Project CARS 4 "Will Be The Most Realistic Simulation Ever Made"

[MroczMR]

I wasn't thinking about subscription model. Just something similar to GT Sport with some of DLC's paid.

 

[Konan]

One of those things is mentioned on the official website for Pcars3 and the other isn’t, take a guess which way around it is.

Blaming fans of the series for the utter marketing disaster that PCars3 is, that’s about as dishonest as it gets.

So everyone who hates the game bases that upon the name?
They choose to ignore the information that was shared outside of the website?
That is not bad advertising but customer ignorance...

 

[AlexWilmot]

So everyone who hates the game bases that upon the name?
They choose to ignore the information that was shared outside of the website?
That is not bad advertising but customer ignorance...

Give it a rest mate seriously,
The game gets its bad image from:
A) the game is bad
B) the game has lots of issues
C) the marketing for this game was sub-standard

Lastly, Don't like what people are saying here? don't come here then

 

[Konan]

Give it a rest mate seriously,
The game gets its bad image from:
A) the game is bad
B) the game has lots of issues
C) the marketing for this game was sub-standard

Lastly, Don't like what people are saying here? don't come here then

Last i heard it's allowed to share your opinion over here?
I'm not trying to shut up anyone am I?

 

[AlexWilmot]

Last i heard it's allowed to share your opinion over here?
I'm not trying to shut up anyone am I?

You're allowed to have an opinion of your own here, unlike the other foums/discord where you'll get banned.

Whenever someone has an opinion that differs to yours, you and your friends seem to jump at them with opinions that are trying to incite an argument with an attempt to shut them down, stating falsehoods such as biased reviews etc.

 

[Konan]

You're allowed to have an opinion of your own here, unlike the other foums/discord where you'll get banned.

Whenever someone has an opinion that differs to yours, you and your friends seem to jump at them with opinions that are trying to incite an argument with an attempt to shut them down, stating falsehoods such as biased reviews etc.

You seem to like spreading falsehoods yourself.
It's not your opinion that gets you banned but the way you choose to express it.
I think insulting a dev on his own forum is bad form, and it's stated in the rules as a punishable offence as well.
As for the biased reviews, have you seen any reviews?
If a reviewer starts with :"this is not pcars" he's reviewing the name rather than the game...

 

[AlexWilmot]

You seem to like spreading falsehoods yourself.
It's not your opinion that gets you banned but the way you choose to express it.
I think insulting a dev on his own forum is bad form, and it's stated in the rules as a punishable offence as well.
As for the biased reviews, have you seen any reviews?
If a reviewer starts with :"this is not pcars" he's reviewing the name rather than the game...

Ok buddy 👍

You have you view, I'll have mine,
But I don't expect much from a company that encourages the behaviour's you display as well as the community manager saying condescending stuff like this for a recent example
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Enjoy the game and the people left involved, hyping each other up because of what people are saying that differs to your view

 

[Konan]

I cannot control what the CM says, and that was obviously a joke.
As for my behavior, again, the way you express things results in how you get met at the forum. It is still a place that is sponsored by SMS, with set rules.
It's not like over here where you can insult said devs unpunished.
That's the given right of those who post here, it's my right to speak against that. But on the official forum it's a punishable offence, like i said before...

 

[Johnnn]

I like all views here. It's good. Different views, different demands and it works. From my perspective PC3 is fail in many ways but it's good to see how others sees it because I could change my mind with new perspectives.

 

[daan]

I cannot control what the CM says, and that was obviously a joke.
As for my behavior, again, the way you express things results in how you get met at the forum. It is still a place that is sponsored by SMS, with set rules.
It's not like over here where you can insult said devs unpunished.
That's the given right of those who post here, it's my right to speak against that. But on the official forum it's a punishable offence, like i said before...

It's a punishable offence here too.

• You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack any individual or any group.

 

[Konan]

It's a punishable offence here too.

Than it's a matter of what the staff finds abusive i guess...

 

[Scaff]

So everyone who hates the game bases that upon the name?

I’ve not said that at all, that’s simply the tired trope you keep dragging out.

Ive said it before and I will say it again, it’s perfectly possible to like the game and think it was poorly advertised.

They choose to ignore the information that was shared outside of the website?

Remind us all again, exactly when did Ian Bell make that statement?

That is not bad advertising but customer ignorance...

Nope, that’s not how it works at all, if a company fails to communicate what you claim is a core point of the title, then it’s a marketing fail. If customers need to dig up a years old tweet to understand the key drive behind a title (and one that the actual marketing of the title contradicts), then it’s a failure of the marketing.

Hell, even Ian Bell went on Twitter and said as much!

Than it's a matter of what the staff finds abusive i guess...

A product isn’t a person, that’s the key difference.

Being rude about a product is not the same as attacking a person or group of people.

