Project CARS General Discussion Thread

[Johnnypenso]

Oh everyone here hears you guys. I think most are just wondering why we need to take your words as gospel when it comes to this subject, when you know no more than the rest of us. We are all going on the same very limited info here. I was one to believe there was no way Logitech wouldn't provide a driver, but it sure looks like I was wrong. It COULD still change we all get that, but the chances of it changing is getting less and less every week.

By the way you and Felix don't get to dictate what people are going to discuss in this fourm. The community can discuss anything we like as long as the APU is followed. If the conversation bugs you that much just don't read the comments.

Edit: Thomas from Fanatec has posted some very insightful info in this thread. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/logitech-wheels-on-ps4.313536/#post-9884514

It's not @LogiForce 's words that are gospel, he's quoting an official source saying the list isn't final. Engaging in pointless ranting and hysterics is just that - pointless. It's 4 months until release, plenty can change in that time.

 

[fatkrakr]

It's not @LogiForce 's words that are gospel, he's quoting an official source saying the list isn't final. Engaging in pointless ranting and hysterics is just that - pointless. It's 4 months until release, plenty can change in that time.

I haven't seen a lot of pointless ranting or hysteria in this or the other thread. Sure some are voicing there displeasure with the current wheel situation, but ranting and hysteria? Besides, atleast according to Thomas from Fanatec, it seems Sony is indeed holding all the cards on wheel compatibility. So in that respect we are all wrong about why these wheels are not working with the PS4 yet.

 

[Blkout]

I have finally got a decent PC. And I can confirm that pCARS drives amazingly. As long as you find a decent car/track combo the AI is really fast and competitive and I think they're on to a real winner here. Well done SMS.

Why do you have to find a decent car/track combo? Why must this be a gamble? This seems to be a recurring theme that I've heard from pCARS users is that if you get the right car on the right track, it can be amazing. I don't want just select car/track combos to feel right or fun, I expect them all to be on the same level of accuracy.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I haven't seen a lot of pointless ranting or hysteria in this or the other thread. Sure some are voicing there displeasure with the current wheel situation, but ranting and hysteria? Besides, atleast according to Thomas from Fanatec, it seems Sony is indeed holding all the cards on wheel compatibility. So in that respect we are all wrong about why these wheels are not working with the PS4 yet.

No we aren't all wrong about why these wheels aren't working on the PS4. I've already said several times in this forum and others that the responsibility for getting the wheels into the game rests almost entirely with Sony. Others have said the same. Many of us are well aware who is in the driver's seat in this situation.

Why do you have to find a decent car/track combo? Why must this be a gamble? This seems to be a recurring theme that I've heard from pCARS users is that if you get the right car on the right track, it can be amazing. I don't want just select car/track combos to feel right or fun, I expect them all to be on the same level of accuracy.

Because, as has been repeated ad nauseum, the game is still beta and still under development. On top of that, not all car/track combinations are going to feel right, some cars are just more suited to some layouts than others, it's a natural thing.

 

[fatkrakr]

No we aren't all wrong about why these wheels aren't working on the PS4. I've already said several times in this forum and others that the responsibility for getting the wheels into the game rests almost entirely with Sony. Others have said the same. Many of us are well aware who is in the driver's seat in this situation.

Because, as has been repeated ad nauseum, the game is still beta and still under development. On top of that, not all car/track combinations are going to feel right, some cars are just more suited to some layouts than others, it's a natural thing.

With all due respect, what you have been saying all along is that you want Sony to pay Logitech to make the drivers. That's a bit different than knowing that Sony is wanting a license fee from all manufactures.

 

[Sele1981]

Oh everyone here hears you guys. I think most are just wondering why we need to take your words as gospel when it comes to this subject, when you know no more than the rest of us. We are all going on the same very limited info here. I was one to believe there was no way Logitech wouldn't provide a driver, but it sure looks like I was wrong. It COULD still change we all get that, but the chances of it changing is getting less and less every week.

By the way you and Felix don't get to dictate what people are going to discuss in this fourm. The community can discuss anything we like as long as the APU is followed. If the conversation bugs you that much just don't read the comments.



