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I just want to be clear about this, as we've had quite a few questions regarding console compatibility.

Our pedals are currently compatible with the PC only. We are not currently looking into any sort of adapter for the consoles. That would take a good bit of R&D, and we just don't have the time right now, unfortunately.
 
ProtoSimTech
I just want to be clear about this, as we've had quite a few questions regarding console compatibility.

Our pedals are currently compatible with the PC only. We are not currently looking into any sort of adapter for the consoles. That would take a good bit of R&D, and we just don't have the time right now, unfortunately.
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Thanks, at least we have the answer. Definitely understand the amount of work needed to full fill existing orders as a priority.
 
Soulfresh_ACV
Thanks, at least we have the answer. Definitely understand the amount of work needed to full fill existing orders as a priority.
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You are correct. The current waiting list of customers does take priority at the moment.

With that said, you don't actually need an adapter to make any set of pedals console compatible. As a matter of fact, back in March of 2014 (a couple months before our official press release - June 2014), I fooled around with the G27 wheel and managed to get our pedals to work with the PS3 through that wheel. I have a video of it around here someplace. I think we tested it with GT5.

It's not that hard to do. Our pedals use potentiometers (except for the brake), as do the G27 pedals. Potentiometers function using three wires - 5v, signal, and ground. We took the G27 pedals completely apart, grabbed the wires from the pots on the G27, and then wired them up to our pots. It's pretty much that simple. You do need to have an adapter that turns the load cell into a potentiometer (basically), but Leo Bodnar and Derek Speare both sell these adapters.

Once you have them wired up, it's just a matter of firing up the PS3, letting the G27 wheel calibrate, and you're done. In GT5 the pedals will sort of "self calibrate" once you're on track and you've fully depressed each pedal. I didn't get the chance to test any other games because my nephew wanted his PS3 back ;-)

Anyhow, I just wanted you guys to know that it's still possible, even without any adapters. We just don't officially support it.
 
wanted to say thank you for bringing such a good product at a good price.

secondly, do you have a rough ETA ? I got on these late, I am some no.400 on the waiting list..looks like each patch is around 40, and last year there was 3 patches..if I assume some increase in productivity, we can get to 4 x 40 units per year, would I be correct to say I am some 1 year away from getting one of these? Maybe not 400 exactly since not everyone will take up on their item, but roughly 1 year...

is my maths off ?
 
swiftwilly
wanted to say thank you for bringing such a good product at a good price.

secondly, do you have a rough ETA ? I got on these late, I am some no.400 on the waiting list..looks like each patch is around 40, and last year there was 3 patches..if I assume some increase in productivity, we can get to 4 x 40 units per year, would I be correct to say I am some 1 year away from getting one of these? Maybe not 400 exactly since not everyone will take up on their item, but roughly 1 year...

is my maths off ?
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We're purchasing some new equipment that should help us speed up production and increase the number of batches we can produce in a year's time. Our original goal was to have a 2 month production cycle for 36 pedals each batch.

This past year's production was not a very good indication of what a typical production cycle looks like. We ran into multiple issues, and had some setbacks that really kept us from producing them as fast as we would have wanted to.

That being said, we learned quite a bit from last year's production. What we've learned will help us to improve our work flow.

To get back to your original question, I really can't give you any estimates on how long it will take to get to your number. So many factors are involved that it would almost be impossible to predict. We're hoping to continue the goal of a 2 month production cycle, so that would mean 6 batches per year. However, please don't take those number as fact, as things can change quickly.

I can promise you that we will do whatever we can to get these things out to you guys as quickly as we possibly can ;-)
 
Thanks. So if I am a little conservative, I say 5 batches. 5 x 40 units = 200?

So I am wait list 400, I'd be two years away?

Not a bad thing don't get me wrong, I am happy you are doing well, your pedals looks amazing at a good price. Just seems the backlog of 2 years is a really long.

Let me know if my math is wrong?
 
swiftwilly
Thanks. So if I am a little conservative, I say 5 batches. 5 x 40 units = 200?

So I am wait list 400, I'd be two years away?

Not a bad thing don't get me wrong, I am happy you are doing well, your pedals looks amazing at a good price. Just seems the backlog of 2 years is a really long.