 

[Konan]

Hell, even Ian Bell went on Twitter and said as much!


A product isn’t a person, that’s the key difference.

Being rude about a product is not the same as attacking a person or group of people.

So when it suits your point, Ian tells the truth?
You can't claim a person to be dishonest at one point and use something he said to defend another...

It's more than only being rude about the product, i've seen the devs and other members been called pretty nasty things.

 

[Scaff]

So when it suits your point, Ian tells the truth?
You can't claim a person to be dishonest at one point and use something he said to defend another...

Ive said the marketing has been dishonest, and I’ve never said that Ian didn’t say that it was a spiritual successor. The official marketing however didn’t mention that at all, but it certainly did tie all three titles together.

I did notice however you missed the question I asked, when exactly did Ian say that?

It's more than only being rude about the product, i've seen the devs and other members been called pretty nasty things.

Here? Did you report them for the staff to take action?

 

[Konan]

Ive said the marketing has been dishonest, and I’ve never said that Ian didn’t say that it was a spiritual successor. The official marketing however didn’t mention that at all, but it certainly did tie all three titles together.

I did notice however you missed the question I asked, when exactly did Ian say that?



Here? Did you report them for the staff to take action?

My comment wasn't solely about Ian, Nathan for example did a live chat explaining more about what the game is. There were replies on Discord,...

Do they need to be reported? I thought it was part of a moderator's job to keep an eye on those things?
Aren't we supposed to overview the forum in case such things happen?
The report function is imo more of a notification should we have missed something.

 

[Scaff]

My comment wasn't solely about Ian, Nathan for example did a live chat explaining more about what the game is. There were replies on Discord,...

Still not answering the question.

Do they need to be reported? I thought it was part of a moderator's job to keep an eye on those things?
Aren't we supposed to overview the forum in case such things happen?
The report function is imo more of a notification should we have missed something.

we do, however the sheer volume of posts and members here is a totally different scale, but I note again that you failed to answer the question again.

 

[Konan]

Could you repeat the question please sir?

Because i thought i answered it...

 

[Scaff]

Could you repeat the question please sir?

Because i thought i answered it...

When exactly did Ian Bell say that PC3 was a spiritual successor to Shift,?

That you have not answered, despite being asked three times.

 

[Konan]

When exactly did Ian Bell say that PC3 was a spiritual successor to Shift,?

That you have not answered, despite being asked three times.

Dude, it's posted on your own forum:

https://www.gtplanet.net/project-ca...as just revealed,drivers, for release in 2019.

 

[GTsimms]

Dude, it's posted on your own forum:

https://www.gtplanet.net/project-cars-3-will-be-a-spiritual-successor-to-shift/#:~:text=In a post here on,the next Project CARS game.&text=The team has just revealed,drivers, for release in 2019.

 

[Scaff]

Dude, it's posted on your own forum:

https://www.gtplanet.net/project-cars-3-will-be-a-spiritual-successor-to-shift/#:~:text=In a post here on,the next Project CARS game.&text=The team has just revealed,drivers, for release in 2019.

I know, it was a retorical question, as you keep trotting that line out as if it wasn’t made almost two years before PC3 launched, and isn’t mentioned at all in the advertising campaign.

To claim it was a clearly communicated part of the PC3 launch it clutching at straws, while the very first developers blog that came out as part of the launch, and is still on the website states.

“Project CARS 3 remains, at its core, a Project CARS experience, and with the same philosophy that has always been central to the franchise”
https://www.projectcarsgame.com/three/news/developer-blog-1/

So the claim that it’s not linked to the previous titles is debunked by SMS themselves, and the spiritual successor line was from over a full year before the marketing start and never featured in that marketing campaign!

Yet you seem to not understand how people could see PC3 as linked to the previous two titles

 

[Konan]

So?

The new VW Sirocco is only linked to the old one by name, nothing other is remotely similar, except that it's made by the same manufacturer and carries the legacy.
Do people expect it to be the same? I don't think so.

PC3 IS at its core still a pcars game.

Where does it say it's a successor to Pc2?

[Project CARS 3 remains, at its core, a Project CARS experience, and with the same philosophy that has always been central to the franchise—to give you the Ultimate Driver Journey.]

Apparently you left the "ultimate driver journey" out...

 

[Scaff]

So?

The new VW Sirocco is only linked to the old one by name, nothing other is remotely similar, except that it's made by the same manufacturer and carries the legacy.
Do people expect it to be the same? I don't think so.

PC3 IS at its core still a pcars game.

Where does it say it's a successor to Pc2?

[Project CARS 3 remains, at its core, a Project CARS experience, and with the same philosophy that has always been central to the franchise—to give you the Ultimate Driver Journey.]

Apparently you left the "ultimate driver journey" out...

Now extended that to the Polo, Golf and Passat, see how it falls apart as an argument.

