PURE | JGTS2-Congratulations to champions tony1311 and team Xanavi Z!

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Yes, points are exaclty the same for every round.

Has there been any thought of giving D2 10th back points. And D1 1-16th points. This way the drivers that drove hard to get top 6 spots can score some d1 level points for their efforts in D2.

Or consider
D1 odd qualifiers. 1-3-5-7-9-11......so on.
D2 even 2-4-6-8-10.....so on

Same points in both rooms. Bonus to top qualifier.


These ideas are not asking for change here now. Just ideas for later. Had them and wanted to get them out there.
 
Yeah, currently (as explained in the OP) the podium winners in D2 get more points then the last three finishers in D2. Something like that but with more of a bonus is what you're suggesting?
 
Haha, it's all good, but that's interesting, I'm gonna put you to something now that I realize this though: tell me, as a racing fan in general but not so much on F1, who's your favorite driver?
Seriously? The Stig :lol: (not kidding, the stig is awesome)

As for racing, the bulk of what I could watch growing up was NASCAR, and while I watched some, I find it overly boring to watch, tbh.(always watched the road races though) I get into random races I pick up, Aussie V8's, DTM, ALMS, etc.
I root for the prettiest cars and the most skilled crazed drivers I can find. :D

Casual, to say the least. I suppose if I watched more than 3-4 hours of tv a week I might find them on a more regular basis? :dopey:
 
we've had the capability to record things since the VCR. don't let TV run your life. ;)

Okay, fine.

Not everybody has a TV recording device, nor the will to go on pirate bay and download the race afterwards.
 
Wardez
Yeah, currently (as explained in the OP) the podium winners in D2 get more points then the last three finishers in D2. Something like that but with more of a bonus is what you're suggesting?

In the respect of tenths and thousands splitting the rooms. I'd say that D2 points would be fair to start at 11th and back. Maybe tenth. Top ten points for winning d2.

If we do this already then I need to pay attention to points. I just happen to think about how D2 has had some wicked fast racers in it. That idea just seemed to help keep points spread on with earned points showing a better number representation of a drivers achievements.

How hard is it to copy the current points and change the formula to see results for kicks.
 
The simple way to do that is to award the same podium bonus points for d2 as in d1.
After all, with the quality number of drivers we have, finishing in the top 3 in d2 is very difficult.
Of course it's too late for this series but it may be worth looking at for the future.
 
Nurb (175), Spa (200), Motegi (300), Suzuka (300)?
I'm not in favour to this at all. 👎

If someone need to watch the F1 live, this round will be dropped.
I'm going to watch it after the race.

We knew about this when we planned the schedule. Should'nt change that this late.
I was really looking forward to this enduro.


Too late to change track as well.
I wanted to prepare for GP/F really good this week, so had a 6 hour session yesterday.
Would'nt like it if it all of a sudden was 6 hours out the door. Did practice with a 300 km race in mind.




But let's not get carried away with this too quickly, 35 or so drivers here that were planning on a 300km enduro this weekend.

It seems the schedule conflicts with some races a large portion like to watch, so my question is, what happens for the next F1 race? Do we cancel or shorten that race too?

Perhaps the better option is starting earlier if watching these races live is this high of a priority?


Don't get me wrong, I'm ok with the shuffle and I like the idea of the Motegi enduro, but this F1 race has been scheduled for a while now, it didn't just crop up either, and, of course, I believe there are more, so what for them? Perhaps a 4-week fix will be easier than scrambling the week of F1 events?

👍
 
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In fairness I'm just looking at the best interest for the series as a whole. I'm gonna take this up into a forum poll for stewards and core members only. It'll be posted in the incident management sub.
 
I hear you Eddie.. But.
The ones who have to watch it live already planned this as a dropped round. The rest want to do this as planned.
Ok, perhaps 1 or 2 more drivers will drop this round, but that's not enough to drasticly change distances and schedule..

I just can't see how we ended up even debating this since it was debated months ago in the first place.
 
I agree with my girlfriend Dennis... however I don't really care. I will be recording it either way and ill watch it after the race.
 
It'll most likely stay the same, always good to see things from different sides though.

Anyway, I'd like to invite every one to re-read our IPO here:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6546586#post6546586

It explains exactly how a driver should act under different circumstances during a race. And although the penalties outlined are different from the Incident Penalty Points system we're using in JGTS 2, the basic incidents and the way you self serve the penalty is exactly the same.
 