Let me know if my math is wrong?
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As I mentioned, the 2 month production cycle is just a goal. We could end up having a 6 week cycle, or even a 1 month cycle. It just depends on a lot of factors.

For example, we have completely eliminated an entire process from our production. We won't be sand blasting any longer. This means that we don't have to do any work to the material ourselves, which frees up time to work on other things. When we sand blasted, I had to stand at the sand blasting cabinet for hours and hours for about 4-5 days. This kept me from working on other things, and therefore slowed down production.

Now that we've purchased a vibratory tumbler, the machine does all the work for us, which allows me to work on other things, which, in turn, will allow me to produce pedals faster ;-)

I hope that makes sense. Again, I can't give you any solid estimates. We'll have to see how this years goes. As I said previously, this past year just wasn't a good indication of what we're able to produce in one year.

Anyhow, if you have any further questions, please feel free to ask ;-)
 
Thanks but I guess I am asking for is a range indication, whilst I appreciate all the variables you should have a range?

Might help some people out there thinking of buying one. Whilst I understand you may lose a sale, I think you will gain good reputation of being open at least. If it is a year I may wait, but if its 2 I won't.

Appreciate any sort of indication you may give.
 
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Thanks but I guess I am asking for is a range indication, whilst I appreciate all the variables you should have a range?

Might help some people out there thinking of buying one. Whilst I understand you may lose a sale, I think you will gain good reputation of being open at least. If it is a year I may wait, but if its 2 I won't.

Appreciate any sort of indication you may give.
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If you've been following my progress since the beginning, you'd know that I've been more open and honest about everything I do than I probably should have been.

Part of being open and honest is giving you an honest answer when I say "I don't know". I really mean that. I don't know how long it will take to get to your number. Trying to come up with an estimate on what will happen in 1 or 2 years is extremely difficult.

If I told you 2 years, you'd purchase something else. Fair enough. But, what happens if we get to your number in 1 year? Would you be upset? Or, would you be more upset if I told you that it will take 1 year, and it ended up being 2?

This is one of those "damned if you do, and damned if you don't" situations.

The only time I give out estimates is when the current batch is being worked on, and I know what will happen for the next 2 or 3 weeks. That's about as far out as I go now because things can change very quickly. Equipment breaks down, weather can turn bad, parts don't show up on time, problems with the CNC machine, issues with software or hardware on the PC side of things, and many many other factors that all have an influence on how long each batch takes.

I really am sorry that I can't give you what you're looking for. I don't know what else I can say...
 
ProtoSimTech
If you've been following my progress since the beginning, you'd know that I've been more open and honest about everything I do than I probably should have been.

Part of being open and honest is giving you an honest answer when I say "I don't know". I really mean that. I don't know how long it will take to get to your number. Trying to come up with an estimate on what will happen in 1 or 2 years is extremely difficult.

If I told you 2 years, you'd purchase something else. Fair enough. But, what happens if we get to your number in 1 year? Would you be upset? Or, would you be more upset if I told you that it will take 1 year, and it ended up being 2?

This is one of those "damned if you do, and damned if you don't" situations.

The only time I give out estimates is when the current batch is being worked on, and I know what will happen for the next 2 or 3 weeks. That's about as far out as I go now because things can change very quickly. Equipment breaks down, weather can turn bad, parts don't show up on time, problems with the CNC machine, issues with software or hardware on the PC side of things, and many many other factors that all have an influence on how long each batch takes.

I really am sorry that I can't give you what you're looking for. I don't know what else I can say...
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Firstly, I think you and I are on the wrong page of transparency. I agree you have been open about process, but the wait time not so much. BUT, you made it very clear why you can't give an answer which is fine and makes sense. :)

I guess my other question is, after a few batches in the new year - will you give a timeframe as you will have a better idea? OR is it the same damn if you do and damn if you don't type stuff.
 
swiftwilly
Firstly, I think you and I are on the wrong page of transparency. I agree you have been open about process, but the wait time not so much. BUT, you made it very clear why you can't give an answer which is fine and makes sense. :)

I guess my other question is, after a few batches in the new year - will you give a timeframe as you will have a better idea? OR is it the same damn if you do and damn if you don't type stuff.
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I think you will have a much better understanding of our batch cycles once a few more have gone out. At least, at that point, you may be able to plan accordingly. That's about the best I can give you.