Nor does the final point change anything, certainly not in favour of your argument.

The fact remains that the marketing before, during and after launch support PC3 being part of the project cars series. While the ‘link’ between shift and PC3 comes from a tweet nearly two years before launch.

Yet the latter is what you pin everything on, ignoring the former as if it never happened, and then blaming everyone who made the link that SMS told us existed!

You literally don’t have an argument to support.

 

[Tool1312]

For Ian Bell to go on SMS discord when all this hype about PCars3 was being thrown around, to tell people not to buy it if they didn't like it was odd to say the least.
To hype it as all the SIM you could ever want, for it to be dumbed down as much as it was, now trotting out the same yet again. How is anyone to believe him again?

By the way, I dipped back into Forza 7 last night. Brands Hatch.
Leaves falling off the trees.
Wonder where Mr Bell got this idea from

 

[Mr Grumpy]

The problem will be that the physics surrounding falling leaves on track (possibly reducing grip) it will be over the top just to highlight the new feature, while the AI drives off into the distance unaffected. Just like the puddles.

On another note, do not put broken windscreen glass effects on race cars. Road cars/classic cars yes but not modern day race cars.

Model it so it pops out, flaps about or falls out completely (increasing aero drag). Failing that just give us the individual option to turn windscreen damage on or off in the options.

 

[Famine]

Now extended that to the Polo, Golf and Passat, see how it falls apart as an argument.

Or look at the overwhelming negative reaction to the names of the Dodge Dart or Ford Puma (and Mustang Mach E) being retained for vehicles that have totally changed from the original.

At least the Polo is still a FWD B-segment hatch, the Golf a FWD (and 4WD) C-segment hatch (convertible and estate), the Scirocco a FWD C-segment coupe, and the Passat a FWD (and 4WD) D-segment saloon (and estate).

The Puma is a decent car too, but a lot of people hate the fact that one of the most enjoyable B-segment coupes ever made is now a five-door crossover (and can have a diesel engine). But I guess all the reviewers who mentioned the name thing (and gave it four or five stars almost uniformly) were just biased and reviewing the name and driving it for five minutes. Like What Car?, famous for how shallow its reviews are...

 

[daan]

It's more than only being rude about the product, i've seen the devs and other members been called pretty nasty things.

As have we, and we have dealt with them.

Do they need to be reported? I thought it was part of a moderator's job to keep an eye on those things?
Aren't we supposed to overview the forum in case such things happen?
The report function is imo more of a notification should we have missed something.

Yes, we keep an eye on things but we cannot be expected to see every single post made here. There are over 13 million of them after all. The report function is there for members to use at any time if you feel we have missed or ignored something.

 

[MattJXN]

If you drop your preconceived notions, and take PC3 as a stand alone game, I think you will find that PC3 is an excellent game. Games should be fun, right? PC3 is an absolute blast to play, its challenging and has a great car list that people actually want to drive. The track list is also outstanding. The game can be beautiful in the right setting (Algrave at dawn is my favorite). I honestly wish people would give it a shot, I think they would find themselves liking the game, despite all that has been previously said about the game. Just my thoughts.

 

[Scaff]

If you drop your preconceived notions, and take PC3 as a stand alone game, I think you will find that PC3 is an excellent game. Games should be fun, right? PC3 is an absolute blast to play, its challenging and has a great car list that people actually want to drive. The track list is also outstanding. The game can be beautiful in the right setting (Algrave at dawn is my favorite). I honestly wish people would give it a shot, I think they would find themselves liking the game, despite all that has been previously said about the game. Just my thoughts.

Many of those who have raised issues about the game, do also like it.

I like it, it's just not quite what it was presented as, and while the tracklist and car list is good, much of it is recycled from the first two titles, and some of the lost content is disappointing (and the same can be said for content lost from the original to the second title, such as the Atoms'). If you had never played the first two, then you would not miss them, but for those that have, it's not easy to forget what was excluded from PCars3.

 

[gregc]

The problem will be that the physics surrounding falling leaves on track (possibly reducing grip) it will be over the top just to highlight the new feature, while the AI drives off into the distance unaffected. Just like the puddles.

On another note, do not put broken windscreen glass effects on race cars. Road cars/classic cars yes but not modern day race cars.

Model it so it pops out, flaps about or falls out completely (increasing aero drag). Failing that just give us the individual option to turn windscreen damage on or off in the options.

While I don't particularly like the actual effect in pCARS2, see this report from British GT at Brands in 2018, specifically:

The Belgian was forced to retire from the two-hour race after a “foreign iobjet penetrated the windscreen” and glass entered the cockpit of the team’s Aston Martin Vantage GT3.

(spelling mistake theirs, emphasis mine )

So that's at least one modern, homologated race car with a glass screen. I don't necessarily disagree with your general point, but it's not a given that a race car has a polycarb screen.