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[Wardez]

Online physics and now the same as offline physics!?!?

 

[Wardez]

Can someone please confirm offline and online physics are now the same?
I'm stuck at work!

The tire wear selector's awesome! And btw, we will keep the tires and fuel consuption at normal. But this is great for sprint races!

And as for the HSV's new redline, and losing power, have you tried just shifting at 9k?

 

[SkengD]

Will you guys have to re spec the hsv ?

 

[twistedfirework]

@Mule happy birthday

 

[IforceV8]

Can someone please confirm offline and online physics are now the same?
I'm stuck at work!

The tire wear selector's awesome! And btw, we will keep the tires and fuel consuption at normal. But this is great for sprint races!

And as for the HSV's new redline, and losing power, have you tried just shifting at 9k?

They seem to be much closer.More testing will be needed to know for sure but I just did a pit stop in A-Spec free run-4 tires and fuel.Was that possible before? I havent hotlapped in A=Spec since GT4.

The fuel thing is fast x2 vs normal and very fast is x4 vs normal.I did a test at the Indy oval and on very fast the HSV used 23L of fuel in a outlap and 2 flyers.Thats about 1.25 mpg compared to 5 mpg on normal.

 

[Wardez]

The biggest question for me right now is whether the online physics are more like the offline physics or the other way around. That would change car characteristics, and it may not be in a linear fashion between our field of cars.

And at this point I don't think the HSV will need to be re-speced, we'll have to do some light testing but that's all.

 

[Denilson]

I'll try the HSV around LaSarthe for reference right away. Will report back within an hour.

 

[Joshua1994]

Oh my days, bad news. Won't be able to make Italy due to working again, and wont be able to make the week after at Nurburgring, nor the final at Suzuka due to partying in Newcastle.. Fingers crossed I can make Spa and Motegi but will have to see nearer the time as to what hours work gives me..

As this is turning into a bit of a joke now, I'm perfectly fine with being replaced at YMS and when (if) I can race, I can quali as an independent driver? Just a thought.

 

[nissman]

Nah, it's a pain in the ass when putting it on an SC and I like my GT-Rs much more without it.

The Zs and Supras and NSXs did well with it.

Strange from my testing with GTR I was always faster with rigidity. Although this testing took place a long time ago. Need to have another try at this.

 

[Sail IC]

I'll try the HSV around LaSarthe for reference right away. Will report back within an hour.

Looking forward to this.

Reading the 2.09 thread, most people are stating its online that changed to be same as offline which is conserning to me. Cann't stand the offline uuuundersteeeeer physics.

 

[Denilson]

Sounds like a plan Joshua..

Nissman: Would you like to drive a GT-R or HSV?
I need a team mate..

My SHIMAI HSV team falls more and more behind for each round..

 

[Sail IC]

Strange from my testing with GTR I was always faster with rigidity. Although this testing took place a long time ago. Need to have another try at this.

I found the differencies very small, with rigidity just a tad more stable in the rear, good and bad. For this championship I have two cars. Used with rigidity at Laguna and without at Le Mans.

 

[nissman]

Sounds like a plan Joshua..

Nissman: Would you like to drive a GT-R or HSV?
I need a team mate..

My SHIMAI HSV team falls more and more behind for each round..

Wardez said I'm in the Xanavi team, but if it's possible of course I rather drive the new HSV. Would be a plesaure to team with you and bring the SHIMAI higher in the team standings!

I found the differencies very small, with rigidity just a tad more stable in the rear, good and bad. For this championship I have two cars. Used with rigidity at Laguna and without at Le Mans.

Ah this is how you go about it now. Interesting.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Strange from my testing with GTR I was always faster with rigidity. Although this testing took place a long time ago. Need to have another try at this.

with the GTR it's more of a preference and setup thing.
I'm faster with it because it tames the rear wear and makes the car a bit grippier. If you like a looser car you'll be faster without it using the natural oversteer bias the car starts with.

