PURE | JGTS - Going on strong and adapting in the face of change!
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- 7,284
- Inverness, Scotland
- GTP_PaulMac/paulmac2k9
Anyone around to do quali ive just done my first few laps and altered setup so it was a bit more stable and want to run my quali since in a long draft filled race like this quali is very unimportant. As sure you could be 2 seconds faster than the guy behind but if you lose it some where get damage early in the lap your pretty well screwed 
. (Its all about the consistancy baby 
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Also worked out the distance and I make it 22 laps? (Wonder if a 1 stop is possible
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And that video Litchi.
. (Its all about the consistancy baby )Also worked out the distance and I make it 22 laps? (Wonder if a 1 stop is possible
)And that video Litchi
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- 7,284
- Inverness, Scotland
- GTP_PaulMac/paulmac2k9
Aye aye Den that will do one lap wont decide the outcome the other 22-23 will 
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Edit: Den btw its been over 30mins so I get a free pizza
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.Edit: Den btw its been over 30mins so I get a free pizza
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- 4,853
- Buffalo, NY
- PURE_DrWatson
Every single one of these are fair points.
Even though it would put me in D2 this week, I've already suggested we drop the divisional system entirely. I think it's a great concept that isn't working out as planned. If driver count is an issue, meaning we have 24 instead of 28, etc, we could simply split the divisions in two. Meaning 24 qualify, 12 in D1 12 in D2.
I feel like we're lowering the quality of the races, people are getting promoted automatically, and the people getting demoted aren't doing anything to get there.
The more or less people are in the room greatly affects this divisional system as well. Red Dc'd, and it was a low head count at the finish, so the guys behind him got inflated points, which is unavoidable. - But - What is avoidable is someone being stuck in a lower division because of something they can't control.
Because of all this it means faster drivers are dominating D2 and slower drivers are finishing well back in D1.
I feel better now anyway.End rant.
Owens and Neomone's quali times to come...
I'm still with you... I have yet to see how this divisional system produces anything beneficial.
I was all for 'race where you qualify' open divisions from the beginning and the first 4 weeks have yet to change that opinion.
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- United States
- WrecklessAbandon
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- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
Reason why we tryed this divisional system is that we wanted to reward racecraft over quali speed..
And no matter how we put it, the weekly qualifyer will do exactly what we tryed to avoid.
I don't think that the divisional system is as broken as some say.
But there's ofc things that can be done to improve it..
And no matter how we put it, the weekly qualifyer will do exactly what we tryed to avoid.
I don't think that the divisional system is as broken as some say.
But there's ofc things that can be done to improve it..
- 1,121
- Barcelona
- GV27-
I think it could work better if we reduced the number of demoted-promoted drivers. 4 out of 14 strikes me as a bit too much. If it was two, a disconnect would not hurt SO much the chances of staying in D1 if you're fast, and it would still keep people on their toes.
Maybe 3 would be better, or even 2 if 3 is still considered too much. Just my two cents here.
Maybe 3 would be better, or even 2 if 3 is still considered too much. Just my two cents here.
- 10,456
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- WrecklessAbandon
That's part of the problem actually. The system is designed for 14 car races, so when we have 12 car races, 4 drivers is 1/3 of D1.
I understand we don't want to just reward a great qualifying lap, but isn't that kinda how it works? To me a qualifying lap is much more representative of a drivers pace then how they raced at other tracks. (We all have bad and good tracks)
Example - I was running 13's all week for Spa before my internet crapped out, and I qualified 2nd at Nurb F. Now at Sarthe I'm running a lot slower, cars fault or not, I can't give the fastest guys in D1 a good race the way I could have the past 2 weeks.
Next week is Monaco, and without a great finish at Sarthe tomorrow, I'll be in D2 because I had connection issues combined with the slowest car on the fastest track.
Aderrrm, & Denilson are others that can still can get demoted also for connection issues last week.
In any system, if we have the likes of Aderrrm in potential danger of getting bumped to D2, it's failing big time in my book. No disrespect to you guys, Eddie and Dennis, you guys do great things and I love racing with you, but it is what it is.
Maybe something more simple like every week the winner of D2 gets a guaranteed spot in next D1 race, regardless of qualifying?
When the divisional system came up, we also had more drivers, so the lineup looked different as well, I think that plays a factor too.
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- Manchester
- toyotsupra
- Jame3sBoy
What cars are currently available?
- 4,853
- Buffalo, NY
- PURE_DrWatson
To me, it seems needlessly complicated and doesn't add any fun. Just one more regulatory hoop to deal with. And I'm still not sure I see any problem with putting emphasis on qualifying. There is no such thing as someone who races at the front of the field but qualifies at the back.
But if you're worried about the opposite where someone can put in blinding speed in qualifying but can't hold it together for the race then just change qualifying to be an average of two laps not a hot-lap.
Just feels so rigid and engineered the way it is... the series just seems to have way too many rules and 'systems' for something that I thought was going to be minimalist.
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- United States
- WrecklessAbandon
I agree. The 2 lap idea could help, but drivers that set good qualifying laps to be in D1 will likely never run D2 pace. Possibly towards the back of D1 and beginning of D2, and for those unfortunate enough to crash or get dirty qualifying laps.
But I think we'd all rather suck it up the occasional times we qualify badly and run in a lower division then be stuck in D2 for 2 races because we couldn't race the one race of 2 that we needed to to stay in D1.
I think is basically comes down to that in a nutshell. There's no way for the divisional system to fairly account for races not raced. I got through in round 1, but I was able to race Suzuka in my 1 race of 2. (Could have done very well at Spa too
) Now It's Le Sarthe, and I've already dropped 2 rounds.
