PS3 General Discussion

[DuckRacer]

One question though, is Oblivion online? Is there any element of online play similar to other RPG style games?
If not then I may have to say F1:CE over Oblivion just because I want to use my wireless network as much as possible. 👍

Oblivion is completely offline, with the exception that there's going to be an expansion (Shivering Isles) you can buy online in the future.

And you should get the game that's better and more enjoyable, you shouldn't choose a potentially inferior game because it uses something external less. Resistance is already going to serve well as an online game.

Which reminds me... You can play F1 against other players online right? Or is it a ghost racing thing? Or does it go online at all?

Play online against other people.

Btw, this isn't to say I've made up my mind... I still want to hear all the suggestions you guys can come up with!
Heck I hadn't even thought of Oblivion as an option until someone here mentioned it (which is crazy because every account I've heard of the game says it is amazing).

Sonic the Hedgehog and Gundam.

More seriously, I'll also recommend The Darkness and Ninja Gaiden (though you struck down the latter). There's supposed to be a demo of Darkness coming out today, so if/when you get a PS3 you can try it out before biting the bullet.

Hell, I totally forgot about demos. Practically everything we've recommended here has a demo available (except Oblivion and Rainbow Six), so you could just buy a PS3, try out all the demos you can, and see which games you like the best. That way you don't have to risk "WTF, Duck recommended me this game but it absolutely blows. Ban!"

Even with COD4 coming out, I can see it coming out for the 360 before it does on the PS3.

Er, it's coming out the same day as the 360 version.

 

[FoolKiller]

Hell, I totally forgot about demos. Practically everything we've recommended here has a demo available (except Oblivion and Rainbow Six), so you could just buy a PS3, try out all the demos you can, and see which games you like the best.

That's what I've done. I have downloaded every game demo and video. It has pointed me in a few directions.

Er, it's coming out the same day as the 360 version.

I think he's on some sort of PS3 hate campaign today.

 

[V1P3R]

Er, it's coming out the same day as the 360 version.

That's what they said about DiRT...

 

[Sprite]

Well, at this point it is pretty much settled, I'm buying a PS3 at the start of next week (Monday probably).

The question now becomes, what games do I buy?
I don't think I will have the money for more than one but it is possible I could get two.

Right now I'm thinking that if I can only get one, I should get "Resistance" and if a second game is possible, that should be "F1:CE."

I figure, GT4 and Tourist Trophy will give me a driving fix and Resistance will give me the next gen online FPS experience. That's the reason for putting Resistance ahead of F1. Of course, let's not forget that I will instantly begin playing GT:HD which is one more driving fix other than F1 (not that I'm not interested in F1).

Here's the thing though... I'd really like to get suggestions from you all.
I know you guys may have a different take on the situation and so I would love to hear what you've got to say. 👍

So let's have it, what games would you all suggest if you could only buy one or two games with the system?

Well On the night of release the only game I was interested in was RR7 and im still trying to complete it, if you are a huge fan (That would be me) of the RR games the this is a must, if you hate RR games then my opinion isn't going to swing it. Personally I didn't like Motor storm, its just not my type of game after playing it for a little while. I would say that the idea of resistance being the main game you get would be a great buy and lot of fun, but F1 IMO sucks big time, and I know that im going to have to put on a flame suit for that comment but you wanted opinions. The handling is the biggest problem, its really bad its too light and no sense of grip what so ever, and on the DFP its even worse the slightest movment see's you off onto the grass and into the barriers on the other side, since my dad got it at launch (he loves it BTW) ive played it twice for about 15 minutes, once with the pad, and once with the DFP.

Resistance is a great game, graphics weapons and story, but I hate playing FPS with a pad and until they release a patch to support KB&M I dont think its going to get much play time from me. One thing about this game is the sound too its really great, and I bet if you had a 5.1 set up its would be stunning.

If I were in your shoes I would go for in this order (knowing what I do now)

1) RR7
2) Super Stardust HD
3) Resistance
4) GTHD
5) Virtua Tennis (for the multi player aspect)

@ solid (whent back a few pages to catch up)

No, backup DVDs don't upscale. In fact, they look awful. I guess that's by design to curtail piracy. It sucks, because I have no intention of stealing movies, yet I prefer to have some of my DVD collection on my PS3 HDD. I cannot do that now.

