Project CARS General Discussion Thread

[fatkrakr]

I would expect a company that charges as much money for their hardware as Fanatic does, to properly support their customers, and make their own drivers. Anything but is just cheap, lazy and disrespectful to their customers.

Well it is well documented how Fanatec wheels work on the playstation. If you purchased one, complaining about it is pretty pointless. Should of bought a different product if it is that big of an issue to you. Its not like they are just know emulating a Logitech wheel, it was designed to work that way.

 

[mister dog]

It all depends on people's preferences I guess. I like consoles as the games that come out on it are always optimized for the platform. On PC you can play for probably one or two years before you need to make compromises on graphical quality, upgrade your equipment, etc. to play new games.

That's the biggest disadvantage yes, hardware doesn't last 5 years like a console, so a good graphics card is a must when you purchase one.

You don't pay an annual subscription to play online on the PC, but you need other stuff like AntiMalware and AntiVirus.

Those you can get as freeware, so no biggie.

In that regard the PS4 still is a better option for me personally. I might need to buy a new wheel, what I absolutely don't want as long as my DFGT is working fine. But on the other hand if I would buy a more expensive PC, I will still need to buy a new wheel sooner or later as my DFGT is 6 years old now and will probably give way at some point

That's the problem, i bought my CSR last year. Anyway come PS5 i might think like you on this aspect

 

[Jawehawk]

Well it is well documented how Fanatec wheels work on the playstation. If you purchased one, complaining about it is pretty pointless. Should of bought a different product if it is that big of an issue to you. Its not like they are just know emulating a Logitech wheel, it was designed to work that way.

I have a Thrustmaster T500RS. So I'm not complaining because it affects me.
But when you charge as much as Fanatic does, you better damn well put some effort into supporting your products.

Complaining is never pointless when the reasons are valid. Intelligent people don't sit idly by when a company is screwing them over.

 

[fatkrakr]

I have a Thrustmaster T500RS. So I'm not complaining because it affects me.
But when you charge as much as Fanatic does, you better damn well put some effort into supporting your products.

Complaining is never pointless when the reasons are valid. Intelligent people don't sit idly by when a company is screwing them over.

But it is known that the Fanatec wheels emulate a Logitech wheel on the Playstation, so if you purchased one complaining about it is in deed pointless. You seen it as one of the problems with Fanatec and purchased a different wheel. It makes no sense to say they need to properly support their customers, when the wheel works exactly as it was designed.

Should Fanatec make their own drivers? Sure they should, but they don't and its well documented they don't. So when you purchase it you know (or should) what your getting. How is Fanatec screwing you over?

 

[TheMinority]

What's the current state of the game? Alpha/Beta?

I'd say Alpha, theres still a lot of content to be implemented before it should be considered Beta...

 

[Jawehawk]

Should Fanatec make their own drivers? Sure they should, but they don't and its well documented they don't. So when you purchase it you know (or should) what your getting. How is Fanatec screwing you over?

They're screwing their costumers over by not getting off their asses and working on a PS4 solution.
Also, Does it say on the official Fanatic website that they don't make their own drivers?

Putting pressure on Logitech and or Fanatic is the only way we'll see support for these wheels on the PS4. That much is very clear. In other words, complaining is necessary.

 

[fatkrakr]

The point is Fanatec haven't gotten off their asses and made a driver EVER for the Playstation. So they aren't screwing anyone over. Fanatec wheel owners are well aware they are at the mercy of Logitech when it comes to the playstation. All ways have been, so while not making a driver sucks, I don't see how its screwing anyone over. They don't claim PS4 support, never promised PS4 support and it doesn't appear your gonna get PS4 support, unless Logitech do something. The same way its always been with Fanatec wheels.

 

[priesty_lfc]

What's the issue with Fanatec Wheels and Playstation?

Without going to far off topic Fanatec wheels are pretty new compared to the Logitech wheels and are certainly seen as higher end so if they don't work property on PS3 that's pretty poor by them.

 

[Sele1981]

The point is Fanatec haven't gotten off their asses and made a driver EVER for the Playstation. So they aren't screwing anyone over. Fanatec wheel owners are well aware they are at the mercy of Logitech when it comes to the playstation. All ways have been, so while not making a driver sucks, I don't see how its screwing anyone over. They don't claim PS4 support, never promised PS4 support and it doesn't appear your gonna get PS4 support, unless Logitech do something. The same way its always been with Fanatec wheels.

