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[Rotary Junkie]

What is a FC TII?

I don't really want a thunderbird even though I know they aren't bad cars. Just not my style.

FC as in FC RX-7, TII as in Turbo II.

As for the Bird...

You know you want to.

 

[socomplayer2]

*snip*

I'm still thinking the more pedestrian looking E36 M3 might be a better choice, since there are far more on the market, and they are a bit lower profile, which is also a good thing for a young person.

I love the e36 m3's, a lot more than the m coupe. Unfortunately the ones I can afford will either need maitnence or wont be as clean as I would like. I really do want one but I feel a ls1 would be cheaper to keep going considering it is a domestic car.

 

[Azuremen]

I have no patience for people who cannot or chose not to read...especially in an attempt to be cute or clever.

Sound familiar?

It's nothing personal...just a pet peev.

And yet you yourself are full of cute and clever remarks. An excellent case of the pot calling the kettle black, I do think.

 

[McLaren]

You're lucky I even read after you said 'these cars are like E46 M3s'. Huh? Did you gloss over my post where it said '240hp'? You quoted it.

LOL at you thinking I was talking anything about power. No point in explaining it now.

BMW's with an I6 tend to be very good cars. They have little hiccups here & there (consumables & occasional CIL), but nowhere near the frequency or severity of their larger V8 siblings.

Except that when they do have "hiccups", they can be as pricey as the V8s, esp. if it is a M model.

100k miles is nothing.

On a M model, yes, it is. It can go from a new toy to a car sitting in a shop raping your wallet. Been there. Done that.

The OP is interested in Camaros/Firebirds and those cars are the same age, will have similar mileages, but will most certainly have been beaten on.

The difference is that they can take the beating. LS engines are near indestructible & there is a gigantic amount of cheap parts to build them even faster.

Another thing to consider, many of those pony cars will be on their 3rd, 4th, or 5th owner. I seriously doubt that would be the case with any M-Coupe.

That really doesn't matter with the 2 vehicles in question.

I'd also argue an M-Coupe owner is someone who would take care of their car better than a Camaro. An X5 owner? No way, those things are always trashed. But something like an M-Coupe would have been a toy and had an older male owner. Thus, it would have been taken care of better.

Again, doesn't really matter with the maintenance both vehicles require.

The Camaro again can be serviced & rebuilt easily.
The M regardless of owner & how it's been treated, will require expensive services.

The 109,000 mile car you just linked to him; case in point.

So you can stand by your statement and think everything I'm typing is wrong. That's fine, but you lease your vehicles and probably think used cars are horrid. I'm saying they're not...especially BMW's w/an I6.

LOL at trying to bring my cars into question as if I have no idea about used vehicles or BMWs.

I've been around enough used sports cars & about 20 years with BMWs to know when someone shouldn't be giving buying advice.

The M-Coupe is quirky, fun, fast, and probably affordable for the OP. Why be a debbie downer?

Yes, I'm going to tell this kid to go buy a M Coupe because it's a fun little car without telling him anything about the harsh truths of life when it comes to them.

I already said if he has the money to buy one & maintain it, to go for it.

I love the e36 m3's, a lot more than the m coupe. Unfortunately the ones I can afford will either need maitnence or wont be as clean as I would like. I really do want one but I feel a ls1 would be cheaper to keep going considering it is a domestic car.

First off, what is your budget again?
Secondly, you're technically right, but if the M3 is good condition, you shouldn't have too much issue keeping it going as far. Prices on parts for it aren't too bad now-a-days.

 

[BrutherSuperior]

And yet you yourself are full of cute and clever remarks. An excellent case of the pot calling the kettle black, I do think.

Stop lying to yourself.





(see what I did there)





I cherry picked a part of a sentence, highlighted it, and in a cute and clever way attempted to insult you. In essence, this is what you've been doing throughout GTP and doing so makes you look illiterate.

Selective hearing, or in your case selective/poor reading comprehension, is unbecoming. You not knowing your idioms is just the icing on the cake. (see what I did there?)

 

[BrutherSuperior]

LOL at you thinking I was talking anything about power. No point in explaining it now.

You're implying you may have explained something previously.

All you've said, in essence, is that the M-Coupe is a $25,000 car and is very expensive to maintain and service. Is that the best advice you can give?

Why don't you explain for the OP what service & consumables might cost for a 2000 M-Coupe and compare that to an M3? Since you claim to know BMWs, let the OP know the realistic cost of ownership. Don't you think that might be more useful than LOLing?

 

[McLaren]

You're implying you may have explained something previously.

Again, over your head.

All you've said, in essence, is that the M-Coupe is a $25,000 car and is very expensive to maintain and service. Is that the best advice you can give?

It's a lot better than, "Yeah, buy this car! It's fun!"