I've got all my DVD backups working fine and also upscaled to 1080p in fact Im so pleased they did as the ones i've got the original (which I own) have been heavily damaged by over zealous flat-mate's and lending's, so for the back ups to actually upscale was a delight to find, although all the backups I have were straight backups not compression or anything from one DVD9 to another.

 

[FoolKiller]

If I were in your shoes I would go for in this order (knowing what I do now)

1) RR7
2) Super Stardust HD
3) Resistance
4) GTHD
5) Virtua Tennis (for the multi player aspect)

While I disagree about F1:CE I'll just let you have your opinion, but one thing confuses me with your list. Why would you suggest he get the free game fourth?

When I got my PS3 I didn't even buy a game because I could get them for cheap from Gamefly (F1:CE for $25). I walked in with the system, set it up, signed in to PSN, and downloaded GTHD followed by a bunch of demos.

 

[Kent]

It's all good Sprite... I promise you that I will do my best to keep flames off of you... That's what you get for giving me your honest opinion of the game. 👍

One thing your post does for me though... I'm interested to hear more about Super StarDust HD. I mean, what is the game? (headed off to look into it for myself)

In any case, I'm glad to see people are still giving opinions on the best games and what would be the best course of action for a player like myself.

Also, Bones Brigade, 👍
I think players like you and I are making a good choice.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to have an extra 20gb on the HDD. However, I'd love to get $100 off the price more than that (especially considering how many people are already using the 60gb without trouble). 👍

Like I said though... Keep those opinions rolling in if you guys can. I'm looking to hear as much as possible.
Good, bad, or otherwise, I'd rather hear more about the subjects at hand then rely on first hand learning experiences that cost $50-$60 bucks a pop.

 

[Mx²]

Well, at this point it is pretty much settled, I'm buying a PS3 at the start of next week (Monday probably).

The question now becomes, what games do I buy?
I don't think I will have the money for more than one but it is possible I could get two.

Right now I'm thinking that if I can only get one, I should get "Resistance" and if a second game is possible, that should be "F1:CE."

I figure, GT4 and Tourist Trophy will give me a driving fix and Resistance will give me the next gen online FPS experience. That's the reason for putting Resistance ahead of F1. Of course, let's not forget that I will instantly begin playing GT:HD which is one more driving fix other than F1 (not that I'm not interested in F1).

Here's the thing though... I'd really like to get suggestions from you all.
I know you guys may have a different take on the situation and so I would love to hear what you've got to say. 👍

So let's have it, what games would you all suggest if you could only buy one or two games with the system?

Jey kent, I'm in a similar situation myself, I'm thinking about buying it soon but at the same time with so many rumours coming out that after the 60gb stock finishes the 80GB will drop to $499, i think it might be best to wait perhaps?

If i buy it most likely the game i'd pick up is Virtua Tennis or F1:ce. 👍

I've played resistance, it's good but it's not great either. in my opinion thats going to be a PS3 Greatest Hits title soon. lol

At this time, for you personally the best thing is to just buy the PS3 alone(without any games), download some demos, if you find a game you enjoy, go and buy it. That's the best way to take advantage of the purpose of having demos. 👍

im also going to get a PS3 in the next week. im gonna get one while theyre 499. theyre going up to 599 again when they release the 80gig.

Rumour has it that 80gb will drop to $499 without the package deal aka. Motorstorm etc, once the 60GB supply runs out. It's not just 20GB of hard drave space, it's also backwards compatibility, the 80GB uses software instead of hardware in the 60GB model, so the 80GB gets 100% backwards compatibility...interesting thing to keep in mind.👍

I've got all my DVD backups working fine and also upscaled to 1080p in fact Im so pleased they did as the ones i've got the original (which I own) have been heavily damaged by over zealous flat-mate's and lending's, so for the back ups to actually upscale was a delight to find, although all the backups I have were straight backups not compression or anything from one DVD9 to another.

I don't get it, some say it looks horrible and some say it's upscaled! I'm confused! For example I if I have my original copy of Ghost Riders, and my backed-up copy of Ghost Riders, will they look the same on the PS3?

