Project CARS General Discussion Thread

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And you dtermined the number of console sales that hangs in the balance with Logitech support isn't worth bothering exactly how? Sony could easily spin this by simply saying ,"Logitech is out of the console peripheral business but we thought it important enough to support our many thousands of loyal customers who previously purchased Logitech wheels and other equipment so we contracted out the development of drivers for their products with Logitech's approval"

If they want it done, it gets done. Simple. The spin afterwards is the easy part.
So what do you think Thrustmasters reaction would be if Sony pay to have Logitech wheels supported, but charged Thrustmaster to get the same support? You think they would say "ah well its good for Sony and Logitech so we will just let it go? My guess is the lawsuit would be filed before the ink dried on the Logitech deal.
 
And you dtermined the number of console sales that hangs in the balance with Logitech support isn't worth bothering exactly how? Sony could easily spin this by simply saying ,"Logitech is out of the console peripheral business but we thought it important enough to support our many thousands of loyal customers who previously purchased Logitech wheels and other equipment so we contracted out the development of drivers for their products with Logitech's approval"

If they want it done, it gets done. Simple. The spin afterwards is the easy part.

First off, this doesn't explain why it isn't Logitech's and Fanatic's responsibility to support their own products.
Second, Sony's incentive to get this "done" is questionable.

There's no way in hell this is happening. And regardless, it doesn't change the fact, that the ball is clearly not in Sony's court.
 
And you dtermined the number of console sales that hangs in the balance with Logitech support isn't worth bothering exactly how? Sony could easily spin this by simply saying ,"Logitech is out of the console peripheral business but we thought it important enough to support our many thousands of loyal customers who previously purchased Logitech wheels and other equipment so we contracted out the development of drivers for their products with Logitech's approval"

If they want it done, it gets done. Simple. The spin afterwards is the easy part.

And don't forget, it would be another punch in Microsofts stomach.
 
Your opinion and not a fact.

If you have nothing to prove it otherwise, I'll constitute it as a fact.
The evidence suggests that this is the case, and there's nothing but conspiracy theories to prove it otherwise.
 
If you have nothing to prove it otherwise, I'll constitute it as a fact.
The evidence suggests that this is the case, and there's nothing but conspiracy theories to prove it otherwise.
You have nothing to prove it. End of discussion for me really. This is getting silly.
 
You have nothing to prove it. End of discussion for me really. This is getting silly.

Except of course for the official PS4 FAQ, and different comments from both Thrustmaster and game devs.
You're the one with no proof mate.
 
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Yes all good and well that you feel like co workers and strictly hold civilized discussions with a glass of brandy over there in the WMD members /gentlemans club, i salute you kind sir. Still doesn't change the fact that no one can give us a descent explanation on who exactly is screwing us over, as they all keep putting the blame for this scam on eachother.

Nobody screwed anyone over. You all had good hopes that up till today haven't come through... yet. But nobody has promised anyone anything I believe. Cause from what I see...

1. Microsoft and Sony remained silent on the matter pre- and post-launch of their consoles. So they didn't promise anything.
2. There has been a press release by Logitech static they were stepping out of the console market prior to the release of the XB1 and PS4. So they already told the world not to expect anything from them. However, people like you tend to twist their words in order to 'keep up hope', which doesn't make you feeling screwed their fault but yours alone.
3. Fanatec has said they wished to release compatible wheels, but apart from a wish and a promise to look into matters they haven't stated anything. As of yet there has been no public news from Fanatec with an update on the matter. Meaning there is no news to report because of reasons. Thomas' recent post is a hint.
4. Thrustmaster and Mad Catz are the ONLY two companies up till now with licenses to make pheripherals for both consoles. Which reeks, in my personal opinion, after a exclusive manufacturing licensing deal for just these two parties. Especially since Thomas stated in his message that for Endor/Fanatec getting a license in itself is not a big deal. Which points to other issues. Though this is suspicions on my part.
5. SMS has said that they would include any wheel compatible pre-release, and patch newly made compatible wheels into the game post-release. Which means you have nothing to be mad about towards them.

So nothing has been a scam and nobody screwed anyone over.

Why do you think new drivers are needed for both consoles?
PS4 - has a new architecture based on a PC like CPU, while the PS3 was based on the CELL cpu. As these processors speak different languages, the drivers are simply not compatible.
XB1 - Microsoft made a new security and communications chip, plus has other demands like the kinect stuff. So new devices need to be made no matter what as to be compatible with Microsofts demands and to contain the necessary hardware. And for that new drivers need to be made anyway.


