Project CARS - Logitech Wheels NOT Supported on PS4

[Kronos1979]

Well I guess we all know the true reason for the delays of the release!

 

[ToyGTone]

Great news about hearing the Fanatec wheels being supported for the ps4 but is the fanatec wheels any cheaper and better than the thrustmaster one's??

I guess i better buy a fanatec wheel then as it's works with Ps3, Ps4 and PC which what i want right now.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I assume Fanatec have gotten their drivers added into the PS4 OS or have been directly written into pCARS code itself, which is enough for in game support from pCARS.

The fact that you need to put the wheel into PC mode rather than PS3 mode means it's not running as a Logitech compatible wheel but using Fanatec native drivers.

Sounded like drivers are only in this game so far although I imagine it can be added to other games.

Great news about hearing the Fanatec wheels being supported for the ps4 but is the fanatec wheels any cheaper and better than the thrustmaster one's??

I guess i better buy a fanatec wheel then as it's works with Ps3, Ps4 and PC which what i want right now.

I think T300 probably offers better value for money and official PS4 support, only wheels that can compete or are better from Fanatec it seems are the CSW and CSWV2.

 

[novcze]

Hence why i said that if fanatec's do work in menu's the security chip story is BS?

but do they work? ... imo they work only in-game

 

[mister dog]

but do they work? ... imo they work only in-game

They only announced they will be compatible, no word about that yet as far as i know.

 

[DrJustice]

PS4/XBONE support was never a feature of the Logitech wheels. Why would they spend money on supporting a new platform that will in turn cost more money for them to support over time? And why would they do this for products they dont make anymore?

I think the G27 and DFGT is still being made. Logitech themselves promote and sell it one and a half years after the no-more-console-gear announcement. I.e. they're very much in the FFB wheels business, it just looks like they're out of new product development. Compatibility for the new consoles would sell a lot more G27s and DFGTs. That's said, a PS4 Logitech driver seems unlikely.

 

[skazz]

A simple Fanatec set (e.g. GT3RS and non-load-cell CSR pedals) would come to around €260 at the moment. T300 has already dropped to just over €300 in some shops here (and it will head down to €290 following the TX over time).

Personally, from experience of the GT2 versus the T300: I'd pick the T300 every time for FFB quality. It's a significant step up. Pedals would go to the Fanatec, just as clearly. The deciding factor would be guaranteed support of all other games on the PS4. Right now we don't know anything except in-game pCARS support for the Fanatec wheels, which means nothing for Driveclub, GT7, F1 2015, DiRT 4, Sebastian Loeb Rally Evo, WRC5, etc...

 

[Spitfire77]

For the USA with shipping and tax I am looking at..

$275 for the Fanatec 911 GT3 RS with CSR pedals which can be modded and a pedal converted to hand brake.

or $430 for the Thrustmaster T300

 

[drivatar]

They only announced they will be compatible, no word about that yet as far as i know.

PS3 had some generic USB HID support for game controllers. PS4 doesn't. Only devices with the "PS4 chip" can control the OS.

But PS4 games can include their own driver to support any(?) USB device.

On PS3 and PS4 there is no generic wheel support within the operating system like it is on Xbox 360 or One.

On PS every game needs to integrate special drivers to make a peripheral work. But it is not difficult to implement those drivers. The challenge for us was to develop those drivers. We now gave the drivers to the game developers and you can expect more compatible games in future.

https://www.fanatec.com/forum/discussion/comment/5716/#Comment_5716

 

[mister dog]

PS3 had some generic USB HID support. PS4 doesn't. Only devices with the "PS4 chip" can control the OS.

But PS4 games can include their own driver to support any(?) USB device.

https://www.fanatec.com/forum/discussion/comment/5716/#Comment_5716

So basically that means that if a dev. uses the correct driver, fanatec wheels will work both in the game's menu and of course also when you are driving. This means that the security chip only stops it from working on the PS4 hub, so the excuse wheels wouldn't work at all due to the security chip still get's flushed through the toilet, as it only concerns the PS4 XMB?

 

[drivatar]

Yes, the "PS4 chip" is only required to control the PDM (name of the PS4 GUI).

 

[AudiMan2011]

I'd rather just have in-game compatibility for legacy Logitech wheels than the full works. I would think that other Logitech owners would feel the same way. Lack of news for this long particularly now that Fanatec has made their move for legacy wheels on current gen consoles feels like a massive kick in the teeth for Logitech users.

 

[mister dog]

Yes, the "PS4 chip" is only required to control the PDM (name of the PS4 GUI).