Why don't you explain for the OP what service & consumables might cost for a 2000 M-Coupe and compare that to an M3? Since you claim to know BMWs, let the OP know the realistic cost of ownership. Don't you think that might be more useful than LOLing?

He's not the one telling me it's cheap & comparing it's reliability to bullet-proof USDM vehicles. You are & it's plainly obvious that you are the one who wants me to do it, merely so you can nitpick it to death.

I'm not giving him any advice on what car to buy. What I did to is list why he shouldn't be listening to your suggestions as usual.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Enough with the arguments. Socom needs advice about cars within his price range, not analytical dissection of opponents claims, nitpicking and bickering.

 

[SRV2LOW4ME]

I'm going to have to agree with the people telling you to stay away from the Camaro. The engine is decent from what I've heard, with friends only talking about small issues. The rest of the drive train is the weak point in this case, especially with the auto transmissions, which won't even last 100K before slipping, and I'm not talking about a gentle slip either.

The exterior is something that has grown on some, but I've never come to like really. I still don't know why they went with the whole shape of it, then giving it a pointed beak. Plue, even with it lowered, it still looks like the car is sitting a foot off the ground, and with its low profile shape, I always find it looking odd.

The interior is also something of a developed taste. Like someone said, the dash is big enough to have a picnic on and can make cleaning the front windsheild difficult. The trunk is another joke altogether, where GM gives you 1x2 cube of space tucked in between the gas tank and rear bumper. If you plan on running an aftermarket stereo, be prepared to leave items that won't fit in the back seat at home.

Then theres the whole low gas mileagre and high insurance policy, but I assume you're already well aware of those by now...

Between the Mustang and F-Body, my vote goes to the Mustang.

 

[socomplayer2]

First off, why is everyone arguing? I mean im flattered that people find my thread such a debate but why cant we all just get along...

FC as in FC RX-7, TII as in Turbo II.

As for the Bird...

You know you want to.

Well... What I meant was... ugh, I wont get laid in a 94 t-bird.

LOL at you thinking I was talking anything about power. No point in explaining it now.

Except that when they do have "hiccups", they can be as pricey as the V8s, esp. if it is a M model.

On a M model, yes, it is. It can go from a new toy to a car sitting in a shop raping your wallet. Been there. Done that.

The difference is that they can take the beating. LS engines are near indestructible & there is a gigantic amount of cheap parts to build them even faster.

That really doesn't matter with the 2 vehicles in question.

Again, doesn't really matter with the maintenance both vehicles require.

The Camaro again can be serviced & rebuilt easily.
The M regardless of owner & how it's been treated, will require expensive services.

The 109,000 mile car you just linked to him; case in point.

LOL at trying to bring my cars into question as if I have no idea about used vehicles or BMWs.

I've been around enough used sports cars & about 20 years with BMWs to know when someone shouldn't be giving buying advice.

Yes, I'm going to tell this kid to go buy a M Coupe because it's a fun little car without telling him anything about the harsh truths of life when it comes to them.

I already said if he has the money to buy one & maintain it, to go for it.

First off, what is your budget again?
Secondly, you're technically right, but if the M3 is good condition, you shouldn't have too much issue keeping it going as far. Prices on parts for it aren't too bad now-a-days.

Eh between 8 and 10k about.

I'm going to have to agree with the people telling you to stay away from the Camaro. The engine is decent from what I've heard, with friends only talking about small issues. The rest of the drive train is the weak point in this case, especially with the auto transmissions, which won't even last 100K before slipping, and I'm not talking about a gentle slip either.

The exterior is something that has grown on some, but I've never come to like really. I still don't know why they went with the whole shape of it, then giving it a pointed beak. Plue, even with it lowered, it still looks like the car is sitting a foot off the ground, and with its low profile shape, I always find it looking odd.

The interior is also something of a developed taste. Like someone said, the dash is big enough to have a picnic on and can make cleaning the front windsheild difficult. The trunk is another joke altogether, where GM gives you 1x2 cube of space tucked in between the gas tank and rear bumper. If you plan on running an aftermarket stereo, be prepared to leave items that won't fit in the back seat at home.

Then theres the whole low gas mileagre and high insurance policy, but I assume you're already well aware of those by now...

Between the Mustang and F-Body, my vote goes to the Mustang.

About the whole looks and whatnot I must have developed a taste because I think its a great looking car, but to each his own:tup:.

I know about the drive shaft and rear end "weakness" so to say but I am going to get a Manual and I also don't plan on racing it. Only the occasional session of spirited driving.

As for insurance... yeah it sucks and the car is bad but on the highway its not bad!

 

[ND4SPD]

City mileage in my LT1 is a bit horrible but on the highway it's a dream. Heh, insurance wise, it's a lot cheaper a month than my P71 ever was for some strange reason. It's only $11 a month more than my old '87 5.0 and this is coming from a 21yo male with a clean driving record.

