PURE | Chevy Camaro Cup | Series Champion: Dr_Watson

[Dr_Watson]

You know. Without that disconnect, I would've had 70 points. Just saying.

Just realized the number of laps at La Sarthe. Think that needs to be shortened because that makes sense only if we're doing double points.

I'm going to bask in my luck... I think it's the gold car. Had no choice but to do well in that thing, it's presumptuousness was sending ripples through the internet.

And yeah, I just noticed the lap count myself. Wouldn't an hour be more like 15 laps? (or like 18 to be long-ish) 23 has to be creeping up on 1h 45m; right after a 2 hour calm race.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Oh come on. Sarthe Enduro's have been a part of my series' since the beginning.

It's not me that can't handle an Enduro. It's my cruddy connection that I'm worried about. Then again, I have a long race on Saturday so that'll be a good indicator.

And like I mentioned before, we earned more points at La Sarthe in the past:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=208893

-For the race at Circuit de la Sarthe, a 50% bonus will be given to all points scored, rounded up. For example, the winner will receive 30 points (20 + 10, as 10 is 50% of 20), and 16th place will receive 2 points (1 + 1, as 50% of 1 is 0.5, rounded up is 1).

If we're earning the same points as all the other races, the laps should be around what Tim mentioned.

 

[OwensRacing]

That's a lot of racing in one day. LoL CALM then Camaro's. I ain't scared.

 

[Müle]

I'm going to bask in my luck... I think it's the gold car. Had no choice but to do well in that thing, it's presumptuousness was sending ripples through the internet.

And yeah, I just noticed the lap count myself. Wouldn't an hour be more like 15 laps? (or like 18 to be long-ish) 23 has to be creeping up on 1h 45m; right after a 2 hour calm race.

I wasn't planning on Eddie pushing Calm back a week. I'm not pushing this back a week. Gonna be a super busy weekend for me.

-Hosting a 120 lap Daytona race
-Driving in a 200 lap Daytona race
-Likely driving in a 2 hour Monza race
-Driving in a 90 minute Sarthe race

Sarthe was meant to be longer than the rest.

It's not me that can't handle an Enduro. It's my cruddy connection that I'm worried about. Then again, I have a long race on Saturday so that'll be a good indicator.

And like I mentioned before, we earned more points at La Sarthe in the past:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=208893If we're earning the same points as all the other races, the laps should be around what Tim mentioned.

Yeah, but then I realized that was way too complicated to do. The enduro at Grand Valley for the Integras was normal points and nobody complained about that. I don't see how this is different.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

FWIW, did a few minutes of testing at La Sarthe. Car should be geared to top out just north of 200 mph. 3:57.589's my best lap, but anything under 4 minutes should be enough to stay competitive.

Ugh. PB 9 seconds off that pace. Only ran about 7 laps working on tranny settings, but still.... one 5 lap stint and the tires started slobbering. At present I can't imagine anyone getting more than 8. But then I'm just an ordinary mortal.

By 200mph do you mean the car actually hits that top speed on track?

Are we running 2009 with chicanes? Thought I read somewhere that it wasn't, but couldn't find it, so I ran w/chicanes. If not, that might account for a couple of seconds. If it is w/chicanes then again :boggled. I've got some work to do.

Time to hit the rack. Hope to catch up with one or more of you tomorrow for some edumaction.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Yeah, but then I realized that was way too complicated to do. The enduro at Grand Valley for the Integras was normal points and nobody complained about that. I don't see how this is different.

It's your call. I'm just accustomed to endurance race = more points. Honestly, I just want to get all the laps in without a disconnect.

Ugh. PB 9 seconds off that pace. Only ran about 7 laps working on tranny settings, but still.... one 5 lap stint and the tires started slobbering. At present I can't imagine anyone getting more than 8. But then I'm just an ordinary mortal.

I haven't done a long stint yet, but I'm guessing 7's the most I'll get out of my tires.

I'm more concerned about fuel consumption. The gearing doesn't seem to affect my mileage at all (roughly 15 liters for an outlap + complete hot lap + backtrack to pits), and based on the replays, I'm a gas guzzler.

By 200mph do you mean the car actually hits that top speed on track?

Yep. Lucky and I did a brief test and we were approaching 190 mph. In a pack, that number will go up by at least 5. In terms of the mph on that little box in the settings, north of 215 mph should be enough.

Are we running 2009 with chicanes? Thought I read somewhere that it wasn't, but couldn't find it, so I ran w/chicanes. If not, that might account for a couple of seconds. If it is w/chicanes then again :boggled. I've got some work to do.

Yep, that's with the chicanes in place, and I tried to avoid the runoffs as best I could. Like I said before, anything under four minutes should be fine. The draft makes a trailing Camaro take off at warp speed.

 

[Dr_Watson]

time to stock up on gatoraid.

 

[Wardez]

Congrats Tim!