And still it's not a good way to treat your customers. Some people paid over 1000 bucks for their fanatec stuff and now you come and say fanatec never said their products will work with the PS4.

I remember fanatec reacted to the lack of support for the wheels on the xbone, so at least I hope they will react on the ps4 problem too and will explain if it's possible or not.

On xbone they said it is not allowed for them to make an adapter that would skip some things that Microsoft implemented on the xbone.

I wonder what excuse they will use for ps4 to sell new products.

And better fanatec brings no new wheel for ps4 because we all know that it is pretty easy to make their old wheels work on ps4 too if they can make a new ps4 wheel with the fitting drivers.

 

[fatkrakr]

What's the issue with Fanatec Wheels and Playstation?

Without going to far off topic Fanatec wheels are pretty new compared to the Logitech wheels and are certainly seen as higher end so if they don't work property on PS3 that's pretty poor by them.

The words cheap and lazy where thrown about. While I don't think anyone knows for sure, those are probably pretty close to the reason.

 

[fatkrakr]

And still it's not a good way to treat your customers. Some people paid over 1000 bucks for their fanatec stuff and now you come and say fanatec never said their products will work with the PS4.

I remember fanatec reacted to the lack of support for the wheels on the xbone, so at least I hope they will react on the ps4 problem too and will explain if it's possible or not.

On xbone they said it is not allowed for them to make an adapter that would skip some things that Microsoft implemented on the xbone.

I wonder what excuse they will use for ps4 to sell new products.

Fanatec cant answer if their wheels will work till Logitech answer. The excuse will be Logitech wheels aren't supported.

 

[FMW]

The point is Fanatec haven't gotten off their asses and made a driver EVER for the Playstation. So they aren't screwing anyone over. Fanatec wheel owners are well aware they are at the mercy of Logitech when it comes to the playstation. All ways have been, so while not making a driver sucks, I don't see how its screwing anyone over. They don't claim PS4 support, never promised PS4 support and it doesn't appear your gonna get PS4 support, unless Logitech do something. The same way its always been with Fanatec wheels.

Agreed and well said.

In my case, I only play on my PS3 when it comes to driving games. I gave up chasing PC hardware to make racing sims run smooth years ago. Too expensive...I got my FANATEC CSW and peddles knowing full well I was at the mercy of Logitech wheels being compatible with whatever new Sony console came out. LOL So for now I will milk my PS3 GT6/F12012 games until the cows come home.

 

[Awong124]

If the T300 is just basically going to be PS4's version of the TX, and it really is as big of an improvement over the G27 as everyone says it is, then I wouldn't mind upgrading when the time comes if the G27 ends up not being compatible. But I would prefer to have the G27 compatible, as it still works perfectly fine.

 

[paulpg87]

damn, just looked to build up a gaming pc for project cars (minimum 900€) out of budget. I think i'll miss the best racing game of the last years cause there is no way i'm gonna by a new wheel just for ps4. I'm praying the'll release logitech firmware.

 

[notanexpert]

damn, just looked to build up a gaming pc for project cars (minimum 900€) out of budget. I think i'll miss the best racing game of the last years cause there is no way i'm gonna by a new wheel just for ps4. I'm praying the'll release logitech firmware.

Your profile pic says Italy. I'm from America, there are others from Britain, Germany, Spain, and countless other countries. THIS IS A WORLDWIDE ISSUE!!!

 

[frivoloushobby]

Well at least we have a definitive answer to our compatibility questions. Before yesterday most of the information we received were assumptions from around the various forums. I already own a PS4 and since I play a lot of games outside the racing genre it doesn't make much sense for me to jump onto the PC wagon.

I guess I'll start saving up for a T500. Perhaps a Black Friday purchase with Project Cars coming out in November.

 

[Cyber_stig_77]

Fanatec cant answer if their wheels will work till Logitech answer. The excuse will be Logitech wheels aren't supported.

They could still make there own drivers, they don't have to use Logitech drivers they just choose to

 

[Sherrod89]

Look like i will have to play with the controllet my dfgt wont work

 

[FLX1981]

Do I need to make an expressive dance to make you guys understand? Do I need to tattoo it on yo Mommas booty? Do I need to hire a russian goon commando to slap some sense into you assumptious cry baby lot?