 

[Denilson]

Ok.
We'll see what Eddie thinks is the best option to balance the teams.

On to the new physics..
I think it's too early for saying this or that is faster.
But, what I'm sertain of is:
1. Online physics are still Online physics. No offline grip/understeer fest.
2. The progression from grip to no grip is better.
The maximum grip feels the same, but it's harder to get there if that makes sense.
You have to be more exact to get there..
If you can balance this right, you should be able to be as fast.. It's just that it's harder now.

I kind of like it..
Testing continue..

 

[Denilson]

New info:

After trying the HSV and now the NSX as well, it seems like the HSV is affected more.
I could keep pretty much the same pace in the NSX before and after 2,09..
But not to the same degree in the HSV.
The HSV have defenetly been worked with in this update.

 

[PureGT_Kevin]

Hey guys

Sorry for the abcense last week was loaded with work out off town.
Was home one day but i couldent access the site for some reason.

Anywho im back this week

Cheers Kevin

 

[nissman]

Ok.
We'll see what Eddie thinks is the best option to balance the teams.

Ok, would be nice to know as soon as possible. Was planning to catch a flight to Italia today for some testing.

Yay...1000 post at GTP

 

[Adam41]

Looking forward to this.

Reading the 2.09 thread, most people are stating its online that changed to be same as offline which is conserning to me. Cann't stand the offline uuuundersteeeeer physics.

You will now never lose the rear. The loss of grip is more progressive, which is a bad thing, because now it's to easy to catch a little slide coming out a slow corner. You can just mash the throttle in 2nd gear and voila. There's more understeer and the car rotates less under braking. I would say I'm about 1.5 seconds slower now with the GT-R at Sarthe than I was pre 2.09, with the same setup. Of course the setup could solve some of this, but I don't like the feel of it. As described by someone in the 2.09 thread, 'flat'. In a nutshell, the online physics have turned into the offline physics. 👎

So I'm out.

 

[Denilson]

New findings.

It's defenetly more understeer. BUT, you can sort it thru tuning.
I ran the NSX around LaSarthe in 2:52.5 pre 2,09.
And now, after 2,09, I could only hit 53's with the exact same settings due to the understeer.
After some tweaks to my setup, I managed to get the car to rotate better, and really close to how it felt pre 2,09.
Managed a 3:52.0 just now.

I decided to wait with the HSV since it appears it had some tweaks to it self in addition to the new physics.
So in order to separate car specific updates with the general physics update I decided to start with the NSX.
And my findings are that pace is the same, but the setup need to be more rotation friendly now.

On to the HSV now.

So I'm out.

Seriously?
Com'on man!

 

[OwensRacing]

You will now never lose the rear. The loss of grip is more progressive, which is a bad thing, because now it's to easy to catch a little slide coming out a slow corner. You can just mash the throttle in 2nd gear and voila. There's more understeer and the car rotates less under braking. I would say I'm about 1.5 seconds slower now with the GT-R at Sarthe than I was pre 2.09, with the same setup. Of course the setup could solve some of this, but I don't like the feel of it. As described by someone in the 2.09 thread, 'flat'. In a nutshell, the online physics have turned into the offline physics. 👎

So I'm out.

Sad very sad.



Please consider this a tire manufacturer change and we will all be under it. you no doubt will still be at front battling Anfurnee


The update had me regretting giving up my HSV. it had three issues for me. Finding speed, sound, and unusable cockpit from bar in center and no mirror. Now two of three issues are fixed. I want it back. LoL. J/K

Congrats to those troopers that stuck it out. You got yourselves a enjoyable car now.

 

[Denilson]

New findings.

It's defenetly more understeer. BUT, you can sort it thru tuning.
I ran the NSX around LaSarthe in 2:52.5 pre 2,09.
And now, after 2,09, I could only hit 53's with the exact same settings due to the understeer.
After some tweaks to my setup, I managed to get the car to rotate better, and really close to how it felt pre 2,09.
Managed a 3:52.0 just now.

