Project CARS General Discussion Thread

[crowhop]

I wish that more console gamers jumped to pc. Having done it myself the freedom with gaming makes it so much better. you aren't restricted by manufactures dealings so much.

It is a huge investment and too much build-it-yourself to get to the masses. There needs to be a plug and play option, otherwise it will never be more than a niche. The Steam Box has huge potential.

I am in the process of building my own. If I thought it could take off, I'd make a business out of it.

 

[blowfishrulez]

There is no reason they cannot do GTA on both the PS4 and PS3. I look for them to use the GTA on PS4 and the "demo", similar to how they did GTA as the demo for GT6.
As I said, I may be completely off base. This is simply calculated speculation. But it would make too much sense for them not to.

It really all depends on their timeline and how quickly they want GT7 on the PS4. For them financially, the sooner the better.

Let's not forget the official FIA endorsed and regulated "Virtual Racing Championship" using PD Technology that has been announced last year :-)

 

[blowfishrulez]

Steambox is a dead horse already. It contradicts the benefits of having specific console hardware that is specialized and the same to every user and developer. Then, the studios are working with DirectX on a Windows Platform. Why would they adopt to a wonky steam os when every windows pc, using steam in big picture mode, does exactly what the steam box is supposed to be doing...using...windows. Even the hardware providers have gone on strike mode because they cant make money off the steambox concept.

 

[Imari]

It is a huge investment...

It's not.

Especially when you math it out beside the costs of a console plus the basic net PC that most people own already.

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

...and too much build-it-yourself...

It doesn't have to be.

Building a computer is about as difficult as building whatever random thing you buy from Ikea. But there are off the shelf versions available for not much more, and all the parts shops I know will build for you for a pretty reasonable cost if you buy parts from them.

There needs to be a plug and play option, otherwise it will never be more than a niche.

People vastly overestimate the difficulty of buying a computer off the shelf, installing Steam and playing some games. Most stuff just works. If you can use the internet and a console, a basic PC is unlikely to pose major difficulties.

 

[crowhop]

It's not.

Especially when you math it out beside the costs of a console plus the basic net PC that most people own already.

http://www.logicalincrements.com/



It doesn't have to be.

Building a computer is about as difficult as building whatever random thing you buy from Ikea. But there are off the shelf versions available for not much more, and all the parts shops I know will build for you for a pretty reasonable cost if you buy parts from them.



People vastly overestimate the difficulty of buying a computer off the shelf, installing Steam and playing some games. Most stuff just works. If you can use the internet and a console, a basic PC is unlikely to pose major difficulties.

The newest generation of consoles are $300-$400. A similarly priced pc will not play pCars.

Most people in the US have smart phones as their primary internet device. Perhaps a tablet. Their laptop is 3 years old or more and gets less usage by the day. Personally, I never use a pc at home anymore. The only person I know on this earth who uses their pc as their primary internet access point is my 62 year old step mom so she can "facebook".

I am completely with you on building a gaming pc. It is not all that complex and there are thousands upon thousands of resources out there for those looking to do it. But it is not for the every-man.

 

[Imari]

The newest generation of consoles are $300-$400. A similarly priced pc will not play pCars.

Let me quote myself.

Especially when you math it out beside the costs of a console plus the basic net PC that most people own already.

Most people have a PC in some capacity already. Maybe it's just a $2-300 piece of junk that they use for browsing and porn. That's fine.

What if then, the next time they went to upgrade to another $2-300 piece of junk, they instead took that money and added it to their $400 for a console. Now they've got $700, and you can buy something that will run pCARS for that, unless they've seriously changed the minimum specs since I last looked. I'm too lazy to go check.

People weigh a gaming PC directly against a console, ignoring the fact that really they should just be using the console money to upgrade the PC they almost certainly already have. Head to head, yeah, the console looks like a good deal. Doing it properly, because most people don't need a separate computer for gaming, it's about even.

Most people in the US have smart phones as their primary internet device. Perhaps a tablet. Their laptop is 3 years old or more and gets less usage by the day. Personally, I never use a pc at home anymore. The only person I know on this earth who uses their pc as their primary internet access point is my 62 year old step mom so she can "facebook".

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. That may be your experience, but it's not how the majority of households in the US are. Most people in the US do not have smart phones or tablets as their primary internet device.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...internet-connection-varies-widely-across-u-s/

Overall, 84% of U.S. households own a computer, and 73% of U.S. households have a computer with a broadband connection to the internet, the bureau reported.

