PS3 General Discussion

[Robin]

I use the crouch, prone and dive sixaxis controls in GRAW2 and I find them extremely useful... I just wish the PS3 had Wii style games because it certainly has the controller hardware to do so!

oh and PS3 sales beats 360 and nearly beats the wii!

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6186077.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;1

Robin

 

[Joey D]

I think you will see the PS3 sell better just because it's a "cheap" Blue-Ray player. My parents just got one for their new TV and I know they will never play a game on it.

 

[WallRunner]

San Francesco? Fransisco, yes, but not Francesco.

Anyway, yes, Sony is planned to announce something about HOME, and maybe some stuff about the PS3.

From,
Chris.

 

[Robin]

I think you will see the PS3 sell better just because it's a "cheap" Blue-Ray player. My parents just got one for their new TV and I know they will never play a game on it.

Feels slightly a pity that its never going to be used for games but I totally agree its the best way to get blu ray out there and out of all the sales figures maybe 20-30% is just for the BR player alone but to Sony and the rest of the games industry a sale is a sale and the figures speak for themselves.

I don't see 360's with the hd-dvd attachments flying off the shelfs, maybe MS should do a bundle like that although everyone knows HD-DVD is dead.

As I was saying in another thread MS is in a pickle now because they no longer have a future disc format and Sony sure aint going to give them the license!

Robin

 

[Joey D]

I don't think Microsoft ever really intended on making the 360 a next generation movie device. If they wanted to I think they would have put more money into it.

 

[G.T]

MS can still use HD DVD for a future console, just no one else but them will be willing to use it.

 

[Robin]

I don't think Microsoft ever really intended on making the 360 a next generation movie device. If they wanted to I think they would have put more money into it.

No I meant solely for gaming, they are going to have to use some next gen data format which holds as much as Blu Ray and they can't exactly use DVD's forever unless you have multiple ones and install everything to the HDD.

MS can still use HD DVD for a future console, just no one else but them will be willing to use it.

Thats what I believe they will do although its mighty stupid and expensive to be the only ones using it!...

Robin.

 

[Joey D]

Couldn't they use double layer DVD's or do they already? Whatever the case may be I don't see why it would really affect anything. Mass Effect is probably one of the better looking games out there on a console and it was fine on a DVD, not to mention the game was huge.

 

[G.T]

Well, the format will get cheaper over time (especially since it'll be a few years yet before a new console), and nothing stopped Sony making the UMD for the PSP, and other unique formats other consoles had like the Gamecube.

@ Joey - the DVDs are dual-layers.

 

[Robin]

Couldn't they use double layer DVD's or do they already? Whatever the case may be I don't see why it would really affect anything. Mass Effect is probably one of the better looking games out there on a console and it was fine on a DVD, not to mention the game was huge.

Yes they probably already do use dual layer dvd's but there WILL come a time when they can't fit games anymore on to one disc..... thats when they will need a future format or use multiple discs which in this day and age is an embarrassment!

Your maybe looking 3-4 years down the line from now before this is a problem but it will happen.... with blu ray dual layer your covered up to 50GB!!! its like nearly the size of everyones HDD's in their PS3's!

I think the next xbox (720 anyone?) will use HD-DVD, they have no other choice but then people will want to play all their blu ray movies!

I don't think any amount of Halo's or Gear's are going to save them from this!

@ G.T. the UMD was largely a failure and it did hurt Sony when they realised people didn't really want to buy movie UMD's plus without rewritable ones (which would be an excellent idea) on offer Sony are just keeping it alive for the PSP which is to be fair doing really well.

You also you have to remember the key point here which is THATS JUST A MOBILE CONSOLE, is not really a major problem when is not you main make or break system, Sony can deal with it... the Gamecube did suffer because of its small discs because you couldnt put a DVD in it and thats why the system didnt really make an impact and Nintendo dropped it for the Wii...

At one point there was talk that the PS3 format would be UMD and it so could have ended up that way if things had gone well for the format...

Can you imagine how cool Blu Ray UMD's would be!