THE

MOTHER-

*shut your mouth!*

LIST

IS

NOT

FINAL

Now will yall calm the 🤬 down or

 

[fatkrakr]

I think everyone gets its not final. I think though most now agree its pretty probable though. I mean at this point its doing the manufactures effected more harm than good not saying that they are working on getting the Logitech wheels supported.

 

[Cyber_stig_77]

I think everyone gets its not final. I think though most now agree its pretty probable though. I mean at this point its doing the manufactures effected more harm than good not saying that they are working on getting the Logitech wheels supported.

Maybe that is a good thing because more people will voice there concerns/anger towards the manufacturers putting more pressure on them to support there hardware.

 

[notanexpert]

http://www.psu.com/a023992/Project-...s--the-most-realistic-driving-sim-on-the-grid

"Underneath the game’s intimidating metallic hood lies some of the most accomplished driving mechanics we’ve ever had the pleasure of handling. It manages to firmly nestle itself a step above the likes of Gran Turismo, acting as a sort of spiritual successor to the likes of GTR – FIA GT Racing Game."

I think I need to rethink all of my wheel doubt. I played forza 2 through horizon without a wheel and loved them, so I guess worst case scenario I will still lose the battle of my temptation to play project cars.

 

[LarryL]

Sony has an open policy with accessories on PS3 and PS4. Any USB device can be used, it's just 100% up to the developers to include (and develop if they have to) drivers for those devices. Any PS4 driving game could support the G25/27 or Logitech DFGT, the dev's just gotta code for it. Which I don't really think is any different from how racing game wheel support works now or previously.

For example the Skull Girls developer right now is looking for people familiar with DualShock 3 PC driver coding willing to do a little voulunteer work to create a DS3 driver for PS4, which they in turn will give to any other devs for free if they want DS3 support for their PS4 games. And this is all fine with Sony.

I'd bet everything I've got that PD already has PS4 drivers coded for every (the important ones anyway) wheel supported in GT6. SMS needs to get on with the same thing if they haven't already, or get on the phone with other PS4 driving game devs and see if they're willing to share because PS4 gamers into racing games aren't going to drop the rediculously steep cost of Thrustmaster wheels just for PCars. I mean jeez......for a T500/300, Hshifter and clutch pedals you're talking about $1000. SMS needs to support the older Logitch stuff. At least anything supported on PS3. I know it's not GREAT, but the DFGT is still a viable, up-to-date wheel. It's not like it's an old PS2 era MadKatz or some other junk.

 

[Zelalem]

Sony has an open policy with accessories on PS3 and PS4. Any USB device can be used, it's just 100% up to the developers to include (and develop if they have to) drivers for those devices. Any PS4 driving game could support the G25/27 or Logitech DFGT, the dev's just gotta code for it. Which I don't really think is any different from how racing game wheel support works now or previously.

Keyboards are supported across the board, but it seems controllers are a different story. official FAQ

Only Sony Computer Entertainment products and officially licensed products will be compatible with PS4.

edit
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88081577&postcount=237

 

[schmocke]

Sony has an open policy with accessories on PS3 and PS4. Any USB device can be used, it's just 100% up to the developers to include (and develop if they have to) drivers for those devices. Any PS4 driving game could support the G25/27 or Logitech DFGT, the dev's just gotta code for it. Which I don't really think is any different from how racing game wheel support works now or previously.

For example the Skull Girls developer right now is looking for people familiar with DualShock 3 PC driver coding willing to do a little voulunteer work to create a DS3 driver for PS4, which they in turn will give to any other devs for free if they want DS3 support for their PS4 games. And this is all fine with Sony.

I'd bet everything I've got that PD already has PS4 drivers coded for every (the important ones anyway) wheel supported in GT6. SMS needs to get on with the same thing if they haven't already, or get on the phone with other PS4 driving game devs and see if they're willing to share because PS4 gamers into racing games aren't going to drop the rediculously steep cost of Thrustmaster wheels just for PCars. I mean jeez......for a T500/300, Hshifter and clutch pedals you're talking about $1000. SMS needs to support the older Logitch stuff. At least anything supported on PS3. I know it's not GREAT, but the DFGT is still a viable, up-to-date wheel. It's not like it's an old PS2 era MadKatz or some other junk.

