PURE | Flyin' Miata Super Cup | Grand Finale Results & Points Posted!

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Alright, for anyone that is wondering what I was talking about with this weekends race being "interesting", this is what I am looking at:

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R1600Turbo
Alright, for anyone that is wondering what I was talking about with this weekends race being "interesting", this is what I am looking at:
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Ooooh D2 race is Sunny on that image. ;)


I'm all for a nice rainy event.
 
Do you mean rain from start ? .. what settings we starting on then ? Just so I know what to practice for although probably won't get to practice until 2moro. Also is qualifying wet then too ? I think you should make qualifying the weather on what day you qualify on, I think you'll find most people will be qualified by 2moro night if you did that :lol:.
 
I'm going to wait a day or so to make sure before people start qualifying.

So if you are reading this, do NOT qualify yet.

If you want to practice, use these settings:

50% / Change = 0 / Surface water = 30%

Edit: Practice on Sport Softs AND Rain tires. I need opinions on which one is best.
 
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R1600Turbo
Alright, for anyone that is wondering what I was talking about with this weekends race being "interesting", this is what I am looking at:

monzarain.png
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:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

I think I never told you guys but I love rain races.

I did a race on Sunday with SS and R-wet tires, SS is VERY slippery (But I think drivable) / RW, VERY grippy
 
Interesting how the driver-skip rounds influence the team standings.
Seems like dropping the lowest "team scores" doesn't change the trend that full-participation always wins. FU real-life obligations. :grumpy:

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R1600Turbo
I'm going to wait a day or so to make sure before people start qualifying.

So if you are reading this, do NOT qualify yet.

If you want to practice, use these settings:

50% / Change = 0 / Surface water = 30%

Edit: Practice on Sport Softs AND Rain tires. I need opinions on which one is best.
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Can't we just qualify on the dry track? I really wanted to go tonight.
 
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Wow just noticed I have team points...cool! Plus I've moved up a couple of spots in the standings, probably won't be able to break into the Championship ranks though. There should a provisional starting spot in the championship race for the highest ranking driver outside the top 7 with the most points and starts (a.k.a me). :sly:
 
Dr_Watson
Interesting how the driver-skip rounds influence the team standings.
Seems like dropping the lowest "team scores" doesn't change the trend that full-participation always wins. FU real-life obligations. :grumpy:

Can't we just qualify on the dry track? I really wanted to go tonight.
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If we Qualify in wet, it needs to be 100% settings so no variables from person to person.

Personally doing qualify in the non weather version is what we did in PURE JGTS or so I am thinking.
 
Settings posted above would be used for everyone.

Not to mention in real life weather will vary from person to person anyway. I think a small variation in the surface water % is not a huge deal.
 
Think I'm agreeing with RT on this. Would be pretty interesting to have the weather another factor in your qualifying, and it could also really change qualifying up. Could be pretty interesting.
 
Just for anyone that's confused... settings for qualifying are 50% weather, 0% changeability, 30% surface water. That means it starts off at 30% surface water, and the 50% weather stays constant constantly increasing the surface water (just up to 50%? not sure on this). It won't suddenly go sunny for someone. So the only variable is how fast you do your warm up lap really. If you take 10 seconds longer doing your warm up lap, there might be 1 or 2% more surface water starting your first flying lap. Not much, you're right. :D
 
R1600Turbo
Settings posted above would be used for everyone.

Not to mention in real life weather will vary from person to person anyway. I think a small variation in the surface water % is not a huge deal.
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I have to politely disagree.

A 5% change can make a .4s difference on a lap time on a track like Monza. I spent many hours testing this in another series (Same track, 404HP car).

I think it will lead to a interesting Q lineup (Can be good or bad).

Aderrrm
Just for anyone that's confused... settings for qualifying are 50% weather, 0% changeability, 30% surface water. That means it starts off at 30% surface water, and the 50% weather stays constant constantly increasing the surface water (just up to 50%? not sure on this). It won't suddenly go sunny for someone. So the only variable is how fast you do your warm up lap really. If you take 10 seconds longer doing your warm up lap, there might be 1 or 2% more surface water starting your first flying lap. Not much, you're right. :D
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50% weather, 0% changeability, 30% surface water.
^^^ Is that set right before we run our Q? Or just when the room opens? That makes a difference, much more than 1, 2%.
 