...

Despite the rising popularity of smartphones and other mobile devices to access the internet, relatively few people rely exclusively on these devices for access to the internet—less than 6 million households, or about 5%. Again, this is something that Pew Research has documented, though our surveys have also found that about a third of those who use smartphones to go online mostly use their mobile device to connect, rather than a wired computer.

I'd say that a person that would buy a console is probably more likely to be of the 84% of households that own a computer than not. You notice that I used $2-300 as a generic price for a computer, which is absolute bargain basement stuff. I think it's a safe bet that most people looking at buying a console already have some sort of personal computer, and that they spent at least $200 on it.

But it is not for the every-man.

Maybe not. But the reasons are not "it's a huge investment and too much build-it-yourself". Neither are true. It's not a huge investment, and there's no need to build it yourself.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Maybe not. But the reasons are not "it's a huge investment and too much build-it-yourself". Neither are true. It's not a huge investment, and there's no need to build it yourself.

For reference, it cost me about $100 to have someone build mine, completely custom.

 

[ozwheels]

You guys have to remember with the PC vs console debate that it's not all about money. The new consoles are geared to be much more social and be able to have fun whether you're playing with each other on the same game or not.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

People weigh a gaming PC directly against a console, ignoring the fact that really they should just be using the console money to upgrade the PC they almost certainly already have. Head to head, yeah, the console looks like a good deal. Doing it properly, because most people don't need a separate computer for gaming, it's about even.

That assumes the PC you're upgrading is a tower; can't speak for everyone obviously but for me, I couldn't simply upgrade my laptop/tablet convertible to a gaming tower because I'd lose portability and beddable computing So I don't think you can always make that comparison. I don't disagree with your general points about building PCs though, although I've never done it myself.

 

[Imari]

You guys have to remember with the PC vs console debate that it's not all about money. The new consoles are geared to be much more social and be able to have fun whether you're playing with each other on the same game or not.

And that's fine. There are good reasons like these to choose one platform over another. Why does anyone choose PS over Xbox? Because they like the games, their friends play on it, they prefer certain features, whatever.

It's the same with consoles vs PC. There are some features that come with the consoles that just aren't that readily available on PC, and that's fine. I'm not trying to make the argument that any one is significantly better than the others. In fact, I'm saying the opposite, that in many ways (such as cost or accessability) they're all similar and thus you should choose which one suits the way you want to game.

 

[mister dog]

New console @ 400 bucks + new wheel @ 300 bucks + annual PSN subscription @ 60 bucks + extra controller at 40 bucks = 800 total in order to have a 'next gen' experience with everything as you had your setup last gen.

I just bought a gaming pc pre assembled from ebay for 700, and i am using my current wheel and i can use my current controllers + no need to pay for playing online.

See where i'm getting at? And in 5 years time you can invest 800 bucks once more and start all over again on PS5/Xtwo, whilst all i need to do is buy a new graphics card.

 

[crowhop]

For reference, it cost me about $100 to have someone build mine, completely custom.

How much did you pay in total?

I will be close to $1200 in total when it is all said and done. I've had fun piecing mine together.

 

[Johnnypenso]

How much did you pay in total?

I will be close to $1200 in total when it is all said and done. I've had fun piecing mine together.

Everything in around $1600. Taxes up here are 13%. Parts were a little more expensive with our dollar hovering around $0.80 US. For PS4 + T300 + Shifter and 3 pedals was around $1400ish everything in. I kept my G27 instead and I will upgrade the wheel when the bugs are sorted out of the T300 and keep my pedals and upgrade the shifter.

 

[crowhop]

Everything in around $1600. Taxes up here are 13%. Parts were a little more expensive with our dollar hovering around $0.80 US. For PS4 + T300 + Shifter and 3 pedals was around $1400ish everything in. I kept my G27 instead and I will upgrade the wheel when the bugs are sorted out of the T300 and keep my pedals and upgrade the shifter.

I've got to figure out the wheel situation. Will probably get a T300, pedals and shifter. But will only do it if I get a deal. The G27 is so tempting for $200.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I've got to figure out the wheel situation. Will probably get a T300, pedals and shifter. But will only do it if I get a deal. The G27 is so tempting for $200.