Edit: Thomas from Fanatec has posted some very insightful info in this thread. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/logitech-wheels-on-ps4.313536/#post-9884514

Didn't knew the legendary amar is thomas?

 

[fatkrakr]

Didn't knew the legendary amar is thomas?

Read the whole thread.

 

[Sele1981]

Why do you have to find a decent car/track combo? Why must this be a gamble? This seems to be a recurring theme that I've heard from pCARS users is that if you get the right car on the right track, it can be amazing. I don't want just select car/track combos to feel right or fun, I expect them all to be on the same level of accuracy.

I watched an German video on YouTube from this Sunday, called rennsonntag #30. He is on Silverstone with formula b cars. Hell, I was shocked after watching that video. I am on my smartphone so I cant link it now but you have to see it.

Also he has some good points in that video. It is 2-3 months until the game must become gold status and still you can hear sms is working on a ton of things. I don't know how they will do all this tons of things in this short time.

 

[Blkout]

No we aren't all wrong about why these wheels aren't working on the PS4. I've already said several times in this forum and others that the responsibility for getting the wheels into the game rests almost entirely with Sony. Others have said the same. Many of us are well aware who is in the driver's seat in this situation.

Because, as has been repeated ad nauseum, the game is still beta and still under development. On top of that, not all car/track combinations are going to feel right, some cars are just more suited to some layouts than others, it's a natural thing.

And we're in the final stages of pre-release, these sort of issues should have already been sorted out and the final polish being applied now. I find it dissapointing that we're a few months away and I still hear talk of car and track physics being off except for a few select combos. This is the same talk that was going on a year ago and its still happening today.

 

[LogiForce]

Oh everyone here hears you guys. I think most are just wondering why we need to take your words as gospel when it comes to this subject, when you know no more than the rest of us. We are all going on the same very limited info here. I was one to believe there was no way Logitech wouldn't provide a driver, but it sure looks like I was wrong. It COULD still change we all get that, but the chances of it changing is getting less and less every week.

By the way you and Felix don't get to dictate what people are going to discuss in this fourm. The community can discuss anything we like as long as the APU is followed. If the conversation bugs you that much just don't read the comments.



Edit: Thomas from Fanatec has posted some very insightful info in this thread. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/logitech-wheels-on-ps4.313536/#post-9884514

Why you should take my words as gospel? I am not saying ypu should but I have a few reasons why you could decide to.
Reasons being I am maybe closer to the fire than most of you guys?
I am a WMD member, and I am also a Fanatec alpha/beta tester and thus hear things from both the hardware and game developer sides. Plus I have an ICT background to give me the knowledge needed to understand what actually is going on and why some things work the way they work. So stuff related to operating systems, drivers and all that nerdy stuff.

So what Thomas says there is something I knew all along while talking to you guys. Which is why I said whatever I could into that direction, without disclosing any inside information that is considered confidential.
What or who you guys wish to believe is up to you, but at least I will know what is going no matter if my word is accepted or not.

 

[fatkrakr]

The friggin' list isn't final.

So why get so frustrated when people don't take your word as final.

 

[LogiForce]

The friggin' list isn't final.

So why get so frustrated when people don't take your word as final.

Because after the 100th double facepalm type of, from my point of view, idiotic thinking and reasoning... it gets a bit annoying and frustrating. It is not so much that they don't take my word as final, but it is annoying that nobody seems to learn a thing from the info out there. Or the fact that nobody even tries to research anything, but choose to think up nonsense out of nowhere. And the headless chickens that blindly believe some things said.

So with that said. My advice is for anyone: Do not take my word for granted, nor that of Thomas or anyone. Always be like a journalist and try to find ways to verify any statements.

 

[fatkrakr]

Well my suggestion than is not to take peoples comments personal and know that people read what you have to say and take that info along with other info they have gotten to come up with their own conclusions.

 

[Jawehawk]

No we aren't all wrong about why these wheels aren't working on the PS4. I've already said several times in this forum and others that the responsibility for getting the wheels into the game rests almost entirely with Sony. Others have said the same. Many of us are well aware who is in the driver's seat in this situation.

Indeed, you have on several occasions given your, to put it mildly, silly explanation for why it's Sony's responsibility to get the Logitech and Fanatic wheels working. Meanwhile, others have come forward with actual proof that the wheels will work on the PS4 as long as the wheel makers get off their asses and support their products.