 

[Sprite]

While I disagree about F1:CE I'll just let you have your opinion, but one thing confuses me with your list. Why would you suggest he get the free game fourth?

When I got my PS3 I didn't even buy a game because I could get them for cheap from Gamefly (F1:CE for $25). I walked in with the system, set it up, signed in to PSN, and downloaded GTHD followed by a bunch of demos.

I put it fourth as a means to see what games I would get, they are in no specific order ( i know I said "this order" just that those are the ones I would get first. I did exactly the same thing you did, launch night/morning I got home set up the PS3 and signed up to the PSN and downloaded the patch and GTHD before even putting in a disk. GTHD and SSHD are the best PSN titles by far and thats why they would make my top five its not that RR7 is better than GTHD in fact GTHD blows RR7 apart in all departments apart from being a full and long lasting game.

@ Mx²

I would wait and see, it depends on what type of backup, all mine are from original DVD9's onto DVD9's no form of extra compression or removal of things, just a straight backup, Like I said above if like me you lend DVD's (have stopped lending to muppets that treat the dvd's like their children) and they have become battered and bruised and just dont like been played in a normal DVD playe or PS3 for this matter and backup is the only way to go apart from go out and purchase another copy from your local store, all mine thats about 15 work fine and fully upscale to 1080p, this symbol even pops up in the top left corner to say 1080p. personally once the BD version of the films in question come out, I will just bin the DVD's or give them away and get the BD versions. Wait till you get the PS3 and see what happens.

 

[Kent]

Well I wouldn't be too quick to buy into the idea of an 80gb PS3 dropping price after the 60gb is sold out.
One very specific and logical reason for this is the fact that MotorStorm isn't a $100 dollar game.
The 80gb PS3 will cost $599 with Motorstorm, to suggest a 499 bare-bone 80gb is to say Motorstorm is worth $100.

Fact is, if Sony dropped the price of a non-bundled 80gb to 499, they would lose money easily since people wanting the bundle would just make the bundle for themselves and save 40 to 50 bucks.

That's just something to consider.

Btw, I suppose the 60gb version will not play PS1?
But it does play PS2 right?

Also, will the 60gb's hardware be different from the 80gb's? If so there could be problems down the road and I'm not really looking to buy a 60gb just so Sony can force me into buying an 80gb a year down the road.

Any advice regarding this situation from the 60gb owners?
Or future 80gb owners for that matter.

 

[icelt]

It's all good Sprite... I promise you that I will do my best to keep flames off of you... That's what you get for giving me your honest opinion of the game. 👍

One thing your post does for me though... I'm interested to hear more about Super StarDust HD. I mean, what is the game? (headed off to look into it for myself)

In any case, I'm glad to see people are still giving opinions on the best games and what would be the best course of action for a player like myself.

Also, Bones Brigade, 👍
I think players like you and I are making a good choice.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to have an extra 20gb on the HDD. However, I'd love to get $100 off the price more than that (especially considering how many people are already using the 60gb without trouble). 👍

Like I said though... Keep those opinions rolling in if you guys can. I'm looking to hear as much as possible.
Good, bad, or otherwise, I'd rather hear more about the subjects at hand then rely on first hand learning experiences that cost $50-$60 bucks a pop.

This is meant to help, but it may not... keep in mind that the "new" 80gb model is probably more different than just the +20gb and loss of the EE chip. What I mean is that back in March or so when Sony formally informed the FCC about the revisions in this model they also described a Blue Tooth update. Now so far I haven't seen anything news or posts wise describing exactly what the BT improvements/changes are, but rest assured that something is going on there. Now maybe it is not that big of a deal, maybe people have not had any problems with their wireless controllers. But for me, I have had my controller drop out on me in the middle of a game (F1 while playing online no less) and it only takes once for it to be very annoying. So the 80gb might have a better wireless implementation. Also, and this is almost assuredly fact, is that the new 80gb model will come with the 65nm process Cell. The reason that is good is that the ps3 already puts out some major heat. So the tighter mfr'ing process for the main CPU means that it will consume less power and produce less heat. Now barring some weird design or mfr'ing flaw, a CPU that produces less heat is always a good thing. So while it is true that the exta $100 wouldn't buy any different functionality it just might, and I mean might as there is no guarantee, buy you a machine with a more robust BT capability and one that is less prone to long term heat related issues.