Robin

 

[Joey D]

Yes they probably already do use dual layer dvd's but there WILL come a time when they can't fit games anymore on to one disc..... thats when they will need a future format or use multiple discs which in this day and age is an embarrassment!

Your maybe looking 3-4 years down the line from now before this is a problem but it will happen.... with blu ray dual layer your covered up to 50GB!!! its like nearly the size of everyones HDD's in their PS3's!

I think the next xbox (720 anyone?) will use HD-DVD, they have no other choice but then people will want to play all their blu ray movies!

I don't think any amount of Halo's or Gear's are going to save them from this!

Robin

Why is there constant knocking on the 360? Microsoft did not get to where they are today by being stupid. The next Xbox which will be due out probably with in two years will be up the standards of the time. When the 360 came out Blue Ray was even more expensive then when it came out in the PS3 and you probably would have seen an even more expensive console.

Also I don't really see how much bigger games can get, other then graphics (which are pretty meaningless) there is not much more you can do. You probably just see downloadable games in the next generation console with several TB's of storage.

 

[V1P3R]

As much as I hate disks I don't like the idea of these digital downloads. What happens when my system dies? It seems less practical than disks.

 

[Joey D]

As much as I hate disks I don't like the idea of these digital downloads. What happens when my system dies? It seems less practical than disks.

I'm just sayings that is probably the way it will go in the future.

 

[Robin]

Im not knocking xbox and yes they have done very well to get to be one of the big three players in the market in just 2 decades. Its justs the fact are....

1. MS will eventually need a future format, whats it going to be?

2. What they choose will affect how well they do as people will will want the system to meet the functionality and variety of others consoles on the market.

3. With Blu Ray being the future format of choice it will make things that bit more difficult...

Thats not saying MS wont pull something amazing out of the bag but this is a setback for xbox, not now, but in the future and they do have to look years ahead in this industry because the pay back time of these consoles can be 6 years or so!

As will regards to game sizes and graphics they have been saying things can't get any better for over 30 years and yet it does with every new generation of games, we will probably have some crazy holographic virtual reality stuff in the future which will take up 100's if not 1000's of GB's!

I also don't like digital downloads, im a tangible kind of guy and when I spend money I want to physically see something im my hand even if its a case and disc.

Robin

 

[Scaff]

MS will almost certainly not be able to use HD-DVD as a future storage medium, they don't own the patent rights to it, Toshiba do. Chances are if Toshiba pull the plug on HD they will do it in a big way, and if that does happen they will want to put it well behind them.

That would not stop MS using Blu-Ray in any future system, after all Sony don't own BR anymore than MS own HD-DVD, BR is controlled and operated by a group of companies of which Sony is just one. If MS are willing to pay the licence they certainly could end up with a BR drive in the next system.

MS are currently using double layer DVDs in games and we have now had a few multi disc releases as well.

MS' biggest problem in the future may well rest in gamers unhappiness at the short life of MS gaming systems, a lot of goodwill was thrown away when the original Xbox was just dumped the second the 360 appeared. If MS do this again in the near future they could well see games turn away from them (a similar situation did Sega no favours at all).


Regards

Scaff

 

[V1P3R]

I'm just sayings that is probably the way it will go in the future.

Yeah I know, I'm just saying there are somethings that shouldn't be all digital. This would bother me and so does this "digital" high def tv.

 

[Formula1Driver]

I agree with you guys, I do not like the idea of the Digital Downloads, just as Robin. said, when I buy something I want to be able to see it in my hands, I am not going to buy a game from the PSN and just keep it on my HD, I want to have the disc and box on my shelf. Its kinda like just a reassurance that I have it.

I don't mean to knock the 360 but I do not know what they are going to do, they almost definately will have to come out with a new console in a few years which is just unlucky for them because HD-DVD didn't win this 'Format War'. They will also need another format to put their games on, which will cost time and money to develop. If M$ wanted to get licensing for Blu-Ray, which they have the money to do, it would set them back and cost a ton of money.

All I want to say is that I am glad I have my PS3 which is my Blu-Ray player.

 

[Robin]

Just thought I would say in here, the format war is over and Blu Ray was victorious so we all made the right choice guys!