I'm not sure. RT? If the track was reset and then both the host and person qualifying entered track immediately then I guess this would be no problem.
 
i have been testing some laps using the settings above.

the 50% weather means the conditions will be pretty rainy but not complete downpour.
(0% = dry. 50% = rainy. 100% = downpour.)

the 0% changeability means it will rain at a constant rate the entire race and the weather will not ever change. the intensity of the rain remains constant.

the 30% surface water means that will be the initial surface water value when the track is reset. this will increase steadily as time passes.

the surface water will increase steadily throughout the race because it will keep raining constantly at the same intensity. i have had a track open for 20 minutes and the surface water is already over 80% and climbing. at 30 minutes in, the track surface water is at 100% so make sure you bring your rain tires!
 
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brandofo
i have been testing some laps using the settings above.

the 50% weather means the conditions will be pretty rainy but not complete downpour.
(0% = dry. 50% = rainy. 100% = downpour.)

the 0% changeability means it will rain at a constant rate the entire race and the weather will not ever change. the intensity of the rain remains constant.

the 30% surface water means that will be the initial surface water value when the track is reset. this will increase steadily as time passes.

the surface water will increase steadily throughout the race because it will keep raining constantly at the same intensity. i have had a track open for 20 minutes and the surface water is already over 80% and climbing. at 30 minutes in, the track surface water is at 100% so make sure you bring your rain tires!
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If we go with rain tires, it's really hard to warm them up but they really can get more grip after a couple laps or so.
 
R1600Turbo
What's the point of qualifying on a dry track when you're racing in the rain? ;)
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Everyone isn't qualifying at the same time; using the no-weather track is the only way to be 100% the same for everyone. If we were qualifying all at the same time in one session, that would be a different story.
 
Dr_Watson
Everyone isn't qualifying at the same time; using the no-weather track is the only way to be 100% the same for everyone. If we were qualifying all at the same time in one session, that would be a different story.
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Everyone starts with the same weather settings though, so it doesn't matter.
 
R1600Turbo
Everyone starts with the same weather settings though, so it doesn't matter.
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Nah, there's still going to be some people that will get good conditions and some that will get worse. Just like real weather there's random variability in the rain setting. (See JGTS spa race that opened up with a lap1 monsoon with 50% weather increasing surface water by 30% per lap).

If you set weather AND change to 0 and only specified the starting water, it would be the same for everyone (a wet track drying out with no chance of downpour).

BTW, my vote is that we stay with the sports tires. They are all-weather.
 
I get that it's not happening at the same time, but the slight variation in the surface water is something that would be an issue in real life too. Last night after the D2 race I set the track to this setting a few times and it was identical each time. The only difference I saw was a slight shift in the surface water percentage in either direction. Something that, as I just said, can happen in real life.

But I haven't locked this down yet either, I still have to play with the settings a bit tonight, and the weather isn't certain for another day or two anyway. I have to make the race info sheet by Wednesday since I won't be hosting on Saturday.
 
R1600Turbo
I get that it's not happening at the same time, but the slight variation in the surface water is something that would be an issue in real life too. Last night after the D2 race I set the track to this setting a few times and it was identical each time. The only difference I saw was a slight shift in the surface water percentage in either direction. Something that, as I just said, can happen in real life.
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Ideally, we should have the option of having the surface water level fixed. That doesn't appear to be the case, however, so the only realistic way to have that number fixed is move it to 100%, and have a monsoon. I'm guessing you don't want that, though.

Whatever you decide, don't worry about the inevitable complaining. We'll adapt, eventually. :lol:
 
carracerptp
I would Vote SS tires as well. They are tricky at over 80% surface water but still race-able ish~
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Force the Start on SS and leave Racing Rains an option on pit stop?


I vote for qualifying in dry just to keep the integrity of qualifying. Otherwise it's not who's the fastest so to speak but luckiest with weather.

In qualifying. I'd rather it be about drivers on equal surfaces.
 
carracerptp
I would Vote SS tires as well. They are tricky at over 80% surface water but still race-able ish~
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Suppose it depends on if we're running with a safety car. Race control could tell everyone to swap for extreme-wets if the conditions get dangerous. (> 75% surface water)
 
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