I really, really don't intend this as a scare post I'm just trying to educate you that there are some behind the scenes differences between the 2 models and some of those might actually be beneficial, depending on how one looks at it

 

[Speedster502]

Just out of intrest, are most PS2 games compatible with the PS3 or not? I have done a search but nothing of particular relevance came up.

 

[Mx²]

I believe it's something like 80 or 90% are good with the 60GB PS3's we have in NA.

 

[Speedster502]

I believe it's something like 80 or 90% are good with the 60GB PS3's we have in NA.

Is that the same wwith the UK's? As I have heard a rumour that the UK has a different chip in it which doesn't allow it to play loads of PS2 games, but I am not sure if it is a rumour or not.

 

[DuckRacer]

, so the 80GB gets 100% backwards compatibility...interesting thing to keep in mind.👍

You mean 90ish%. The 80GB is software emulation, 60GB hardware.

Btw, I suppose the 60gb version will not play PS1?
But it does play PS2 right?

It plays both PS1 and PS2.

Also, will the 60gb's hardware be different from the 80gb's? If so there could be problems down the road and I'm not really looking to buy a 60gb just so Sony can force me into buying an 80gb a year down the road.

Only difference between the 60GB and 80GB is that the 80GB has more HDD space and there's software emulation.

Just out of intrest, are most PS2 games compatible with the PS3 or not? I have done a search but nothing of particular relevance came up.

About 98% of PS2 games work with the PS3 with the hardware BC. About 90% or so games work with the software enabled BC, but some of those games have bugs.

If you want to check which of your PS2 games will work with the software BC-enabled PS3, and see what specific bugs they have, please visit this site. For the hardware enabled PS3s, please visit this site.

I believe it's something like 80 or 90% are good with the 60GB PS3's we have in NA.

98% for the 60GB PS3s in NA.

Is that the same wwith the UK's? As I have heard a rumour that the UK has a different chip in it which doesn't allow it to play loads of PS2 games, but I am not sure if it is a rumour or not.

The European PS3s use pure software emulation for backward compatibility – they have no PS2 hardware in them like the 60GBs in America do.

 

[FoolKiller]

One thing your post does for me though... I'm interested to hear more about Super StarDust HD. I mean, what is the game? (headed off to look into it for myself)

Think Asteroids with a little crack, speed, Red Bull injected directly into the blood stream. That's how I describe it at least. It's a PSN download game for $7.99, I think. It is beautiful to watch, insanley hectic and fun to play, and addictive as can be. Even people who aren't too good at it (guilty) love it.

You can also check out the Awesomely Powerful Super Stardust HD Thread thread and see what we are talking about. G.T even posted some videos of him scoring the, so far, highest score of any GTP member.

There are also a few reviews in the PS3 Game Review Thread. Jeremy Ricci promised a whole list of reviews, but I'm still waiting.

I need to give a proper Super Stardust HD review and I will be giving an F1:CE review once I get more in-depth on it.

I put it fourth as a means to see what games I would get, they are in no specific order just that those are the ones I would get first. I did exactly the same thing you did, launch night/morning I got home set up the PS3 and signed up to the PSN and downloaded the patch and GTHD before even putting in a disk. GTHD and SSHD are the best PSN titles by far and thats why they would make my top five its not that RR7 is better than GTHD in fact GTHD blows RR7 apart in all departments apart from being a full and long lasting game.

I was really amazed at how much fun I got out of a free and $8 game.

Of course, I also bought Q-Bert (nostalgia fun), Lemmings (updated nostalgia fun), Blast Factor (fun but abandoned after SSHD came out), and Flow (lazy day/relaxing game). I'm still playing my Motorstorm, Resistance, and Virtua Tennis 3 demos with plans to buy them.

I have Marvel: Ultimate alliance coming in from Gamefly and if I like it I will probably Keep It for $21. I liked the X-Men Legends games so I have high hopes for it.

 

[icelt]

Btw, I suppose the 60gb version will not play PS1?
But it does play PS2 right?