Heres the thread to discuss it..

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2919755#post2919755

Robin

 

[LaBounti]

Also I don't really see how much bigger games can get, other then graphics (which are pretty meaningless) there is not much more you can do.

Blue Dragon, Lost Oddessy? Not all games are designed the same and some require more space than others. You can never use one example of game to say more spaced isn't needed(i'm not saying u are, I'm just saying). PGR4 has maxed out the disc space as a producer mentioned. They actually had to cut graphical features from the game because of limited space.

I just saw a rumor about MS purposing to buy Epic for 1billion$$. How many games does epic have out for the 360? 1? They already have Gears locked up.

 

[Kryz11]

Hello guys,
I wonder, lately I've hear about that you can take pictures when you have a USB keyboard? How can I do that? And for what games I can do that? I downloaded a patch for Warhawk, and it said in the notes you could take a picture or a screen shot. As well, do I need a USB only keyboard or can i have a wireless and it will still work?
And will it work with Gran Turismo 5 Prologue?

 

[Giancarlo]

Why is there constant knocking on the 360?

Also I don't really see how much bigger games can get, other then graphics (which are pretty meaningless) there is not much more you can do. You probably just see downloadable games in the next generation console with several TB's of storage.

Because it's an unreliable machine and a horrible investment.

Graphics are definitely not meaningless. If they were you wouldn't be playing and 360 or PS3 games right now. Games can definitely expand through how, well, expansive they can become (GTA IV will probably be bigger than San Andreas was, with more interactivity). There's also the fact that we're barely scratching the surface with online activity in MMORPG games and the like.

 

[Joey D]

Because it's an unreliable machine and a horrible investment.

Some are unreliable but it's just a poor statement to call it a horrible investment. You may not like it but thousands and thousands of people have bought the system. This is the blatant anti-360 stuff that I hate. -rep to that post 👎.

Graphics are definitely not meaningless. If they were you wouldn't be playing and 360 or PS3 games right now. Games can definitely expand through how, well, expansive they can become (GTA IV will probably be bigger than San Andreas was, with more interactivity). There's also the fact that we're barely scratching the surface with online activity in MMORPG games and the like.

Graphics are not the most important part of the game, the game play should be. I still have fun playing Super Mario Bros. on my SNES.

 

[Robin]

Gameplay only takes you so far.... yes its important and it can make a game a classic like for example goldeneye, but given half the chance people would have both great gameplay and jaw dropping graphics, eventually the novelty of playing the 100th mario kart on Wii with sub par graphics will wear off and so will the motion control.

Im more of an eye candy guy, I will let the game off on certain things if its jaw dropingly beautiful.

A good example is with GTA, it was great as it was back in the cartoony days, why bother to make it 3D or even make it more realistic with IV if gameplay is more important..... its the graphics that sells more.... well with things like the 360 and PS3.. its seen as a progression, having graphics the same as before will really put people off!

Robin

 

[Joey D]

Im more of an eye candy guy, I will let the game off on certain things if its jaw dropingly beautiful.

I disagree, nice graphics will never make up for sub-par game play. My personal favourite game is Diablo II, the graphics are rather lackluster but the game play is so solid I still play it all the time even today when my computer is capable of playing some really nice games like Oblivion.

Another example is Burnout Paradise, the game looked amazing but the game play was poor which made the game pretty bad in my opinion.

 

[Speedster502]

Another example is Burnout Paradise, the game looked amazing but the game play was poor which made the game pretty bad in my opinion.

See I thought the gameplay was quite good...

Look I really don't want to get involved in this argument and its one that always seems to pop up, "Oh the PS3 is better because..." or "The 360 is better because..." can't we just accept that they both have their strengths and their weaknesses?

Also I don't mean to sound harsh or anything but, Joey, what was the reaction you thought you would get in a PS3 sub-forum? No-one's hardly going to say, well I own a PS3 and I think it's rubbish, and if someone does say it, it will only be someone who actually owns a 360 as well. Most people only own 1 of the 2 consoles.

I mean personally I'd love to have both. All my friends own a 360 and I think it would be great to play online with them, but I decided to be different. I wanted a console for different purposes to they did.