Cheers for the clarification 👍
So that does mean the 'security chip' excuse is a big fat ugly lie as frankly; who cares if he can't control the PS4 'PDM' with it...

 

[Saidur_Ali]

So basically that means that if a dev. uses the correct driver, fanatec wheels will work both in the game's menu and of course also when you are driving. This means that the security chip only stops it from working on the PS4 hub, so the excuse wheels wouldn't work at all due to the security chip still get's flushed through the toilet, as it only concerns the PS4 XMB?

This has been what has been said since 2013 will be the case. It only stops full functionality which only T300 has at the moment.

 

[Spitfire77]

I'd rather just have in-game compatibility for legacy Logitech wheels than the full works. I would think that other Logitech owners would feel the same way. Lack of news for this long particularly now that Fanatec has made their move for legacy wheels on current gen consoles feels like a massive kick in the teeth for Logitech users.

The issue with the logitech wheel is with the Immersion contract. It cost Sony a lot on the PS3 and that cost is likely much higher to get support on the PS4 than the profit from added users.

 

[mister dog]

This has been what has been said since 2013 will be the case. It only stops full functionality which only T300 has at the moment.

Nope i distinctly recall the security chip being used as a reason wheels will not work at all on PS4.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Nope i distinctly recall the security chip being used as a reason wheels will not work at all on PS4.

Only for full functionality. This Fanatec allowing to work in games with drivers is also nothing new, Thrustmaster have managed it for a while now. Also a developer has developed a driver for PS3 fight sticks. I just hope Logitech get it working, concerns me that some Fanatec wheels aren't supported but T100 gives hope.

 

[Jump_Ace]

🤬

I sold my modded CSR-E and got the T300 solely because PCars didn't work with Fanatec stuff. Ugh....not happy.


Jerome

 

[mister dog]

Only for full functionality. This Fanatec allowing to work in games with drivers is also nothing new, Thrustmaster have managed it for a while now. Also a developer has developed a driver for PS3 fightsticks. I just hope Logitech get it working, concerns me that some Fanatec wheels aren't supported but T100 gives hope.

Well it was confusing communication to say the least. At the beginning they were all blaming eachother, then the security chip came along which gave the impression it was not possible and IMO they only started to turn around at the moment people found out the T100 worked, and even then they weren't clear in stating there was good hope backwards compatibility could happen as long as the drivers would be developed.

They should have come out and said 'If we manage to make the drivers, there's a good chance our wheels will work', and a lot of people will have happily waited for that to happen. Now we are 3 years later and many have bought a T300 or went the pc route...

 

[Saidur_Ali]

🤬

I sold my modded CSR-E and got the T300 solely because PCars didn't work with Fanatec stuff. Ugh....not happy.


Jerome

At least you can use stuff like PS button and Share without having to use a DS4. They did say on pCARS website this: "* CHECKLIST ABOVE NOT FINAL, WILL BE UPDATED WITH MORE DEVICES TOWARDS RELEASE". Up to you whether you wanted to jump the gun or not.

Well it was confusing communication to say the least. At the beginning they were all blaming eachother, then the security chip came along which gave the impression it was not possible and IMO they only started to turn around at the moment people found out the T100 worked, and even then they weren't clear in stating there was good hope backwards compatibility could happen as long as the drivers would be developed.

They should have come out and said 'If we manage to make the drivers, there's a good chance our wheels will work', and a lot of people will have happily waited for that to happen. Now we are 3 years later and many have bought a T300 or went the pc route...

They did say this will be the case before PS4 released. Fanatec and Logitech also said they will be trying to get their products on the system, Fanatec wanted also a fully functional native one but sounds like they were denied and seems the case also on PS3 and I don't know why. I haven't seen anything ruling it out completely the possiblity of wheel compatibility happening by them.

 

[Jump_Ace]

At least you can use stuff like PS button and Share without having to use a DS4. They did say on pCARS website this: "* CHECKLIST ABOVE NOT FINAL, WILL BE UPDATED WITH MORE DEVICES TOWARDS RELEASE". Up to you whether you wanted to jump the gun or not.

True, maybe I'll just wait it out...I didn't need to max the T300 for GT6.


Jerome

 

[Ian_83]

I'm glad that I've waited. The chance of the Logitech being supported is still slim, but I think that the chances have increased a little.

While I'm waiting I'm enjoying PC gaming, H1Z1 at the moment, which is a good laugh when you're in a good group of people. 👍

 

[Soulfresh_ACV]

went the pc route...

