Project CARS 3 Announced, Arrives This Summer
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- slthree
I didn't necessarily like the crude statement but I'm interested in what led you to make it. Are you on PS4?
What specifically didn't you like about PC2? What racing game do you generally play and why do you prefer it over PC2?
I'm guessing you have at least a little interest in PC3 or you wouldn't be here, no?
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It is fun to get other peoples opinions on stuff but all in all, does it matter to your experience?
I once saw a comment about how Gran Turismo Sport was the best racing simulator that ever existed. Well. I made the comment that GTS isn't even the best Gran Turismo, hell, it's not even in the top 3. Thought this guy must be crazy or something. After some more back and forth, turns out this "guy" is a ten year old kid who sits 20 feet away from his TV using X and Square for throttle and brake. Probably takes a spin around the track after one of his long Fortnite sessions.
Now I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but different people get different opinions based on what they want or how they use it.
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- slthree
@Beezer215 That was hilarious.
I understand what you're saying and I don't allow other people's opinions to shape how I feel about a game. For instance, many of the people I played Gran Turismo Sport with, lit me up when I told them I was switching over to project cars 2. But, I did it and I've never looked back.
It's just when somebody makes a broad statement like that, I like to know why they're making it. My profession requires that I hear people's viewpoints all the time whether I agree with them or not.
I'm thinking, this guy came to this forum for a reason and it wasn't simply to say he hated project cars 2. My guess is that he's hopeful project cars 3 is better and, if that's the case, I wanted to hear what things he felt need to be improved.
I understand what you're saying and I don't allow other people's opinions to shape how I feel about a game. For instance, many of the people I played Gran Turismo Sport with, lit me up when I told them I was switching over to project cars 2. But, I did it and I've never looked back.
It's just when somebody makes a broad statement like that, I like to know why they're making it. My profession requires that I hear people's viewpoints all the time whether I agree with them or not.
I'm thinking, this guy came to this forum for a reason and it wasn't simply to say he hated project cars 2. My guess is that he's hopeful project cars 3 is better and, if that's the case, I wanted to hear what things he felt need to be improved.
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- MroczMR
You are absolute right slthree. Unfortunately we live in times where people like to hate something even without a bigger reason. There are a lot of overreaction opinions about many games. Lets be honest even if someone doesn't like (which he definitely have right to) ProjectCars 1, 2 or 3 this game is not trash... it is not on the level of BIG RIGS or some Bootlegs titles. This is just overreaction like many opinions about GRID 2019 for example it can be mediocre but not trash.
@Beezer215 @slthree @MroczMR
No guys, sorry for my brief comment that could be misunderstood as a message from a fan of other franchises. It was exacly the opposite. See my old posts in this site about PC2, GT sport etc...
Now let me explain better why I don't have so much trust on any further SMS game although the potential PC could have.
My first game on my PS4 PRO was PC1. Although I bought the game after more than one year from the release date, it had still bugs and limited features (weak multiplayer, filters etc...) and although I read a lot of posts of people complaining about the lack of support and bug fixing and the irritating attitude often followed by the official PC1 forum, I had a good opinion of the game so I bought PC2 Deluxe Edition plus the DLC at D1 for PS4.
Now, with an absolutely neutral analysis, my concerns and doubts about SMS and PC:
1) a lot of proclamations before releasing PC2 were made such as "PC2 is now perfectly playable with the PAD" (one of the main concerns on PC1). The truth was that the game was never enjoyable with the PAD and also with the wheel (difficult setup). The best PAD presets were never provided by SMS but by users after several months. And even with that, PC1 was still better to play with the PAD. Now basically the same proclamations for PC3 (game fantastic to play with PAD etc...)
2) I was pretty active on the official PC2 forum providing (with so many other people) feedbacks about bugs and even the possible causes for some bugs. There almost all people reported their costructive concerns and feedback about the game. The truth was that the clear attitude and direction followed by the official forum (it is important to say not all the moderators) and the biased fans were to deride, insult and even ban those people politely reporting their frustrations with known broken features or the problems as they were. Here I understood the people complaing of the official PC1 forum. That was for me the most important disappointing aspect. For solidarity with all of these people I immediately stopped to provide any further feedback about any bug in the game
3) Although the game was clearly released in a rush (to compete with GT Sport release) with a huge number of bugs, a lot of people made as beta testers (like me) to rapidly found and fix the bugs. Well here other concerns. With the exception of 1 critical bug (causing a crash in the system) just 6 updates were provided in more than 1 year. These updates were basically related to the release of the DLC (so paied content). An average of 2-3 months for major bugs fixing. The truth is that even very easy to fix bugs such as the wrong country flag reported at the end of a race or the freeze on some menus are still there since PC1.
4) Improvements widely requested by users (and easy to develop such as multiplayer filters, an improved penalty system etc...) were never provided. "Public" multiplayer lobbies were abandoned by people just after only 1-2 month!
5) The last post in this site about PC2 is about the status of the game after one year. Well, the title is self explaining
6) a long list...