So I can't see why we are still going on about this really.

 

[Joey D]

See I thought the gameplay was quite good...

It just wasn't what I was expecting. I don't know I hate free roaming games. I know a lot of people liked it and the reviews were good on it. I just personally thought the game play was bad.

Look I really don't want to get involved in this argument and its one that always seems to pop up, "Oh the PS3 is better because..." or "The 360 is better because..." can't we just accept that they both have their strengths and their weaknesses?

I've said that numerous times before. I like both my PS3 and 360 for various reasons, I also do not like them for various reasons as well.

Also I don't mean to sound harsh or anything but, Joey, what was the reaction you thought you would get in a PS3 sub-forum? No-one's hardly going to say, well I own a PS3 and I think it's rubbish, and if someone does say it, it will only be someone who actually owns a 360 as well. Most people only own 1 of the 2 consoles.

I expect people not to be stupid about the whole thing and realise exactly what you said in the previous statement. To say the 360 is a horrible investment makes you sound like a "fan-boy". I like my 360, PS3, and Wii. I don't expect people to say anyone of the systems are rubbish, especially the PS3 since it can do so much. As I've said on numerous occasion the sole fact that it can play Blu-Ray movies means it gets used more by me.

So I can't see why we are still going on about this really.

Because comments like this get made:

Because it's an unreliable machine and a horrible investment.

 

[Mark T]

Let's face it graphics are important. It adds to the realism of the game, it's far more immersive & when consoles have this much power you expect the graphics to be superb. Gameplay is important and without it the game will fail no matter how good the graphics are.

One problem I have is trying to determine whether the graphics are poor because of the developer, or the console. That applies to both PS3 and 360.

Relating to the reliablity of the 360, yes it was rediculous that Microsoft had this problem. They did however replace & repair consoles. They also offered an extended warranty to cover customers.

 

[Giancarlo]

Some are unreliable but it's just a poor statement to call it a horrible investment. You may not like it but thousands and thousands of people have bought the system. This is the blatant anti-360 stuff that I hate. -rep to that post 👎.

It's not anti-360, it's anti-crappy hardware. And it is a horrible investment, no matter how many people buy it, because in a year it will be almost completely inferior from a technical standpoint. The unreliability also leads to the poor investment - how well can your money be spent when the system breaks down so frequently?

Please don't mark me in with PS3 fans because i simply don't care. I'm a grown man and don't have the time to deal with silly arguments that people make in that regard.

 

[Mark T]

It's not anti-360, it's anti-crappy hardware. And it is a horrible investment, no matter how many people buy it, because in a year it will be almost completely inferior from a technical standpoint. The unreliability also leads to the poor investment - how well can your money be spent when the system breaks down so frequently?

Please don't mark me in with PS3 fans because i simply don't care. I'm a grown man and don't have the time to deal with silly arguments that people make in that regard.

To be fair, as mentioned in my post above, Microsoft did repair and replace 360 consoles when they broke. I've had my 360 since June 2006 and I have not had a breakdown as yet. To say that the 360 will be inferior technically in a year is slightly untrue. It's not as if the PS3 can be upgraded (apart from hard drive). With games like Grand Theft Auto 4 having equally as good graphics as the PS3 version, although this is yet to be confirmed.

The only worry for the 360 is the death of HD-DVD. Hopefully there will be some negotiation to allow Blu Ray drives to be fitted to 360 consoles.

I should be getting my PS3 next month for the release of GT5 prologue. I can't wait to play it and I know it's going to be a brilliant purchase.

 

[Famine]

With games like Grand Theft Auto 4 having equally as good graphics as the PS3 version, although this is yet to be confirmed.

It's a question of storage capacity. GTA4 will either be throttled back for the PS3 so it can fit on a dual-layer DVD (8Gb maximum) on both (equal graphics) or throttled back for the 360 so it can fit on a dual layer DVD for the 360 but allowed free reign on the BluRay (25Gb maximum for single layer) for PS3s (PS3 has better "content") or allowed free reign on both but comes on multiple DVDs for the XBox360 (equal graphics, but unequal price).