And that's an awesome trophy Travis, what a guy 👍

 

[Dragonwhisky]

Yep. Lucky and I did a brief test and we were approaching 190 mph. In a pack, that number will go up by at least 5. In terms of the mph on that little box in the settings, north of 215 mph should be enough.Yep, that's with the chicanes in place, and I tried to avoid the runoffs as best I could. Like I said before, anything under four minutes should be fine. The draft makes a trailing Camaro take off at warp speed.

/me yanks the tranny out and tosses to the scrap man. Best I was getting was just under 180 with my current gearing. I was braking fairly early but that's still quite a chunk to give up. Off to the drawing board I reckon. Tomorrow I think. Past time to hit the rack. Thanks for the info.


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Dunno how you guys are doing it but the best I can get out of the tranny is 177mph. Tried 3 different gear setups and that's the fastest I can make it go.

PB has improved, which arguably, could be attributed to learning how the car goes on this track, but still 6 seconds off Outlaw's pace.

If anyone is interested in taking a look at my tuning efforts, and pass along some wisdom, let me know and I'll load up the spreadsheet I've been using to track the changes I've been making.

Soon as I get the tv back my current plan is to take out all the toe and the rear camber and see if that helps top speed. Wasn't running much in either case but at this point.....
Hmmm. Reducing downforce? How to compensate for this in the turns?

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

/me yanks the tranny out and tosses to the scrap man. Best I was getting was just under 180 with my current gearing. I was braking fairly early but that's still quite a chunk to give up. Off to the drawing board I reckon. Tomorrow I think. Past time to hit the rack. Thanks for the info.


Sarthe Testing room open;

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Got DCed

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Dunno how you guys are doing it but the best I can get out of the tranny is 177mph. Tried 3 different gear setups and that's the fastest I can make it go.

PB has improved, which arguably, could be attributed to learning how the car goes on this track, but still 6 seconds off Outlaw's pace.

If anyone is interested in taking a look at my tuning efforts, and pass along some wisdom, let me know and I'll load up the spreadsheet I've been using to track the changes I've been making.

Soon as I get the tv back my current plan is to take out all the toe and the rear camber and see if that helps top speed. Wasn't running much in either case but at this point.....

Here's my tune:

RH: -17/-20
SR: 10.0/8.5
D(E): 4/6
D(C): 6/4
ARB: 3/3
Camber: 2.3/2.0
Toe: 0.00/-0.25

LSD: 5/60/10

Aero: 35/60

B/B: 5/5

Tranny (Slider to 155)
1st: 3.900
2nd: 2.270
3rd: 2.030
4th: 1.585
5th: 1.300
6th: 1.00
Final: 2.525

Hmmm. Reducing downforce? How to compensate for this in the turns?

That's actually been tried before by myself and a few others. Granted, the car seems to handle better and you gain a tad more speed, but your lap times will only go up.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

Thanks Rich. Will try those settings out tonight or tomorrow and see how they work for me.

Slapped the tune on and I still have no idea how your getting your car to 190mph . Was that while drafting?
2nd gear would only go to 2.454, but I didn't think it was that critical to top speed anyway. PB with the tune as posted was 4:05.xxx Highest top speed I saw was 174mph on first high speed section. I assume by the graph on the tranny tune page, and how it revved on track, you didn't really intend for 6th to be used unless drafting? Holding it in 5th it never did hit the rev limiter but would only hit about 171mph.

Made some adjustments to tranny as follows

1 - 3.900
2 - 2.454
3 - 2.945
4 - 1.585
5 - 1.300
6 - 1.082
F - 2.525
Top speed set to 155mph after reset to default and prior to setting all other gears.

All else remained as you posted. These settings got me to 177mph and a PB of all tunes tried to 4:03.343.

Not really all that concerned about the overall time at the moment since I can gain or lose .250 to 1.0, every time I have to turn the wheel, but I am truly scratching my head how you're getting those top speeds out of this car.

Am I missing something obvious or do I just suck that bad?

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Am I missing something obvious or do I just suck that bad?

The 190 was in draft conditions. Should be below 180 by yourself.

As for my time, because of the long straights, it's all about maximizing exit speed (slow-in, fast-out). Guess what I'm good at?

 

[Müle]

Even on fast tracks like La Sarthe and Monza, you want max downforce in this game.


For those unaware, luckylefty2gunz has been disqualified from the championship. Tim caught him with illegal modifications.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

The 190 was in draft conditions. Should be below 180 by yourself.

As for my time, because of the long straights, it's all about maximizing exit speed (slow-in, fast-out). Guess what I'm good at?

I was hoping it was under draft you hit those top speeds . And, while I've been working on my slow in fast out skills, I don't expect to match you and the rest of the crew in this area, yet. But top speed? That shouldn't be that awfully hard to achieve, all else being equal. Just stab her to the mat and keep her 'twixt one ditch and the other. Yeah, I know, straight line speed relies a bit on keeping the car stable and using the least amount of corrective steering as necessary, but I think I can manage that with some proficiency.