 

[socomplayer2]

City mileage in my LT1 is a bit horrible but on the highway it's a dream. Heh, insurance wise, it's a lot cheaper a month than my P71 ever was for some strange reason. It's only $11 a month more than my old '87 5.0 and this is coming from a 21yo male with a clean driving record.

I never would have expected that. I am 20 and don't exactly have a perfect record. As in I already lost my license lol. But I have been violation free for almost a year and a half and took a safe driver class so it might not be too bad. But then again I am from NJ...

 

[socomplayer2]

http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=33680

BTW: Some drool worthy 4th gen content.

The black ws6 vert is beautiful!!!

 

[McLaren]

Eh between 8 and 10k about.

Aw, I definitely would not recommend you a post-2000 BMW M model. If you really want one, you're in the range for an E36 as Azure said. Better part is that if you can spare a little more, you can pick one up off a member of one of the BMW forums & more than likely get a very well cared for car. Maybe even a few aftermarket goodies. 💡

 

[socomplayer2]

Aw, I definitely would not recommend you a post-2000 BMW M model. If you really want one, you're in the range for an E36 as Azure said. Better part is that if you can spare a little more, you can pick one up off a member of one of the BMW forums & more than likely get a very well cared for car. Maybe even a few aftermarket goodies. 💡

Yeah, this is true. They seem to be really reliable cars because of all the examples with like 200,000k miles. I also hear that what does go on the cars is usually expensive, like the cooling system if I remember correctly.

 

[Azuremen]

Yeah, this is true. They seem to be really reliable cars because of all the examples with like 200,000k miles. I also hear that what does go on the cars is usually expensive, like the cooling system if I remember correctly.

Most of the maintence isn't expensive. The cooling system issue is the radiator pipe is plastic, and the fan can just explode in front of the radiator. But there are a ton of write ups on this and what to check for to see if it should be a concern and so on. And fan delete kits.

///M-Spec can give a considerable amount of information, and has more experience than I do with various models. But they are the most part reliable, and most anything and everything is documented about them.

The other plus is they are relatively low key, which might be a good thing for a young guy that seems to have some issues driving too fast....

 

[xXSilencerXx]

I own a 98 Trans Am. I bought it almost 5 years ago and have put near 75k miles on it myself. It now has 160k miles on it with no major repairs necessary. Almost all of those miles have been driving spirited and the car has been to the track twice, with about 10 passes made. The car is also fairly modified, ie full suspension, intake, cat-back and about to finish the exhaust this spring. I average about 23 mpg with it, and mine is an auto. Better for drag racing 👍 The new Camaro is my cornering car and has the 6 speed.

Overall I'd say it's an excellent vehicle and couldn't have been a better first car for me. They are cheap to maintain and cheap to fix when broken, with tons of parts readily available. There is huge aftermarket support for the car and a huge community if you were to get into modifications and racing.

Insurance for it had been fairly good too. I have the Camaro and the TA and am paying $126/month. Camaro is full coverage TA is liability.

If you are looking for one the only major thing to look for is a loud rear end. If the car as been severely ragged on the rear is usually first to go, especially in the M6's.

 

[socomplayer2]

Most of the maintence isn't expensive. The cooling system issue is the radiator pipe is plastic, and the fan can just explode in front of the radiator. But there are a ton of write ups on this and what to check for to see if it should be a concern and so on. And fan delete kits.

///M-Spec can give a considerable amount of information, and has more experience than I do with various models. But they are the most part reliable, and most anything and everything is documented about them.

The other plus is they are relatively low key, which might be a good thing for a young guy that seems to have some issues driving too fast....

Hmmm maybe an e36 isnt out of the picture:tup:. I'll look into it, I'll see if i can remember my bimmerforums user name lol.

I own a 98 Trans Am. I bought it almost 5 years ago and have put near 75k miles on it myself. It now has 160k miles on it with no major repairs necessary. Almost all of those miles have been driving spirited and the car has been to the track twice, with about 10 passes made. The car is also fairly modified, ie full suspension, intake, cat-back and about to finish the exhaust this spring. I average about 23 mpg with it, and mine is an auto. Better for drag racing 👍 The new Camaro is my cornering car and has the 6 speed.

Overall I'd say it's an excellent vehicle and couldn't have been a better first car for me. They are cheap to maintain and cheap to fix when broken, with tons of parts readily available. There is huge aftermarket support for the car and a huge community if you were to get into modifications and racing.

Insurance for it had been fairly good too. I have the Camaro and the TA and am paying $126/month. Camaro is full coverage TA is liability.

If you are looking for one the only major thing to look for is a loud rear end. If the car as been severely ragged on the rear is usually first to go, especially in the M6's.

Good feedback, how could one distinguish a loud rear rear-end? Sorry I don't want to sound like a noob but I've never heard one before, and if I have I didn't notice.