I have a T500RS and a PS4 but still went the PC route and have no regrets so far. Happy playing AC, R3E and PCARS once released. The added benefit on a PC for PCARS is the potential for mods in the future.

GT7 might really be the only game in the future my wheel will be plugged to a PS4. That is if PD do change the game dramatically as I have less time to grind hours on end to get a race car.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Do they support the new Fanatecs or the older models as well? if the latter then Logitech c'mon now.

 

[Ian_83]

Do they support the new Fanatecs or the older models as well? if the latter then Logitech c'mon now.

I don't know which of these are old or new?

Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo S
Fanatec Porsche 911 GT2
Fanatec Porsche 911 GT3 v2
Fanatec CSR (+ Pedals)
Fanatec CSR Elite (+ Pedals)Fanatec ClubSport Wheel Base
Fanatec ClubSport Wheel Base v2

http://www.projectcarsgame.com/beyond-reality.html

 

[TayeezSA]

Do they support the new Fanatecs or the older models as well? if the latter then Logitech c'mon now.

The Porsche wheels and CSRs, the ones from last gen ie. the legacy wheels are gonna work on PS4

I agree, come on Logitech, you know you want to

 

[F1Racer68]

I think the G27 and DFGT is still being made. Logitech themselves promote and sell it one and a half years after the no-more-console-gear announcement. I.e. they're very much in the FFB wheels business, it just looks like they're just out of new product development. Compatibility for the new consoles would sell a lot more G27s and DFGTs. That's said, a PS4 Logitech driver seems unlikely.

Logitech has abandoned the CONSOLES peripheral market, not the GAMING peripherals market. They are still making and selling G27s brand new, but they are only targeted at the PC gaming crowd. When the G27 first came out (and until their announcement) the box stated "PC, PS3". The new boxes have new exterior graphics and now only state "PC". I am guessing Logitech just didn't want to spend the (most probably) ridiculous amounts of money that Sony and Microsoft are demanding for "Officially Licensed" products.

 

[mister dog]

I have a T500RS and a PS4 but still went the PC route and have no regrets so far. Happy playing AC, R3E and PCARS once released. The added benefit on a PC for PCARS is the potential for mods in the future.

GT7 might really be the only game in the future my wheel will be plugged to a PS4. That is if PD do change the game dramatically as I have less time to grind hours on end to get a race car.

Same here, i guess they lost a lot of potential business holding out on some decent communication about the matter for so long. I'm not regretting the move to PC neither, as the only advantage having gone PS4 were the lower entry price and the exclusives. Having sold your perfectly good Fanatec gear and forking out 400 bucks on a T300 like @Jump_Ace (and many others) did in the meantime is more of a bummer...

At least being on PC we can also rest assured that come next generation we don't have to go through **** like this again, as compatibility issues don't exist there.

 

[DrJustice]

Logitech has abandoned the CONSOLES peripheral market, not the GAMING peripherals market. They are still making and selling G27s brand new, but they are only targeted at the PC gaming crowd. When the G27 first came out (and until their announcement) the box stated "PC, PS3". The new boxes have new exterior graphics and now only state "PC". I am guessing Logitech just didn't want to spend the (most probably) ridiculous amounts of money that Sony and Microsoft are demanding for "Officially Licensed" products.

Both DFGT and the G27 is still being marketed towards PS2, PS3 and PC. It's on Logitech's site(s) (example). The box art may have changed, but not the marketing.

Anyway my point here was that these wheels are probably still being made, since several posters have been claiming the opposite. Logitech doesn't market and sell "age old" NOS. R&D and tooling has been paid, so just churn them out while people still buy them. I'd do the same...

 

[Jump_Ace]

Same here, i guess they lost a lot of potential business holding out on some decent communication about the matter for so long. I'm not regretting the move to PC neither, as the only advantage having gone PS4 were the lower entry price and the exclusives. Having sold your perfectly good Fanatec gear and forking out 400 bucks on a T300 like @Jump_Ace (and many others) did in the meantime is more of a bummer...

At least being on PC we can also rest assured that come next generation we don't have to go through **** like this again, as compatibility issues don't exist there.

Yea, but I don't like rolling the dice with coil whine on video cards, I've been burned twice by it including my current VC. Plus, PC games don't have that polish that consoles do, PCars will likely be different, but we'll see.

I think I'm going to wait for Fanatec to introduce some sort of rim that will be compatible with the PS4 or something. Until then, I will stick with the T300 for now. The one thing I miss about the the modded CSR-E wheel is that there was absolutely ZERO deadzone. Is that enough to make me want to use a DS4? No(t yet).

Jerome