As far as transparency with wait times, I agree. We really haven't been, but that's only because it can really turn people off when you don't meet that "estimate". You tend to get people saying things like "Hey, I thought you were supposed to be done by now. What gives?".

I can see this from both sides of the coin, believe me. I understand how frustrating it can be to not know when you might expect something to be finished, especially when you'd like to make plans. Which side of the coin is more important, though, and how do you make that distinction? It's a tough one, for sure.

Anyhow, I hope you can understand.
 
Yes I do, as previously mentioned, your view makes sense.

Cheers. I'll look at the first few batches then make a call.
 
Added myself to the waiting list. Like most of us...am hoping for the random batch draw number.
Also chris. Cant find the settings tab at the bottom of web page to find profile etc to activate admin emails.
Also is waiting list # the total number sold? ie...#448 is 448 after latest batch(left to make)? For example.. if you have sold 100 units that makes 448 - 348 to make before #448.?
 
Soulfresh_ACV
Thanks, at least we have the answer. Definitely understand the amount of work needed to full fill existing orders as a priority.
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Priorities are important of course...
These pedals seemed ideal and at the right price bracket as many Console interested players/racers do not want to blow $1000 on pedals.

Main Performance PC (Makers Of Sim Pedals)
Featuring a patent pending controller design, SimPedals bring true to life, accurate sim racing hardware performance to not just PC sim racers, but also to serious console racers. Whether you race on iRacing, rFactor, Assetto Corsa, Forza or Gran Turismo, SimPedals are in a class of their own.

I have asked if they intend to sell their main-board as a separate item, might not get a reply but if more people show an interest who knows.
 
KWAKAMAN
Added myself to the waiting list. Like most of us...am hoping for the random batch draw number.
Also chris. Cant find the settings tab at the bottom of web page to find profile etc to activate admin emails.
Also is waiting list # the total number sold? ie...#448 is 448 after latest batch(left to make)? For example.. if you have sold 100 units that makes 448 - 348 to make before #448.?
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You don't need to activate admin emails. It's activated by default.

As far as the waiting list is concerned, this video may help answer your questions. It doesn't cover everything, but it does give you an better idea of how it works.



Basically, your number on the list isn't set in stone. If people opt-out, your number will get smaller. With each batch release, your number will drop by 36. Once your number is between 1-35, you are now in line for the next batch.

Just keep an eye on that number and check it from time to time. You may be #450 one day, and then #445 a few days later. When that happens, and we haven't released a batch yet, people in front of you opted out of the list, so you get bumped up.

This is a pretty good system, although it does have it's drawbacks. For example, if your number is quite high, it could be awhile until you get a set of pedals, but we're working on that. Fear not, though. You always have a chance to be chosen as the random person that is selected with each batch release ;-)

I hope this info helps!
 
Hey guys,

We've recently made some design changes to our pedal set, and I made a quick video that highlights these changes.

Over time, our pedals will continue to evolve, but the overall design and functionality will remain the same. You may see some new additions to the pedal set after awhile, or you may see a completely different component then what we've used in the past. With that said, I assure you that they will function exactly the same as they always have ;-)

Anyhow, I hope you enjoy the video!

 
Hey guys,

I really wanted to do a video on this, but we're super busy with batch #4, and I just don't have the time at the moment. So, rather than risk springing this on you guys at the last minute, I wanted to fill you in on what's happening.

Small Price Increase

As some of you may have noticed, we've updated the price of our pedal set on the front page of our website to $439. This is a $20 price increase. This was done for a couple of reasons. Some of you may disagree with this price increase, and for some, this could be a deciding factor as to whether or not to buy this pedal set vs.a different set, and I can certainly understand that. With that said, and no matter how much I hate increasing our prices, I want to be sure that I've done my job of passing this info on to you.

As we continue to grow, our operating costs grow as well. This is just the natural progression of any successful business. Normally, as more products are shipped out the door, the more money you make, and this can sometimes offset the increased costs of doing business. In our case, we haven't increased the number of products just yet, but we're getting there. With the recent changes made to our shop and the design of our pedals, this should help decrease batch times which, in turn, will get them into your hands quicker. That's the goal, anyway ;-)

We're also having to deal with an increase in aluminum prices. The price of aluminum is out of our control, and as you know, our pedals are 90% aluminum. This means we have to pay for it, no matter what it costs. We've actually been dealing with this since we began production on batch #2, but we held off on the price increase as long as we possibly could.