Sony isn't stopping Logitech and Fanatic from getting their wheels to work.

And no. Sony is not going to pay the wheel makers to do their job. Nor should they.

 

[Zelalem]

It's up for the game console developers (Sony) to verify if their driver support will accommodate external wheel controllers, or to update it in a timely manner. I hope this information help

http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Logitech-G-Controllers/G27-Racing-Wheel-with-PS4/td-p/1139367

The friggin' list isn't final.

So why get so frustrated when people don't take your word as final.

We don't know who is to blame, too. It could be Sony, another company, the wheel manufacture, or even your neighbor or the guy you buy your coffee from every morning

 

[fatkrakr]

So know it seems Sony and Logitech are going to play the blame game. Not good news for us wheel users if both parties are blaming the other. That normally ends in nothing being done.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Indeed, you have on several occasions given your, to put it mildly, silly explanation for why it's Sony's responsibility to get the Logitech and Fanatic wheels working. Meanwhile, others have come forward with actual proof that the wheels will work on the PS4 as long as the wheel makers get off their asses and support their products.

Sony isn't stopping Logitech and Fanatic from getting their wheels to work.

And no. Sony is not going to pay the wheel makers to do their job. Nor should they.

You're looking at things from a personal standpoint. This is business. Its not about who is right. Its about getting stuff done. Sony is the big dog in this fight. Big dogs don't wait around for the little dogs to follow, they make them follow, if that's what they truly want. If they want it done, its done, simple as that. If they don't get it done there's an alterior motive at work here.

 

[fatkrakr]

You're looking at things from a personal standpoint. This is business. There is no "should" in business. Its not about who is right, which is where "should" fits in. Sony is the big dog in this fight. Big dogs don't wait around for the little dogs to follow, they make them follow, if that's what they truly want. If they want it done, its done, simple as that. If they don't get it done there's an alterior motive at work here.

Your not looking at it from a business point of view, but a personal point of view. You want you wheel to work and want Sony to do whatever it takes for your wheel to work. Your not thinking of the business side where Sony would be setting a precedent for other wheel makers to want Sony to pay them for wheel support.

 

[Jawehawk]

And from a business standpoint, it would be a dumb move to throw money at wheel makers, when you aren't looking at anything in return. The number of people whose decision to get a PS4 rests on this, isn't high enough. And as a whole, Sony aren't exactly doing great financially.

And why exactly isn't it Logitechs and Fanatics responsibility to provide support for their products?
Sure, Logitech is out of the console game. But Fanatic, who are chargning a lot of money for their wheels, can't even be bothered with making their own drivers? The fact remains that Sony isn't stopping neither Logitech nor Fanatic, and that Sony has not actively gone out an made sure that older wheels don't work. I applaud them for that.

And I'm certainly not going to hold them responsible for supporting products that aren't theirs.

 

[Sele1981]

http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Logitech-G-Controllers/G27-Racing-Wheel-with-PS4/td-p/1139367
We don't know who is to blame, too. It could be Sony, another company, the wheel manufacture, or even your neighbor or the guy you buy your coffee from every morning

Thanks for the link but three posts under the answer there is this:

No disrespect but it seems like your answer is a complete contradiction to a Sony developer who is developing there new game Driveclub.
he states that they will support logic wheels on ps4 if logitech support and bring their product to the ps4.
Here is the link
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2014/04/30/driveclub-update-evolution-studios-2/

 

[Zelalem]

Thanks for the link but three posts under the answer there is this:

Indeed. But who is telling the truth?

 

[fatkrakr]

Thanks for the link but three posts under the answer there is this:

No disrespect but it seems like your answer is a complete contradiction to a Sony developer who is developing there new game Driveclub.
he states that they will support logic wheels on ps4 if logitech support and bring their product to the ps4.
Here is the link
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2014/04/30/driveclub-update-evolution-studios-2/

That's why I think it isn't looking good for consumers. As long as they are blaming each other no support is being worked on.

 

[Zelalem]

The fact remains that Sony isn't stopping neither Logitech nor Fanatic, and that Sony has not actively gone out an made sure that older wheels don't work. I applaud them for that.