The view I matured about SMS an PC simply became aligned with the experience described by many other people that "actively" (and not as simple end users) worked to fix and improve PC1 and PC2.
To use I phrase mentioned by some members of WMD on PC2 in the official forum, "The game is made with no love". They referred to the absolutely lack of proper support put on the game since the release date (not after years). After my experience, I perfectly agree. A game with a good potential but with an awfull management.
Just my thought about the PC3 video. It's confirming (as said in the past by SMS CEO) that the game is more focused to NFS and not to a sim racing as in the origins of PC1 and PC2. In my opinion, if it will be confirmed, PC will loose a big part of all their old users. PC has born as main competitor for other "sim racing" titles such as Assetto Corsa, not the arcade GT Sport. A different name than PC should be more appropriate. At least the name PC could continue to be related to "sim racing" and not "arcade" for future iterations
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- slthree
For my part, thank you for coming back in to explain why you have trepidation. That was well explained. You have a long history with SMS.
It's my understanding that the game i love, PC2, is not the same PC2 that you tested and supported early on. Do you still find it terrible today?
Also, are you playing any racing game that you would recommend? I'm on the PS4 and there aren't many options.
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- GTP_MooCow
Just like @slthree , I have been playing exclusively with GT for the past 2 decades, and recently purchased PC2 deluxe, F1 2019 legend edition, Grid 2 ultimate and the Crew 2.
I am trying to unload and return Grid 2 and the Crew 2, I do not like they way they are played.
Whether F1 is realistic or not, I actually enjoy how challenging it is and how I can for a moment try to be these drivers that I have always wanted to be...
I have not been putting too much hours in it, probably no more than 3 hours since I bought it a month ago.
The reason is because I keep in going back and forth between GTS and Project CAR2.
I like GTS for what it is, and I love pCARS2 for the fact that it is not GTS. I like that both are slightly different and I don't want them to be the same.
At this moment in time, when the situation is still very confusing and very unknown to most of us, I can't form a definite position on PC3 until more is shown.
Strictly based on the couple of videos, if SMS is going down the road of making PC3 a mashup between Forza, GTS, NFS and Shift2, and as I have said before and in agreement with @digant , they should have renamed to Project CARS REVOLUTION.
IF SMS and Codemasters ever decide to do something like a Project CARS 2 but twice better, then PC3 would be a deserving title...
But if that's what they have done, and until they can provide more evidence beyond the yellow Corvette video, then maybe the title PC3 is deserving...
I am afraid of being disappointed...
I want to buy this upcoming title from SMS and support them. I really do. I just hope everything is as they have promised. I still find it funny that they are not able to share more... What is the hold up??
What is the hold up?!!
It is great that the new PC3 can be enjoyed by more people... I am not trying to take that away from you all.
I just want to also have my chance to enjoy it the way I enjoy PC2...
GrId2 and the CrEw 2 are two games that a lot of people seem to enjoy... For whatever reasons, I just hate these, and I feel like I wasted my money and flushed it down the drain by keeping them around... I hated my experience with GRID2 and the Crew2, just not my cup of tea, and I would hate that PC3 could also fall into that category...
That's why all the yelling...
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- Neomone
Honestly, a Shift 3 with Forza/GT level physics and without the horrific bugginess of Shift 2 could be a really good game. I think that there's a lot of room for someone to take the simcade style of Forza Motorsport and GT and do something actually innovative and interesting with it.
There's plenty of serious sim titles out and on their way. Forza and GT are still pretty much the only ones of their kind, and competing in that space makes sense to me.
As I said, PC2 didn't receive any substancial improvement so the game is still the same than in 2018 (last update). Everyone has different expectations and tastes so if you are liking it that's good. My opinion should not let you change you opinion. Multiplayer is absolutely abandoned (unless you have friends to setup a private session) so basically you can play on single player. Consider that PC was basically focused on users (like me) preferring "sim racing". If you prefer sim racing to arcade, on PS4 there are no options now. On a PC, Assetto Corsa Competizione is far better for me.
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- evildave333
Probably best to wait and see what you get, lots of passion (no bad thing) many of these arguments might be rendered moot after you've tried it out. The game might have changed for the better or worse who knows at this stage. I want to get onboard with it mainly because of the track variety so even if its imperfect I can forgive some aspects. The customisation sounds like you mould to what you like. Badly want a demo to be sure though.
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- MroczMR
on the other hand if PC3 won’t be as good as promised (i doubt it will be terrible) there will be chance for PC4 with older approach. We should wait and see. I actually like new approach, i don’t have so much time as I used to have and having an option for shorter races with better physics than GT sport and Forza is only a good thing for me. I only hope it will be full package and not being dumbdown too much (i am looking at you PitStops...)
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- Bloodytears1666
Hope it will not be like test race in PC1, because the most wrong to put a novice driver in LMP1 car and throw into hot Dubai track. When I first time tried PC1 I thought this is a joke and deleted game for a long while, before read on forums that this game actually playable.