OK, so now that you've heard the bad news, let me try and give you a bit of good news.

The good news is that we're really cookin with batch #4. Now, the last thing I want to do is jump the gun, so I'm not going to be giving out estimates. All I wanted to say was that the recent changes to the shop (and pedal design) have really helped. I've said this since the beginning, but as we continue to build these things, we find better ways of handling certain tasks. One small example is the way that we polish the springs for the clutch and throttle. The end result is the same, but the amount of work needed to achieve that result has been cut by more than half. Little things like that can really have a dramatic affect on production as a whole.

At some point, we may decide to reduce the price of our pedals again, IF we can increase production by an amount that would make a price reduction feasible. I'd really like to be able to do that. I don't like increasing prices. I really don't. In fact, I hate it. But sometimes you just gotta do whatcha gotta do, ya know?

Anyhow, I know this post was long, but I just wanted to make sure you guys understood my position. If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them, as always ;-)

Chris
 
Hey guys,

Assembly on batch #4 has officially begun! We'll try and keep you guys updated as much as possible, and maybe do a video or two on the assembly process.
 
Hey guys,

I wanted to go ahead and announce the release date for batch #4. We're almost done with assembly, and we will be moving on to the testing phase very shortly. I want to thank all of you for being so patient with us. We're producing pedals a bit faster, but we still have some work to do. We'll get there ;-)

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ANNOUNCEMENT:

We are going to be purging the waiting list soon. We will be sending out a mass email to everyone currently on the list. This email will ask you to confirm your spot on the list. If you do not respond to this email within 7 days, your name will be removed from the waiting list. This will provide our waiting list customers with better service overall by eliminating people that are not serious about buying pedals.

New Waiting list customers:

Once we purge the waiting list, we will be implementing a new policy for new customers wanting to place their name on the list. There will be a $20 non-refundable deposit required to place your name on the waiting list. This has several benefits. For example, the deposit ensures that only people that are serious about purchasing pedals will be allowed to join the list. This will also keep the waiting list short, ensuring that our customers can receive their pedal set in a timely manner.

If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me directly, or ask your questions here. I will be happy to answer them.

We strive to provide our customers with a high level of customer service. The current waiting list is filled with people that have no intention of purchasing a product from us. This makes it more difficult for those who are interested, and the long waiting list is turning customers away.

We're trying to combat this problem, and we feel this solution best fits our customer's needs.

Thank you,

Chris Smith - Co-Founder - ProtoSimTech
http://www.protosimtech.com
 
ProtoSimTech
ANNOUNCEMENT:

We are going to be purging the waiting list soon. We will be sending out a mass email to everyone currently on the list. This email will ask you to confirm your spot on the list. If you do not respond to this email within 7 days, your name will be removed from the waiting list. This will provide our waiting list customers with better service overall by eliminating people that are not serious about buying pedals.

New Waiting list customers:

Once we purge the waiting list, we will be implementing a new policy for new customers wanting to place their name on the list. There will be a $20 non-refundable deposit required to place your name on the waiting list. This has several benefits. For example, the deposit ensures that only people that are serious about purchasing pedals will be allowed to join the list. This will also keep the waiting list short, ensuring that our customers can receive their pedal set in a timely manner.

If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me directly, or ask your questions here. I will be happy to answer them.

We strive to provide our customers with a high level of customer service. The current waiting list is filled with people that have no intention of purchasing a product from us. This makes it more difficult for those who are interested, and the long waiting list is turning customers away.

We're trying to combat this problem, and we feel this solution best fits our customer's needs.

Thank you,

Chris Smith - Co-Founder - ProtoSimTech
http://www.protosimtech.com
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Surprised this wasn't the policy all along to be honest.
 
EDIT: We are going to be purging the waiting list very soon. We will send out a mass email to all registered users. Those who are on the list have 7 days to respond. Your name will be automatically deleted if you do not respond within those 7 days.
 
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