I decided to wait with the HSV since it appears it had some tweaks to it self in addition to the new physics.
So in order to separate car specific updates with the general physics update I decided to start with the NSX.
And my findings are that pace is the same, but the setup need to be more rotation friendly now.

On to the HSV now.

Ok, so now, I'm down to my previous PB of 3:52.5 with the HSV.
I had to loose the rear quite a bit.

What can't be tuned away is the fact that it understeers much when turning and braking.
To me, that's a step in the right direction from PD.
Trail braking has been way too easy to get away with in the past imo.

The rear is a tad more planted. Does'nt snap oversteer like before. Much more feel in it.
Perhaps it's too planted, but the progression in feel is welcome.
All in all, a good physics update imo.

So on to the HSV.
The engine revs are increased. However, you can't use the extra 800 RPM (9500-10300k) to any good but as a buffert for draft.
I still have to change gears @ 9400-9600 RPM to get the max out of the engine.
Better sound
Better interior
Much more tire noice
A tad turned down in how stable it was pre 2,09.
It's still stable, but the setup have to be worked with much harder now.
Pre 2,09, for those who did'nt know, the HSV was like a dream with pretty much any settings.
Now, the settings need to be right to "get there".

I think 2,09 is'nt as bad as some might say.
I think it's pretty good actually.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Well, if the series needs a replacement driver, I suppose I could come back. Sometimes, my connection somehow fixes itself after patches.

Sometimes.

 

[FakeGangstaDIE]

whats up guys? i have a question for track boundaries at Monza i was hoping someone can clarify for me.

Thats on the front straight in between pit wall and white line
Would that be dirty for qualify?

 

[CodeRedR51]

Can anyone report on the handling of the Z now with new physics?

I'll find out myself tonight, just thought while I was at work if someone was on they could check...

 

[Denilson]

whats up guys? i have a question for track boundaries at Monza i was hoping someone can clarify for me.

Thats on the front straight in between pit wall and white line
Would that be dirty for qualify?

General rule of thumb is to stay inside all white solid lines.
However, when we ran Indy, the line to the left when entering the oval was ok to cross.
So I guess this is a similar kind of line.
Have to wait for Eddie before confirming though.

 

[Sail IC]

Tried this new update a bit. Used a bit more technical tracks than Le Mans. Laguna as it was the last race at a technical track and Suzuka as its a great test track.

Quite a big change in how the car handles. Significant understeer to the point that exiting a corner is more or less impossible to slide the rear even if just slamming the throttle. Its like driving a slot car. Cornering is mostly about what speed you carry. If you too fast you go wide (or off with a slot car) and if too slow you will lose time. Most car control is lost as you cannot lose the rear. Its only about balancing speed/understeer and what line you take through the corner.

I never drive offline, but this is probably how offline been all the time.

Tried to change the setup to get rid of the understeer, but not very successful so far.

Overall pace is not that different, perhaps around 0.7sec/minute slower. But who cares, the game has turned much more arcade like.

Edit: A good description in how the cars corners..... The faster you go, the bigger is the radius of your turn, the slower you go the sharper is your turn. That's about how you drive the cars now.

 

[SkengD]

Havent heard any good news yet about this update

 

[Sail IC]

The only good I discovered .... there is more feedback in the wheel when driving over bumps and rumble strips. There might actually be overall more info in the wheel, but not sure about that one. Also, when the tires are cold there seems to be much less grip than before. I think that's good.

 

[yanaran]

Dennis I tried the GT-R and the HSV just now at la Sarthe, and I got basically the same lap times as before. Pre-patch my best where 50.5 and 50.9, now I got 51.0 and 51.1. The biggest difference in handling seems to be no more oversteer when riding the curbs into the Mulsanne chicanes and when coming out of Indianapolis. It also seems you can turn the wheel much harder without the rear coming loose (really easy to warm up the front tires now). I made no setup changes, both cars have CSL's tune from his garage.