Just put in GT2 and it loads, plays and controls just like it did back in '99 or whatever, it also looks like 🤬. I suppose we really have come that far in graphics. BTW the PS3 will create a virtual memory card so you can save PS1 and/or PS2 game progress. You can also transfer old PS1 & 2 game saves to these virtual memory cards if you buy/borrow the adapter. I haven't tried it yet personally, but I'm guessing it works just fine.

 

[Sprite]

Just put in GT2 and it loads, plays and controls just like it did back in '99 or whatever, it also looks like 🤬. I suppose we really have come that far in graphics. BTW the PS3 will create a virtual memory card so you can save PS1 and/or PS2 game progress. You can also transfer old PS1 & 2 game saves to these virtual memory cards if you buy/borrow the adapter. I haven't tried it yet personally, but I'm guessing it works just fine.

Worked flawlessly for me, but ive heard some people have had problems with it. Ive even got my PS1 saves too for MGS and FFVII among some (not including the first three PSN PS1 titles that came onto the EU store just recently.

 

[Mx²]

You mean 90ish%. The 80GB is software emulation, 60GB hardware.

It plays both PS1 and PS2.

Only difference between the 60GB and 80GB is that the 80GB has more HDD space and there's software emulation.

About 98% of PS2 games work with the PS3 with the hardware BC. About 90% or so games work with the software enabled BC, but some of those games have bugs.

If you want to check which of your PS2 games will work with the software BC-enabled PS3, and see what specific bugs they have, please visit this site. For the hardware enabled PS3s, please visit this site.

98% for the 60GB PS3s in NA.

The European PS3s use pure software emulation for backward compatibility – they have no PS2 hardware in them like the 60GBs in America do.

wow, i've got my info wrong!

So buying a hardware BC is actually better then a software one, I thought it was the other way around?

 

[DuckRacer]

wow, i've got my info wrong!

So buying a hardware BC is actually better then a software one, I thought it was the other way around?

Nope. Hardware > software. The only party it benefits is Sony, and that's because they'll be able make the PS3 cheaper.

 

[Kent]

It sort of makes sense that a hardware based BC would work better since Emulations re-create the original game where "HW" actually plays the original. There's no change to the game with HW but with Software you run the risk of a bad re-creation.

None the less, I'm sure both work well. 👍

Also, regarding the 80gb system. I'd be willing to bet a price drop will occur but I doubt it will be very soon. My guess is that they will run the motorstorm bundle until some other game worthy of a bundle is released. With that in mind, I believe the PS2/GT3 bundle was the best selling bundle Sony ever created (heard it from some G4 show back when GT4 was about to release).

Wouldn't it be nice for everyone if GT5 was a bundle title?
That could really move a few systems in my opinion. 👍

 

[Dead_Poetic]

Yea, they would. Everyone on here that says, "Im not going to buy a PS3 until GT5 comes out" would then buy one.

 

[Mx²]

^haha exactly.

I guess its fair to say, it's important for us non-ps3 owners to capitalize on this opportunity to buy a 60GB PS3. Kent, are you going to buy a protection plan with your PS3?

I was thinking of buying one for mine when I get mine. 2 year warranty for me would be $110 CAD, meaning if anything went wrong I'm covered and get a new one if they can't fix it. Is it worth it?

 

[Brett]

Kent,

First off, !

If you are trying to decide between Resistance:Fall of Man and Rainbow Six Vegas, let me offer you a little insight into both. But before I do that, I need to preface this with a little disclaimer. I have not played Rainbow Six Vegas online and I have not played RFoM a whole lot yet.

RFoM is a little more on the run and gun side of things when it comes to FPSs. It does not have a cover system, a la Gears of War or GRAW. None of the weapons are real and each one is very unique; also each weapon has two different firing modes. By this I mean, each a something special about them. The carbine you start the game with has a 40mm grenade launcher attached to it and a pretty effective one at that. The second weapon you obtain is the Bullseye and its secondary function shoots out a homing tag. If you manage to tag an enemy with it, then your bullets home in on the enemy. I have not extensively used it, but it seems like it could be really useful. Other than those two, I have not used many of the other weapons. I have used the shotgun and the rocket launcher and they are both fun. The shotgun can be fired with one barrel or both barrels simultaneously, which means it packs a helluva punch if you get hit with it. The rocket launcher is fun in that its second mode causes the rocket you just fired to hold in the air and then you can direct it to where you want it. I am sure I missed a whole lot, but like I said I have only played the game for a little bit.