Did improve my time a few more tenths, but that was just doing the chicanes better.

Thanks. Now I know it's just down to my driving again, as it's been thus far.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

I was hoping it was under draft you hit those top speeds . And, while I've been working on my slow in fast out skills, I don't expect to match you and the rest of the crew in this area, yet. But top speed? That shouldn't be that awfully hard to achieve, all else being equal. Just stab her to the mat and keep her 'twixt one ditch and the other. Yeah, I know, straight line speed relies a bit on keeping the car stable and using the least amount of corrective steering as necessary, but I think I can manage that with some proficiency.

Did improve my time a few more tenths, but that was just doing the chicanes better.

Thanks. Now I know it's just down to my driving again, as it's been thus far.

Try fiddling with feedback settings. For long races, I like it lower so my arms don't wear out. That and it's easier to handle the toe settings I apply to the rears.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

FYI, if anyone needs someone to practice with, I'm free for the next few hours. 👍

 

[carracerptp]

I was going to, and began to practice my head out for this race but I have had so much fun finding Mid to High HP, RWD cars, and practicing my car control again.

Don't think it will help me but still looking forward to sunday.

And on an unrelated note, GT5's offline physics are light years better and more fun than the online physics.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

And on an unrelated note, GT5's offline physics are light years better and more fun than the online physics.

I haven't touched the offline side in ages. Probably why I struggled so much with GTA.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

FYI, if anyone needs someone to practice with, I'm free for the next few hours. 👍

I probably should get in some more practice on the off chance I can make this race.

Gonna go burn one then open up room. Will post number shortly.


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Lag punting Rich is just to funny . Not good for learning much though. :/

 

[CSLACR]

Dragonwhisky, to reach the highest speed, set 6th gear so you're exactly at the peak power rpm at the end of the first straight. IIRC peak power is 6300RPM, which means at 179-181mph you want to be right on the first little marker after 6 on the tach.
I would probably make the gears a bit quicker than that,(Peak power in 6th around 170mph) or make it a 5 spd with a very quick 6th just to compensate for draft.
Probably a 5 spd with a quick 6th.

It sucks I can't race tomorrow, hope you guys have a good one.👍

 

[Dragonwhisky]

Dragonwhisky, to reach the highest speed, set 6th gear so you're exactly at the peak power rpm at the end of the first straight. IIRC peak power is 6300RPM, which means at 179-181mph you want to be right on the first little marker after 6 on the tach.
I would probably make the gears a bit quicker than that,(Peak power in 6th around 170mph) or make it a 5 spd with a very quick 6th just to compensate for draft.
Probably a 5 spd with a quick 6th.

It sucks I can't race tomorrow, hope you guys have a good one.👍

Thanks Dom. I may not make the race either. Heading north for some Andretti Racing Experience action in the morning and even if I make it back in time to race I doubt I'll have time to find the numbers for the tranny. It may be fine the way I have it. Still have your tune on it, outlaw's and the one I've been fiddling with in the settings screen. Have no idea which one I'll use since I've set about the same times with all 3. within a few tenths anyway. In the drafting/lag punting exercise we just had this thing does indeed take off like a rocket in the draft. It's gonna be a freaky race.

Only reason I want to show is so I don't give 7th or 8th to Grayfox... Would rather him take it from me on the track.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Strategy to win race:

1. Don't go off...
2. Don't go off...
and...
3. Don't go off...

...and did I mention not to go off?

 

[CSLACR]

Strategy to win race:

1. Don't go off...
2. Don't go off...
and...
3. Don't go off...

...and did I mention not to go off?

That's how you win at Sarthe. It's pretty hard to lose if you don't.
Good luck

 

[Dr_Watson]

That's how you win at Sarthe. It's pretty hard to lose if you don't.
Good luck

What if someone else is on the same strategy?

 

[Dragonwhisky]

Being on the same strategy isn't the same as executing said strategy.

That's been my basic strategy every race I've been in since the IWC.

Yes I'm at the race track. Woohoo!

 

[carracerptp]

Strategy to win race:

1. Don't go off...
2. Don't go off...
and...
3. Don't go off...

...and did I mention not to go off?

My strategy is

1. Don't loses the leaders draft
2. Don't loses the leaders draft
and...
3. Don't follow the leader into the sand

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

What if someone else is on the same strategy?

Then you get a result like the Lotus 111R race a few years back. A messy finish, and a lot of miffed drivers.

Might as well put this out now. If you're going to bump-draft, do it gently. Otherwise, slip-streaming past the ahead car's faster. 👍

 

[Müle]

Do you guys still want to shorten the race?

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Do you guys still want to shorten the race?

Nah. I want to go as far as I can before I blow up with six laps to go.

 

[Michouw]

Hi, just want to know if it's possible for me to participate in this race please