The G27 pedals with the GTEYE mod are very good IMO. And the shifter and pedals can be adapted to the T300 later so when you upgrade you only need buy the wheel at first, then the shifter and pedals but you'll have the G27 as backup. For $200 you can't lose in the long run.

 

[ozwheels]

I've got to figure out the wheel situation. Will probably get a T300, pedals and shifter. But will only do it if I get a deal. The G27 is so tempting for $200.

I just got a T300 and it's definitely worth the money without a doubt.

 

[InsaneMode2Go]

I've got to figure out the wheel situation. Will probably get a T300, pedals and shifter. But will only do it if I get a deal. The G27 is so tempting for $200.

If the G27 was compatible with the ps4, I would of bought it months ago. The T300 is double that! Plus a Playseat and/or Wheelstand. Lost on what do to...I've heard great things about the t300 but the price.. Oh the price

 

[Simfan David]

Everything in around $1600. Taxes up here are 13%. Parts were a little more expensive with our dollar hovering around $0.80 US. For PS4 + T300 + Shifter and 3 pedals was around $1400ish everything in. I kept my G27 instead and I will upgrade the wheel when the bugs are sorted out of the T300 and keep my pedals and upgrade the shifter.

What bugs does the t300 have. I just got mine and it seams to work fine. I did have to get my pedals replaced though. I'm getting the t3pa when available so it wasn't a big deal. By the way, thrustmaster's customer service was great. 👍

 

[Johnnypenso]

What bugs does the t300 have. I just got mine and it seams to work fine. I did have to get my pedals replaced though. I'm getting the t3pa when available so it wasn't a big deal. By the way, thrustmaster's customer service was great. 👍

Just going by anecdotal reports I see in different forums. The pedal issue seems to affect a huge portion of the buyers so far.

 

[crowhop]

What bugs does the t300 have. I just got mine and it seams to work fine. I did have to get my pedals replaced though. I'm getting the t3pa when available so it wasn't a big deal. By the way, thrustmaster's customer service was great. 👍

Several issues in the first few production runs. Things seem to be getting better. Or already have.
I almost got one after Thanksgiving when they were $100 off on Amazon. I didn't realize then how much of a deal that was.
Was torn between it and the $400 T500. Didn't get either. Should have gotten five of both.

I have a DFGT now, so most anything will be an upgrade.

 

[Wolfe]

Most people in the US have smart phones as their primary internet device. Perhaps a tablet. Their laptop is 3 years old or more and gets less usage by the day. Personally, I never use a pc at home anymore. The only person I know on this earth who uses their pc as their primary internet access point is my 62 year old step mom so she can "facebook".

Maybe I have more gray hairs than my wife has discovered so far, because I browse the internet with a "real" computer and have never owned a smartphone. But I'm only 28.

 

[Yeratel84]

New console @ 400 bucks + new wheel @ 300 bucks + annual PSN subscription @ 60 bucks + extra controller at 40 bucks = 800 total in order to have a 'next gen' experience with everything as you had your setup last gen.

I just bought a gaming pc pre assembled from ebay for 700, and i am using my current wheel and i can use my current controllers + no need to pay for playing online.

See where i'm getting at? And in 5 years time you can invest 800 bucks once more and start all over again on PS5/Xtwo, whilst all i need to do is buy a new graphics card.

Did that same maths a month ago, when I was trying to decide between upgrading my PC or buying a PS4 plus everything you mentioned (I use a G25). Decided on the former, especially considering the PS4 pack would be an investment for just 1 game...

How much did you pay in total?

I will be close to $1200 in total when it is all said and done. I've had fun piecing mine together.

Everything in around $1600. Taxes up here are 13%. Parts were a little more expensive with our dollar hovering around $0.80 US. For PS4 + T300 + Shifter and 3 pedals was around $1400ish everything in. I kept my G27 instead and I will upgrade the wheel when the bugs are sorted out of the T300 and keep my pedals and upgrade the shifter.

Couple weeks ago, I just spent around 1200€ (~$1360 US/~$1700 CA), upgrading my PC (only kept HDDs from previous build), but I'm confident I now have one that will be able to not only handle pCARS, but also most games in the next few years. Only thing I think I'm missing now is a SSD, but will get one by Summer time...

 

[mister dog]

Maybe I have more gray hairs than my wife has discovered so far, because I browse the internet with a "real" computer and have never owned a smartphone. But I'm only 28.

You should join the club man!

