly define GTE as the top category of GT racing and improve its performance compared to GT3, to clearly separate the two classes in series where they compete together (such as TUSC, ELMS and Asian Le Mans)." - source

If you use GTE's against LMP3, there is a chance the GTEs might actually be quicker. Tis is why IMSA moved the Prototype Challenge class out of the main series.



With the 2016 regulations, the FIA/ACO loosend the rule book. They opened it up to the manufacturers to have more freedom regarding the amount of aerodynamics and how they apply it. Essentially, they created specifically sized "boxes" that define the maximum areas and zones that engineers can work within. Within those boxes, they are free to do whatever they want. Again, the primary reason behind this change was as stated above, to ensure that GTE cars are clearly faster and a level above GT3 for those series where they share the track (IMSA, ELMS, Asian Le Mans). So as of 2016 regulations, it's no longer accurate to say that GTE has "less" aero.

There are several reasons why GTE cars are faster than GT3s. The current BMW M6 is a perfect example. This car only exists as a "GTE" (actually, GTLM) in IMSA competition. It does not compete outside of North America, so technically it is not a "true GTE", although IMSA's mandate is to adhere to the FIA/ACO GTE regulations. Here is a link to the BMW Motorsports site where they talk about both the GT3 and GTLM version ( https://www.bmw-motorsport.com/en/topics/fahrzeuge/bmw-m6-gt3-gtlm.html )

The key differences are:

• GTLM is 50KG lighter
• GTLM has slightly longer wheelbase
• GTLM has wider tires
• GTLM has smaller fuel tank
• GTLM does NOT have ABS

The slightly longer wheel base increases the car's stability and improves the aerodynamics. Wider tires also means the car's bodywork is slightly wider, providing additional aerodynamic gains. Wider tires also mean more cornering grip. Smaller fuel cell means less weight, also add to that a slightly lighter chassis to begin with, and the power to weight ratio just improved a bit as well. All of this adds up to make the GTE version faster over a lap than it's GT3 counterpart.

Overall, GTE cars are bigger, lighter and wider tires. These are the main reasons why they are faster than the GT3 version.

Hope that helped.

Now, please excuse my while I go nerd out some more.....

please join WMD3 .. you could be useful for us

 

[DesertPenguin09]

In that case, since you are matching up to LMP3s, then I would suggest using GT3.

Since you are talking about the cars in PCARS2, they are using 2016 specs for the cars. The reason for the regulation changes in 2016 to the GTE class was because the FIA/ACO wanted to "clearly define GTE as the top category of GT racing and improve its performance compared to GT3, to clearly separate the two classes in series where they compete together (such as TUSC, ELMS and Asian Le Mans)." - source

If you use GTE's against LMP3, there is a chance the GTEs might actually be quicker. Tis is why IMSA moved the Prototype Challenge class out of the main series.



With the 2016 regulations, the FIA/ACO loosend the rule book. They opened it up to the manufacturers to have more freedom regarding the amount of aerodynamics and how they apply it. Essentially, they created specifically sized "boxes" that define the maximum areas and zones that engineers can work within. Within those boxes, they are free to do whatever they want. Again, the primary reason behind this change was as stated above, to ensure that GTE cars are clearly faster and a level above GT3 for those series where they share the track (IMSA, ELMS, Asian Le Mans). So as of 2016 regulations, it's no longer accurate to say that GTE has "less" aero.

There are several reasons why GTE cars are faster than GT3s. The current BMW M6 is a perfect example. This car only exists as a "GTE" (actually, GTLM) in IMSA competition. It does not compete outside of North America, so technically it is not a "true GTE", although IMSA's mandate is to adhere to the FIA/ACO GTE regulations. Here is a link to the BMW Motorsports site where they talk about both the GT3 and GTLM version ( https://www.bmw-motorsport.com/en/topics/fahrzeuge/bmw-m6-gt3-gtlm.html )

The key differences are:

• GTLM is 50KG lighter
• GTLM has slightly longer wheelbase
• GTLM has wider tires
• GTLM has smaller fuel tank
• GTLM does NOT have ABS

The slightly longer wheel base increases the car's stability and improves the aerodynamics. Wider tires also means the car's bodywork is slightly wider, providing additional aerodynamic gains. Wider tires also mean more cornering grip. Smaller fuel cell means less weight, also add to that a slightly lighter chassis to begin with, and the power to weight ratio just improved a bit as well. All of this adds up to make the GTE version faster over a lap than it's GT3 counterpart.

Overall, GTE cars are bigger, lighter and wider tires. These are the main reasons why they are faster than the GT3 version.

Hope that helped.

Now, please excuse my while I go nerd out some more.....

Great read! There are so many combinations of classes to have fun!

 

[RoadRageDudez]

Not sure if anyone caught this in the live stream, and I do hope this is real. But..

32 PLAYER LOBBIES!!!!

 

[Scaff]

32 PLAYER LOBBIES!!!!

That's for PC.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

Yea didn't even see that! And 24 is there too!

Edit: Booooo PC

 

[Sentry87]

Not sure if anyone caught this in the live stream, and I do hope this is real. But..

32 PLAYER LOBBIES!!!!View attachment 667611

PC was confirmed max 32 player lobbies.

 

[BrainsBush]

And it was also confirmed - I think by Joe - that the presenter/editor spot (what's the right word?) does not cost you a slot of the 32 players.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

Yea, they are separate.

 

[Cholton82]

Quick question after watching the developer video , When we do the Formation lap is it a full lap and is the cool down lap a full lap to the pits ? Thanks

 

[FuriousDemon]

Quick question after watching the developer video , When we do the Formation lap is it a full lap and is the cool down lap a full lap to the pits ? Thanks

Yes

 

[jake2013guy]

And it was also confirmed - I think by Joe - that the presenter/editor spot (what's the right word?) does not cost you a slot of the 32 players.

In fairness, @The_American confirmed that to us a while ago.

 

[F1Racer68]

please join WMD3 .. you could be useful for us

Give me plenty of notice and I am Soooooo there!! Desperately wanted in this last time already but timing didn't work out.

Also, just to make sure it's clear..... I am by no means an "expert". Just a huge sports car racing fan that digs far too deep into the details at times

 

[amazed]

Also, just to make sure it's clear..... I am by no means an "expert". Just a huge sports car racing fan that digs far too deep into the details at times

Sometimes that's all that's needed.

IIRC PC2 signup was announced on the PC1 Public Forum, so I would suggest signing up on the PC2 Public Forum when it goes live....

 

[Cholton82]

Yes

Thank you , Can't wait to do the formation at Le Mans , the anticipation building up to the start !