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If this game have PSVR support. Then I will buy it on release no matter what if its to arcade or whatever.
Will just support them, if they made it useable with PSVR :-)
For the love of god. I hope thats not the case.
I hate short career races, where the only way to win is to bumb and crash our way through the AI's.
Thats one thing i liked about Pcars 2 and Forza 7, that there are actullay options to have longer career races.
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There sure are plenty of "no true Scotsman" type comments in this subforum this week.
I love the "CarPG" angle with rewards, upgrades, customization, etc...but I wanted that with practice, qualifying, and pits. I wanted it for the value it would add to endurance racing, with more of a reward than a PNG of a gold trophy in a menu list. I wanted endurance racing to be more appealing, with improved physics, more comfortable analog stick steering, more reliable pitstops (eg. getting the tire compound you thought you asked for), and improved AI. Not to mention my own built car, with my own livery and number, and maybe a hired teammate.
We'll have to see...
It would be odd if we cannot extend the length of races for greater rewards, just like the rewards for racing without assists and such, and just like the existing slider in PCARS2. That seems like something within the scope of an update patch, too, if we end up having to plead our case to SMS.
I love the "CarPG" angle with rewards, upgrades, customization, etc...but I wanted that with practice, qualifying, and pits. I wanted it for the value it would add to endurance racing, with more of a reward than a PNG of a gold trophy in a menu list. I wanted endurance racing to be more appealing, with improved physics, more comfortable analog stick steering, more reliable pitstops (eg. getting the tire compound you thought you asked for), and improved AI. Not to mention my own built car, with my own livery and number, and maybe a hired teammate.
We'll have to see...
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- Bloodytears1666
Got this thought after Wolfe mentioned team mate, to think will Bob or me be paying for repairs. Dunno if you played or not, but for example in ProStreet you had to pay for every scratch on car. You have destroyed a car - pay half of the price of it to repair. If you don't have another car or money - race this wreak and save up. It's 'course very hardcore feature, but who else want it to be implement? This will greatly work in online races, some people will learn value concept, including value of clean racing.
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- Neomone
Kinda. But it's just a name. If a name is what makes or breaks a game for you then there's something else going on.
You can hardly fault them for wanting to continue building on an established brand. "Shift" as a brand is almost certainly unavailable because EA, Codies is still doing their own thing with Grid so that's not an option, leaving using PCARS or starting something brand new. I think a game with Forza/GT level physics could totally be considered to be following in a similar vein to parts of the previous PCARS franchise, accessible yet somewhat realistic physics backing up a game that's more about the racing feel than strictly accurate simulation.
Yes, the acronym doesn't make that much sense if they're not crowdfunding, but if that's the biggest mark against it then that's not really a problem. Advertising has never been worried about "strictly inaccurate" if it sells more units, especially when the only people who will even notice will be the hardcorest of the hardcore who backed both PCARS1 and 2. If Gran Turismo can keep selling on the back of "The Real Driving Simulator" then I see no particular issue with this.
If you want to be anal and technically correct, PCARS3 will almost certainly be built on a foundation of PCARS1 and 2. Those were directly community assisted, and so it's not incorrect to say that PCARS3 will have some components of that community assistance remaining. Hence it's still a Community Assisted Racing Simulator, as long as there's a structural link back to the earlier versions. See how you can make anything work as an advertising tagline when you twist it enough?
A name doesn't matter, unless you're just looking for something to get bent out of shape about. It's on the same level as Youtube comment grammar nazis. It's funny, because I thought that there would be plenty of legitimate things to criticise between PCARS2 and 3 without needing to delve into dreck like "the name is wrong".
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- BABOBILIMBI
I don't think the lack of community support to make the game is reason of outrage, it is more like people don't like drastic changes to a franchise. I think it is the same reaction gamers has whenever something doesn't look like what it used to, even the first few days after Dirt 5 announcement there are groups coming out screaming at Codemasters killing the sim aspect of the franchise. I remember Saints Row 3 was hated for going too wacky and different to the previous 2 games then the 4th game says screw it and went overboard with the franchise.
The whole first impression given on pCARS 3 does feels a bit more like a spin off than a sequel of pCARS 2, everything looks so colourful and cheerful instead of the serious vibe of the last 2 game. Not like that is a bad thing but the internet will always over react things.
The whole first impression given on pCARS 3 does feels a bit more like a spin off than a sequel of pCARS 2, everything looks so colourful and cheerful instead of the serious vibe of the last 2 game. Not like that is a bad thing but the internet will always over react things.
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We literally built it from scratch using a team we paid to laser scan it.
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- paulpg87
I refer you to Shift 1
Shift 2 historic dlc, my first dlc ever. Good memories. Fun game and cool content. I loved new vs old events and time trials.
Hope this will carry-on the content (mainly tracks and historic cars, no need for karts and rally cross) from pc2. Pity no more lancia delta, the works version in shift was insane.
Best regards
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