 

[BrutherSuperior]

Good feedback, how could one distinguish a loud rear rear-end? Sorry I don't want to sound like a noob but I've never heard one before, and if I have I didn't notice.

Turn off the radio, close the windows, and you'll hear a WTF IS THAT kinda noise that changes with speed. If it goes away when you're almost at a stop; rear end. If the whine changes to an OMG is the car going to blow up crunch when you're coming to a stop; axle bearing.

In some cars, it may even sound like it's not coming from the rear and may sound like it's a transmission problem. Basically, if you hear something bad - get it checked out. The noise will be unmistakable.

 

[socomplayer2]

Turn off the radio, close the windows, and you'll hear a WTF IS THAT kinda noise that changes with speed. If it goes away when you're almost at a stop; rear end. If the whine changes to an OMG is the car going to blow up crunch when you're coming to a stop; axle bearing.

In some cars, it may even sound like it's not coming from the rear and may sound like it's a transmission problem. Basically, if you hear something bad - get it checked out. The noise will be unmistakable.

I'll definitely keep that in mind, thanks!

 

[elle bawdy]

another vote for a 4th gen f-body. Find a way to test-drive a LS1, you wont be sorry. Plenty of low mileage cars out there owned by mature gentleman who babied them. A few mods will get you into low 12's. And probably dead, but damn you'll be having fun.

 

[socomplayer2]

So like always, my mind is changing around -_-. Wont be the last time in the next 2.5 months either. I'm back to wanting an e36 m3 (4door), srt-4, and between a 2000 and 2005 gmc yukon denali. Yes you heard me right, unfortunately.

Lately I can't help but shake the strong urge to give up the fun, quick car scene and save some money and drive a cushy and comfy gas guzzling full size suv. Out of all of them I think the gmc is the cushy and comfiest without being an escalade. For me personally, I think the interior is glorious! It has the manliness of a tahoe and many luxury features of the escalade. I could fit copious amounts of fellow college kids in it and the back seats are much more... roomier... than the gti. Also I think its a good looking truck that comes with a classy exterior as well (in black)

The extra room would come in handy since I live away at school and lug big things around, like tv's, my bike, large amounts of friends etc. Also me and my friends have been going on road trips more often and this would be a wonderful long trip vehicle.

Call me crazy, but I really do have an urge to get one. I'm just worried I'll miss having a nimble little sporty car to mess around with. I have no idea whats come over me. I always had a little thing for big suv's but since the gti I never ever... ever thought I would get one.

 

[hemisport15]

just get the damn M3 already... that's what i would do.

 

[Cale]

Get the Denali and use it to get parts/project vehicle like a cheap MX5 or something.

 

[Azuremen]

Buy a sedan, put Style 5's on it, and drop a bit.

 

[socomplayer2]

Buy a sedan, put Style 5's on it, and drop a bit.

I would only get a sedan and maybe (dare I say) convertable. After the gti I want 4 doors, but I would sacrifice that for a vert m3 .

About the Denali thing... It was 6 am and I had been up all night wanting sleep so all I could think of was comfort lol. They are my favorite suv but Im going to pretend I didn't say I wanted one before an m3 . What happens on gtplanet stays on gtplanet 👍.

 

[socomplayer2]

Alright so I am on spring break and me and my dad are bringing my car back either this, or next weekend. Which means new car time... only problem in is I dont know what to look for.

My criteria; Within 50 miles, under 15,000, MANUAL TRANS, must be less than 5 years old, must last me at least 5 years, preferably less than 60k, fun/sporty, reliable and somewhat attractive to the opposite sex.

I found a 2005 srt-4 with 40k miles, owned by an older man at a dealer for 13995, so thats my #1 choice

With the tight time frame I'm willing to look at options I usually wouldnt look at so plase suggest me some cars!!!

 

[Eric.]

SRT4s are a lot of fun, but things will probably break on them. Being an ACR, maybe it was taken better care of and not just flogged by some young kid.


Why the 50 mile limit? That's ridiculous. I drove 230 miles to pick up an 87 MR2 for under $1500. You should be willing to do the same for a good car.

 

[socomplayer2]

SRT4s are a lot of fun, but things will probably break on them. Being an ACR, maybe it was taken better care of and not just flogged by some young kid.


Why the 50 mile limit? That's ridiculous. I drove 230 miles to pick up an 87 MR2 for under $1500. You should be willing to do the same for a good car.

I changed it, its an 05 with 40k miles and its 14k, owned by a 50 year old man.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.j..._4&search_type=used&cardist=41&standard=false

The 50k limit is because my dad is involved and theres no way hes going to be dragged too far to look at a car

 

[Eric.]

What is it that you're looking for in a car, specifically in the performance sense? Do you plan on modding whatever you get, racing it at all (drag, autocross, something else?).