Sorry, but I really can't see anyone getting screwed by anyone. Well, maybe by the console manufacturers because MS didn't stick to their old hardware, and Sony didn't stick to the extremely complicated CELL architecture.
I just don't see it on SMS' side, nor that of other game studios... Like Evolution Studios (which is even owned by Sony I thin).
Also I think Logitech was clear enough on part of their exit.
Fanatec is trying behind the scenes but with nothing to report, so that's something that's still hopefully. If they can come through before the release of pCARS... only the higher ups of Fanatec know.
So for now it really does just leave those other two, Thrustmaster and Mad Catz, for the consoles. A sad thing but what can you do about it? :indiff:

I would love for all wheels to be PS4 and XB1 compatible. Even the no-name ones and up till the SimSteering and Accuforce wheels. Though I want to suggest staying realistic about it, cause if something after such a long time post-console announcements still isn't getting anywhere quickly... chances are it won't change a lot in the near future either.
So all we can do is wait for a press release of one of the parties involved. Don't hope so you don't get disappointed and be all sour like now, but just treat any positive news in the future as a bonus. ;)
 
So nothing has been a scam and nobody screwed anyone over.
Well if it turns out wheels won't work i can already tell you i will feel screwed over. Of course at the moment you buy a wheel that works on current consoles, it doesnt guarantee that it will be compatible for the next generation, but seeing this is perfectly possible tech wise, the screwing part/ butt hurt comes from all parties involved not being able to make this happen for us.

Don't hope so you don't get disappointed and be all sour like now, but just treat any positive news in the future as a bonus. ;)
Depends on how you look at it, i won't post no anthrax letters yet though ;)
 
Does anyone know what the replay mode will be like? Will they use TV camera style shots? Will you be able to switch to different cars?
 
Before buying my Logitech g27 a couple of moths ago I thought about this scenario an came to the conclusion that expending extra money on the t500 was not worthy since there was a risk of it not being supported and also ps4 may bring a new technology that requires a new wheel. So I bought the Logitech knowing that life span could be short. Not really happy about it but that's what I got because my buying timing: new console out but no racing game available.
 
Why do you have to find a decent car/track combo? Why must this be a gamble? This seems to be a recurring theme that I've heard from pCARS users is that if you get the right car on the right track, it can be amazing. I don't want just select car/track combos to feel right or fun, I expect them all to be on the same level of accuracy.
I'm a little more optimistic than you in the way that I think that every racing game/sim I've ever played had car/track combo's that were Better than others. If every car suited every track there would be something wrong IMO. This kind of scenario of every combo is perfect is more an arcade type gaming experience IMO
 
I'm a little more optimistic than you in the way that I think that every racing game/sim I've ever played had car/track combo's that were Better than others. If every car suited every track there would be something wrong IMO. This kind of scenario of every combo is perfect is more an arcade type gaming experience IMO

I think he maybe means that for races against ai. Because I heared that you must find the perfect car/track combo to have a competitive race against the ai. Otherwise they do mass crashes on each lap and after 2 laps you're on first place.
 
First off, this doesn't explain why it isn't Logitech's and Fanatic's responsibility to support their own products.
Second, Sony's incentive to get this "done" is questionable.

There's no way in hell this is happening. And regardless, it doesn't change the fact, that the ball is clearly not in Sony's court.
Sony's incentive is crystal clear. They have tens or hundreds of thousands of customers who have purchased Logitech wheels solely to play driving/racing games on their system. Some may not get a PS4 if their wheel isn't supported and may turn to PC instead, like I might. Some may get a PS4 and skip racing games if they have to buy a new wheel to enjoy them. Clearly the best route for Sony in terms of maximizing PS4 and game sales is to have all existing peripherals supported to make it as easy as possible for existing Sony customers to transition to the PS4.

There is also a clear difference between Logitech on one side, and Fanatec/Thrustmaster/MadCatz et al on the other side. Logitech has stated they are out of the console peripheral business. I believe it's silly and short sighted of them to not provide drivers for the PS4 and I for one, would never buy another Logitech product again if that is the case. But it is what it is, and if they aren't providing the drivers because they aren't in the console business anymore, it's in Sony's lap to get it done for their own benefit if nothing else. Pay for it, swindle it, convince a third party to get the required licenses and permissions, do whatever you have to do because not supporting Logitech peripherals on the PS4 will be a clear mistake on Sony's part.
 
Well, it looks like the first hate video about PCARS came in today. If you take a look at the comments I had my own little say back to the uploader. (Warning: I might have dropped the F-bomb at the end)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPdNDAtq6o8
Console fanboy has no idea what he's talking about...like a lot of people on Youtube.
 