Now RSV on the other hand, I have played a great amount, as I had it on 360 when I still had the 360 and played through the single player campaign almost two times (did not have the time to finish it through a second time). I thoroughly enjoyed the game in single player, but did not have any online experience with it. RSV is a different type of FPS when compared to RFoM. RSV is a tactical type of game and requires some planning on your part when tackling areas of enemies. Cover is all but always recommended and required, otherwise the enemy will quickly kill you. A great majority of the time through the single player campaign you will have two fellow Rainbow Six soldiers with you to command around and give orders to. They are fairly smart and effective in their suppression of the various terrorists you will encounter. The enemy can be somewhat sneaky some of the time if you do not take the time to plan out your attack, though you do not have to be overly complex in your planning, just smart about it. The weapons in the game are based on current weapons in the world, with a good majority of them being on the cutting edge of design.

I would probably recommend picking up both of them. Though if you only want one for now, I would suggest going with the type of FPS you like better. Right now, I only have Resistance:Fall of Man, but am planning on picking up Rainbow Six Vegas sometime in the near future.

While I am at it, I will go ahead and tell you what I think of F1:CE with my limited playing time on it also. First off, if you have the DFP, then it will be set up to run in 200 degree mode which is vastly different than what is used in GT4. I am not used to it and every little input is picked up by the wheel. If you are going down a straight and you are not holding the wheel near perfectly straight, then the car will drift all over the straight, just like I imagine a real F1 car would do. The speed of the cars is unbelievable at first and you will most likely need to adjust to how fast corners come up. I started out at Monaco, as I know the track fairly well from GT4 and it was pretty difficult at first. I figure after spending a pretty good amount of time with the game, then I will be able to adjust and run some fairly respectable times.

Now all I need to do is play my PS3 more so I can give better reviews of Resistance:Fall of Man and Formula 1:Championship Edition.

Looking forward to playing online with you once you purchase a PS3 and I decide on a PSN-ID. 👍

And I hope I could be of some help.

Brett

 

[Seanman]

So far every one I have owned has worked on the PS3, including an old Motorola model, a recent Jabra BT350 and a recent Plantronics Discovery 655. I just lost my Plantronics and am going to replace it with the new Jawbone from Aliph. It's been getting rave reviews and awards from just about every tech publication so I'm looking forward to trying it out. I suspect it will work just fine with the PS3, as any Bluetooth headset should be fully compatible. 👍

BTW: There is a thread in the PS3 forums that might be worth checking out:

• Webcams, Bluetooth Headsets & USB Blutooth Dongles for use with PS3's

Awesome, thanks. Getting a bluetooth headset would be so much more convenient than the traditional headsets. I'll definitely look into those now. 👍

 

[Speedster502]

Thanks for your help guys. I am now one more step to getting a PS3.

 

[land sea air]

SONY should be paying us royalties considering the last 3 or 4 pages

 

[G.T]

The Darkness demo is just... meh. The shooting and auto-cover are alright, but I'm not overly impressed with the graphics. The animation in the car during the beginning scene was almost comical. I just hope that's the only time you get a ride in a car...

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Or at least our own dedicated GTP building in Sony's PS Home.


My feeling though is that there is so much bad info/rumors out there regarding the PS3, and while I agree that the price does seem high, it really is possible to get a brand new one for under $400 if you just sell all the free promo stuff.

More importantly though, the reward for helping someone see the value in the PS3 is really just knowing that they are going to really enjoy it and that they are getting a really great console... and a fantastic Blu-ray player as well. 👍

 

[Touring Mars]

The Darkness demo is just... meh. The shooting and auto-cover are alright, but I'm not overly impressed with the graphics. The animation in the car during the beginning scene was almost comical. I just hope that's the only time you get a ride in a car...

Plus it's a gargantuan download... 1.4 GB!

I wasn't impressed by the trailer at all - the graphics looked really blotchy, esp. in the dark scenes, which in a game called 'The Darkness' is something of a major worry. Still, I'll check out the demo, when it finally finishes downloading.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I wasn't impressed by the trailer at all

Speaking of which, that trailer for "The Darkness" is also one of the MIA files from the PS Store.