2 weeks in D2 because I dropped the wrong round? Not having a chance because you couldn't make a race sucks. I'll try like hell tomorrow at Sarthe, but I lose the pack it's game set match for me. D2 here I come, essentially losing 2 more rounds because I couldn't make a race that would have been (in my mind) an almost sure podium.
For Rees it's worse, he even had 4th wrapped up essentially at Spa, now in D2 over a DC 3/4 through the race. Sorry to carry on with this but to me it's unfair, lowering the quality of races, and not giving us any benefits at all so far.
But I think we'd all rather suck it up the occasional times we qualify badly and run in a lower division then be stuck in D2 for 2 races because we couldn't race the one race of 2 that we needed to to stay in D1.
I think is basically comes down to that in a nutshell. There's no way for the divisional system to fairly account for races not raced. I got through in round 1, but I was able to race Suzuka in my 1 race of 2. (Could have done very well at Spa too
) Now It's Le Sarthe, and I've already dropped 2 rounds.2 weeks in D2 because I dropped the wrong round? Not having a chance because you couldn't make a race sucks. I'll try like hell tomorrow at Sarthe, but I lose the pack it's game set match for me. D2 here I come, essentially losing 2 more rounds because I couldn't make a race that would have been (in my mind) an almost sure podium.
For Rees it's worse, he even had 4th wrapped up essentially at Spa, now in D2 over a DC 3/4 through the race. Sorry to carry on with this but to me it's unfair, lowering the quality of races, and not giving us any benefits at all so far.
- 4,881
- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
It's not like I don't hear what you (Tim and Dom) say. It's just that we did actually discuss all this prior the series took of.
I do admit that the divisional system have flaws. Some pretty big ones as well..
But it's really hard to make a change right now.
We'll run this race as usual, and do the promotion/demotion procedure one more time.
We take a break over christmas and new years. So during this 3 week break (Next race is Jan 8th IIRC), we have some time to reorganize some stuff.
Sounds like a deal?
I do admit that the divisional system have flaws. Some pretty big ones as well..
But it's really hard to make a change right now.
We'll run this race as usual, and do the promotion/demotion procedure one more time.
We take a break over christmas and new years. So during this 3 week break (Next race is Jan 8th IIRC), we have some time to reorganize some stuff.
Sounds like a deal?
- 1,208
- San Diego
- RedReevos / GTP_RedReevos
I just think at the beginning of the series, no one expected there to be such a horrible problem with the GT5 servers.
The series divisional system is getting dangerously close to being determined first and foremost by keeping a connection to the spotty servers. Not on talent, practice, racecraft, or pace.
It sucks bad enough to lose points on the race you get disconnected, but to be thrown in the "penalty box" for two more weeks is harsh. Not to mention, if there are only 8 people that race in Div1, the first place finisher in D2 still gets 15th place.
To wait another week, pretty much dooms my chances of any possible championship hopes.
I am not sure if your post means that you are still considering whether I am racing D1 this week or not. Multiple people dropped out of D1. Or am I still be punished by my disconnect?
I know it was a big deal to punish people that didn't show, or that rage quit. But unfortunately, it is those being disconnected that are being punished the most.
The series divisional system is getting dangerously close to being determined first and foremost by keeping a connection to the spotty servers. Not on talent, practice, racecraft, or pace.
It sucks bad enough to lose points on the race you get disconnected, but to be thrown in the "penalty box" for two more weeks is harsh. Not to mention, if there are only 8 people that race in Div1, the first place finisher in D2 still gets 15th place.
To wait another week, pretty much dooms my chances of any possible championship hopes.
I am not sure if your post means that you are still considering whether I am racing D1 this week or not. Multiple people dropped out of D1. Or am I still be punished by my disconnect?
I know it was a big deal to punish people that didn't show, or that rage quit. But unfortunately, it is those being disconnected that are being punished the most.
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- joshua1994
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- WrecklessAbandon
I think when we discussed it before the season, we didn't see everything that would unfold from it at the time.
I have to think it's part of the reason TA left, and I can't blame him for not wanting to drive around for 2 races in a row by himself.
I know it's hard to make changes like this mid-season, but come time after this next race, we'll have new drivers on the D2 list, which could jumble perspectives.
Basically what I'm saying is, should Aderrrm be unfortunate enough to wind up in D2 from this race, I'd hate to see it changed then, but not for all the other guys who've already gotten the short end of the stick.
We still have 17 drivers supposed to qualify today, I have to blame the divisional system for that too.
I would rather put the divisional system on suspension for now, run this race open qualifying, and work out possible ways to re-implement the divisional system in the weeks following the race.
To me that's the level the divisional system has failed, that it should be taken to the drawing board before it's used for another race, rather then the other way around.
BTW - yes, that would mean all the guys who didn't qualify all week long would be stuck in D2. Honestly not a concern to me, we've had a full week, yet again.
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- Inverness, Scotland
- GTP_PaulMac/paulmac2k9
12 done now 5 D1 7 D2.
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- Scanny_Flick
It's 0:00 PST / 08:00 GMT I hope.......
- 4,881
- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
I'm trying to get hold of eddie for some discussions..
It's not official yet.. But it's likely that we scrap the divisional system right now.. Need confirmation first..
So for now, nothing has changed.. But it most likely will. Just continue as usual, and set a fast quali. 👍
Before deadline is a quick tip..
Cause the penalty for a late quali will be the same as always..
It's not official yet.. But it's likely that we scrap the divisional system right now.. Need confirmation first..
So for now, nothing has changed.. But it most likely will. Just continue as usual, and set a fast quali. 👍
Before deadline is a quick tip..
Cause the penalty for a late quali will be the same as always..