Well said @LarryL, this!
This facts around the Skullgirls coder guy are transferable to the whole discussion about PS4 wheel support:
Look at the compatibility (yes, not final yet) list.
Think about why every (!) common wheel of last decade is supported on PC already!? Because drivers exist, simple as that.

Linked to the attempt mentioned above searching for DS3 driver coders, you may come to this conclusion:
game developers are coding games. Yes, that's right.💡
They team up to develop a decent game for a given platform. Game developers don't code USB related hardware APIs and therefore (in this PS4 case) have to talk to manufactures of present sim hardware to implement support for a certain product, simply 'cause they don't know 🤬 about coding PS4 drivers for like 15 different wheels on their own (and probably don't have the resources to do so).

With Thrustmaster it was easy, 'cause they already lie in bed with Sony and M$ and have the drivers ready for their line of products.
I bet SMS is already talking to Logitech and Fanatec as well, as both companies can't oversee the importance of console racing fans these days.
We'll see what happens, not later than November 11th.

 

[mister dog]

Question, how is the angry crowd reacting on the WMD forums? I hope they are ranting like hell so SMS feels the pressure more than ever.

 

[LogiForce]

Question, how is the angry crowd reacting on the WMD forums? I hope they are ranting like hell so SMS feels the pressure more than ever.

Which isn't going to help because...

1. The friggin' list isn't final. So give SMS the benefit of the doubt first.
2. If there is a ps4/xb1 compatible driver for any wheel SMS have said they would include it/support those wheels. If Forza 5 or Driveclub can be compatible with certain wheels, so can and will pCARS be.
3. SMS has always gone the extra mile to ensure our wishes are met if it is within reason and possibilities.
4. To WMD members the SMS crew are seen as co-workers, so ranting is the last thing you'd do at especially your boss at an office. A respectful and grown up discussion goes a longer way than any rant.
5. WMD members are members of the community like non-WMD members. So they have the same wishes and demands a non-WMD member has.

I think Felix or anyone of us can shout here EVERY... SINGLE... PAGE... but we are not heard about anything wheel related it seems. To the point where I personal wonder why we still bother.

 

[Blkout]

Well at least we have a definitive answer to our compatibility questions. Before yesterday most of the information we received were assumptions from around the various forums. I already own a PS4 and since I play a lot of games outside the racing genre it doesn't make much sense for me to jump onto the PC wagon.

I guess I'll start saving up for a T500. Perhaps a Black Friday purchase with Project Cars coming out in November.

FWIW, the T300 is a better wheel, you just need a set of decent pedals so grab a set of T3PA's and you're all set. Since the T300 is practically the same as the TX, the FFB is better on the T300 than the T500.

 

[PaullyS]

I have finally got a decent PC. And I can confirm that pCARS drives amazingly. As long as you find a decent car/track combo the AI is really fast and competitive and I think they're on to a real winner here. Well done SMS.

 

[fatkrakr]

Which isn't going to help because...

1. The friggin' list isn't final. So give SMS the benefit of the doubt first.
2. If there is a ps4/xb1 compatible driver for any wheel SMS have said they would include it/support those wheels. If Forza 5 or Driveclub can be compatible with certain wheels, so can and will pCARS be.
3. SMS has always gone the extra mile to ensure our wishes are met if it is within reason and possibilities.
4. To WMD members the SMS crew are seen as co-workers, so ranting is the last thing you'd do at especially your boss at an office. A respectful and grown up discussion goes a longer way than any rant.
5. WMD members are members of the community like non-WMD members. So they have the same wishes and demands a non-WMD member has.

I think Felix or anyone of us can shout here EVERY... SINGLE... PAGE... but we are not heard about anything wheel related it seems. To the point where I personal wonder why we still bother.

Oh everyone here hears you guys. I think most are just wondering why we need to take your words as gospel when it comes to this subject, when you know no more than the rest of us. We are all going on the same very limited info here. I was one to believe there was no way Logitech wouldn't provide a driver, but it sure looks like I was wrong. It COULD still change we all get that, but the chances of it changing is getting less and less every week.

By the way you and Felix don't get to dictate what people are going to discuss in this fourm. The community can discuss anything we like as long as the APU is followed. If the conversation bugs you that much just don't read the comments.



Edit: Thomas from Fanatec has posted some very insightful info in this thread. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/logitech-wheels-on-ps4.313536/#post-9884514