How do you know, if Sony is willing to give them the license, they seem to need, because wheels are an controller?
Look:

Keyboards are supported across the board, but it seems controllers are a different story. official FAQ


edit
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88081577&postcount=237

Edit..
Thrustmaster has the license already
http://www.thrustmaster.com/news/thrustmaster-official-partner-sony-computer-entertainment-europe

 

[fatkrakr]

Also Fanatecs statement about not having a problem paying the fee should be takin with a grain of salt. Of course they don't have an issue with the fee, because they aren't paying it. If the Logitech wheels get support so will Fanatec. They may very well be working on their own drivers for their wheels, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Jawehawk]

How do you know, if Sony is willing to give them the license, they seem to need, because wheels are an controller?
Look:

Because Sony has no logical reason to not sell the license to Logitech and/or Fanatic?

If anything this link, a link that we've already shared ealier, gives further evidence that it's perfectly possible for both Logitech and Fanatic to get their wheels working on the PS4.

 

[Zelalem]

Because Sony has no logical reason to not sell the license to Logitech and/or Fanatic?

No offense, but this is your opinion and not a fact as you stated in your post.

Who knows who is to blame. It could be Sony, wheel manufactures or a little bit of both.

 

[Jawehawk]

No offense, but this is your opinion and not a fact as you stated in your post.

There's nothing there to suggest that Logitech and Fanatic can't acquire the license. That pretty much makes it a fact that any wheel maker can buy the license. At least based on the info that is given to us.

 

[Zelalem]

There's nothing there to suggest that Logitech and Fanatic can't acquire the license. That pretty much makes it a fact that any wheel maker can buy the license. At least based on the info that is given to us.

Those agreements are under NDA. Therefore nobody outside of those companys knows what prevents them. Could be costs or any other demand. In logitech case it could be that sony isn't willing to give the ps4 license to any manufacture which doesn't creates new productes for their console, in their case wheels anymore. We don't know anything, so everything is possible.

 

[mister dog]

Which isn't going to help because...

1. The friggin' list isn't final. So give SMS the benefit of the doubt first.
2. If there is a ps4/xb1 compatible driver for any wheel SMS have said they would include it/support those wheels. If Forza 5 or Driveclub can be compatible with certain wheels, so can and will pCARS be.
3. SMS has always gone the extra mile to ensure our wishes are met if it is within reason and possibilities.
4. To WMD members the SMS crew are seen as co-workers, so ranting is the last thing you'd do at especially your boss at an office. A respectful and grown up discussion goes a longer way than any rant.
5. WMD members are members of the community like non-WMD members. So they have the same wishes and demands a non-WMD member has.

I think Felix or anyone of us can shout here EVERY... SINGLE... PAGE... but we are not heard about anything wheel related it seems. To the point where I personal wonder why we still bother.

Yes all good and well that you feel like co workers and strictly hold civilized discussions with a glass of brandy over there in the WMD members /gentlemans club, i salute you kind sir. Still doesn't change the fact that no one can give us a descent explanation on who exactly is screwing us over, as they all keep putting the blame for this scam on eachother.

 

[Johnnypenso]

And from a business standpoint, it would be a dumb move to throw money at wheel makers, when you aren't looking at anything in return. The number of people whose decision to get a PS4 rests on this, isn't high enough. And as a whole, Sony aren't exactly doing great financially.

And why exactly isn't it Logitechs and Fanatics responsibility to provide support for their products?
Sure, Logitech is out of the console game. But Fanatic, who are chargning a lot of money for their wheels, can't even be bothered with making their own drivers? The fact remains that Sony isn't stopping neither Logitech nor Fanatic, and that Sony has not actively gone out an made sure that older wheels don't work. I applaud them for that.

And I'm certainly not going to hold them responsible for supporting products that aren't theirs.

And you dtermined the number of console sales that hangs in the balance with Logitech support isn't worth bothering exactly how? Sony could easily spin this by simply saying ,"Logitech is out of the console peripheral business but we thought it important enough to support our many thousands of loyal customers who previously purchased Logitech wheels and other equipment so we contracted out the development of drivers for their products with Logitech's approval"

If they want it done, it gets done. Simple. The spin afterwards is the easy part.