I have a t500rs and am still hesitant to by a ps4 for project cars because if the other wheels aren't supported then there will be a lot less people to race against. :(
 
There's no way in hell this is happening. And regardless, it doesn't change the fact, that the ball is clearly not in Sony's court.
Except of course for the official PS4 FAQ, and different comments from both Thrustmaster and game devs.
You're the one with no proof mate.
well...
Amar
you are not right on that. As soon as Sony wants to add a wheel then they can do it at anytime. Only Sony decides that and if they don't want to add another wheel then that's it.

And Sony only wants to allow support if a wheel maker is ready to sign a license deal. I cannot speak for anybody else but for us this is no obstacle.
And the official FAQ:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88081577&postcount=237
 
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Sony's incentive is crystal clear. They have tens or hundreds of thousands of customers who have purchased Logitech wheels solely to play driving/racing games on their system. Some may not get a PS4 if their wheel isn't supported and may turn to PC instead, like I might. Some may get a PS4 and skip racing games if they have to buy a new wheel to enjoy them. Clearly the best route for Sony in terms of maximizing PS4 and game sales is to have all existing peripherals supported to make it as easy as possible for existing Sony customers to transition to the PS4.

There is also a clear difference between Logitech on one side, and Fanatec/Thrustmaster/MadCatz et al on the other side. Logitech has stated they are out of the console peripheral business. I believe it's silly and short sighted of them to not provide drivers for the PS4 and I for one, would never buy another Logitech product again if that is the case. But it is what it is, and if they aren't providing the drivers because they aren't in the console business anymore, it's in Sony's lap to get it done for their own benefit if nothing else. Pay for it, swindle it, convince a third party to get the required licenses and permissions, do whatever you have to do because not supporting Logitech peripherals on the PS4 will be a clear mistake on Sony's part.

I think you're severely overestimating how many people would choose to not buy a PS4 if their wheel isn't supported. How many people buy a relatively expensive console, just to play one game. A game that is already availible on other platforms. Hell, some might even look at it as an excuse to upgrade their existing wheel. Unless of course you have the CSR Elite, in which case, I guess it's a downgrade.

I'm aware and have mentioned several times that Logitech is out of the business, and while not providing support for your existing products isn't exactly nice, it is at least a reason. We don't know how much money would actually be required to get Logitech to do this, but I doubt it's cheap. So yes, I believe Sony would lose money on it. And their potential gains don't, as I see it, outweight their potential loss. Hell, we don't even know if this is even possible to do.


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Then Fanatic should get off their asses and do something to get that license. This is a flimsy quote at best to use as evidence for some conspiracy against wheel manufactures.
 
Just a few things
1 please take discussion about the wheels to pms as it's ruining the the thread
Secondly I priced up a PC that would run it on high easily
This was based of a setup used to run bf4 on ultra at 45 fps so a slightly scaling down would allow for 1080p at 60fps
The cost for it to built is £ 530
However shopping around will lower it
Finally the weekly updates that I get have a large amount of improvements and with the constant feedback the game will be ready..

heres just my opinion on ps4 vs the pc
i have aps4 however i am considering buying / building a mid spec pc if you have a ps3 but can afford one my advice is to save up a little more a buy / build a pc as once you have pc the cost of improving goes down as it just small part being updated vary rarely will need to update several parts at once. valso old do have some resale value as well. my advice research first don't forget ps4 will be cheaper at a later date
 
According to Logitech, they are working on drivers for the G27. This is from their Twitter dated Nov 22nd 2013;


@Logitech Hello. I was wondering if there will be driver support on the PS4 for the G27. Thanks in advance.

@LBTRecords we're still working on PS4 support. updates will be posted to the forums when there is news.


Source.


If you have a Twitter account, why not ask them how it's going, & if other wheels like the G25, DFGT, & DF Pro will be supported on PS4 as well.


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According to Logitech, they are working on drivers for the G27. This is from their Twitter dated Nov 22nd 2013;


@Logitech Hello. I was wondering if there will be driver support on the PS4 for the G27. Thanks in advance.

@LBTRecords we're still working on PS4 support. updates will be posted to the forums when there is news.


Source.


If you have a Twitter account, why not ask them how it's going, & if other wheels like the G25, DFGT, & DF Pro will be supported on PS4 as well.


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If you scroll down and look at the comments you see Logitech seems in no hurry for an support. They posted several times that there are no news about any driver yet.

Last Logitech post from yesterday :

@MartinTiebe Nope, no news on our end. Stay tuned for potential updates though.
 
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