For PS4 + T300 + Shifter and 3 pedals was around $1400ish everything in. I kept my G27 instead and I will upgrade the wheel when the bugs are sorted out of the T300 and keep my pedals and upgrade the shifter.

I even forgot to count in descent pedals and a shifter! 1400 just for a bloody console setup

 

[VBR]

After a bit of "wheeling & dealing" on ebay (pun intended), I've now got a brand new & sealed Logitech G27 at the grand old price of about £40. I'll be keeping that to use for Project CARS, hopefully on console, otherwise I might be inclined to spend my £300 PS4 budget on a second hand gaming PC.

 

[blowfishrulez]

PCars is the first game in years that made me even contemplating with buying a new PC (2.500€ Range). But the PS4 version looks so convincing that i've decided to go PS4 all the way. Plus: My Racing Community is on PSN too.

 

[Johnnypenso]

This great feature has now come to AC and I think IMHO it should be in all racing games, the HeliCorsa Radar App. It comes in so handy for knowing where everyone is around you without having to hit buttons to look back and see who is there and covers those all important blind spots with ease. GT5 had a scalable mini map which did the same job and made for much cleaner racing overall and HeliCorsa takes it one step further in that it flashes when someone is close to you and you can instantly notice it off to the side of the screen like an early warning system. I think of it as a kind of non-verbal spotter. If something like this is not in the game, could someone please suggest it?

 

[blowfishrulez]

Looks sleek, have to try it out ingame to figure if it actually adds any useful information for me. Usually my spatial awareness is pretty good and when you go 2,3 wide into a corner you need to hold your line anyways or even bail out before that happens. It also may not save you from getting overtaken, instead may even encourage you to use rude blocking instead of clean, defensive driving.

I have high hopes for VR to give me exactly what i want to see, when i want to see it in a natural way.

 

[Termite111]

My problem with pc gaming and the reason I still use consoles is the ease of it.
I have tried Pc gaming with iracing etc and it was brilliant at first UNTIL my pc started giving me problems and as someone built it for me I haven't a clue about pc's or how to fix issues so when I go to play iracing or whatever I find myself frustratingly trying to fix the pc instead.

No doubt about it if you know things about computers like a lot of mates I know do its worth while but if your like me and not got a clue it's very frustrating and that's why personally I'll always have a console.

 

[blowfishrulez]

^ this. Plus i like to play from my couch. In this environment, Mouse/Keyboard input is not really appropriate. When i then see that i really can use the console for 7+ years without investing anything in hardware i can easily pay for PS+ as well. Heck, my iMac is from early 2009 and still does a really good Job for everyday usage, besides gaming. I do my PCars testing on a pretty meaty mobile workstation that i use for my RL profession.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Looks sleek, have to try it out ingame to figure if it actually adds any useful information for me. Usually my spatial awareness is pretty good and when you go 2,3 wide into a corner you need to hold your line anyways or even bail out before that happens. It also may not save you from getting overtaken, instead may even encourage you to use rude blocking instead of clean, defensive driving.

I have high hopes for VR to give me exactly what i want to see, when i want to see it in a natural way.

If you are a clean racer, this app won't change that. It won't save you from getting overtaken obviously, but a quick glance at the mini-map tells you if the person beside you still has overlap and how much and when you are clear. I made two passes last night where I'd normally not be certain I had cleared the other person until I got into a straightline again and could use the look back button, but with the app, I could see I was clear with a quick glance and let my car drift out to the edge of the track with no concern about contact and was able to keep my momentum up.

My problem with pc gaming and the reason I still use consoles is the ease of it.
I have tried Pc gaming with iracing etc and it was brilliant at first UNTIL my pc started giving me problems and as someone built it for me I haven't a clue about pc's or how to fix issues so when I go to play iracing or whatever I find myself frustratingly trying to fix the pc instead.

No doubt about it if you know things about computers like a lot of mates I know do its worth while but if your like me and not got a clue it's very frustrating and that's why personally I'll always have a console.

There's no question pc's are not just plug and play like consoles, but until PCars at least, there just isn't any comparison between the sim racing experience on pc vs. console, it's day and night. To me it's so different, it might as well be two different gaming genres. I was in the same boat as you as well, I know nothing about PC's but I did my research, chose my parts carefully and had someone build it. I have spent some time over the last few months researching how things work and how to fix issues that pop up but if a non-tekky guy like me can figure out, I think anyone can figure it out.