And yeah, in addition to Eddies link above, I'd like to state very clearly that it's up to the offending driver how to serve the penalty.
If a driver cause avoidable damage, he can choose to either keep on racing = 60 IP's
Or, he can wait for the other driver, and depending on for how long he waits and how many positions he loose while waiting, get reduced amount of IP's.
In the end, it's a penalty no matter what.
Only difference is how to serve it.
Totally up to the offending driver.

As an example, Dave (Twistedfirework) caused avoidable damage at Seca.
But he waited for 25 seconds and lost 5 positions.
That resulted in 5 IP's instead of 60 IP's.

So all in all, it's up to the driver how to serve the penalty.

My own personal take on this is that if I've caused avoidable damage, that would require me to wait for 30 seconds, I would've kept on racing and recieved the full 60 IP penalty.
But on the other hand, if I knock someone off track without damage, I'd rather wait for the victim to get back in track rather than getting 35 IP's at the finish.

It's up to the offending driver how to serve the penalty. 👍



I agree with my girlfriend Dennis... however I don't really care. I will be recording it either way and ill watch it after the race.

If you beat me in race or Q, I'll let you use the strap-on for once. 👍
 
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If you beat me in race or Q, I'll let you use the strap-on for once. 👍

OK OK let's stop right now as this is getting out of hand, if my girlfriend happens to read this, god knows what she will think haha.

Anyway to the important stuff. I know Dennis is going to do a race tomorrow, but I'm going out for the day (week off work).

Sooo I would like to see if anyone would be interested either tonight or Thursday night to do a race or smaller races e.g. 10 laps etc

I would say around 7 or 8pm GMT
 
Paginas1
OK OK let's stop right now as this is getting out of hand, if my girlfriend happens to read this, god knows what she will think haha.

Anyway to the important stuff. I know Dennis is going to do a race tomorrow, but I'm going out for the day (week off work).

Sooo I would like to see if anyone would be interested either tonight or Thursday night to do a race or smaller races e.g. 10 laps etc

I would say around 7 or 8pm GMT

Yes but leave all cylinder shaped rubber toys at Dennis's house or I'm leaving.
 
OK OK let's stop right now as this is getting out of hand, if my girlfriend happens to read this, god knows what she will think haha.

Anyway to the important stuff. I know Dennis is going to do a race tomorrow, but I'm going out for the day (week off work).

Sooo I would like to see if anyone would be interested either tonight or Thursday night to do a race or smaller races e.g. 10 laps etc

I would say around 7 or 8pm GMT

Hahaha!! I love you Dan!! ;)


And back to racing..

I did some testing today, and I was looking at 3 or 4 stops.. But after doing 30 straight laps under 2 min, a 1-stopper might be possible. 💡

It's really cool, cause at least to me, it seems like there's many viable strategies to use. Should make for a really interesting race.
 
And yeah, in addition to Eddies link above, I'd like to state very clearly that it's up to the offending driver how to serve the penalty.
If a driver cause avoidable damage, he can choose to either keep on racing = 60 IP's
Or, he can wait for the other driver, and depending on for how long he waits and how many positions he loose while waiting, get reduced amount of IP's.
In the end, it's a penalty no matter what.
Only difference is how to serve it.
Totally up to the offending driver.

As an example, Dave (Twistedfirework) caused avoidable damage at Seca.
But he waited for 25 seconds and lost 5 positions.
That resulted in 5 IP's instead of 60 IP's.

So all in all, it's up to the driver how to serve the penalty.

My own personal take on this is that if I've caused avoidable damage, that would require me to wait for 30 seconds, I would've kept on racing and recieved the full 60 IP penalty.
But on the other hand, if I knock someone off track without damage, I'd rather wait for the victim to get back in track rather than getting 35 IP's at the finish.

It's up to the offending driver how to serve the penalty. 👍





If you beat me in race or Q, I'll let you use the strap-on for once. 👍


Also to clear up:

There are two penalty systems Pure uses. The Incident Penalty Outline (IPO) and Infraction Points System (IPS).

IPO is an active, scaleable, penalty system and penalizes drivers based on time directly after a race this system is meant more for smaller championships or those championships with lots of new drivers where skill is in doubt.
IPS is a passive, or retroactive, penalty system that penalizes drivers by points calculated through infraction points divided by participation (number of races you attend). The resulting number is turned into a percentage against your total net points for the season, the percentage is then knocked off of your points (this is your penalty) to make your final total points for the season. The benefit to using the IPS system is that results are finalized automatically after a race, saves time, more simple, and gives more time for investigating incidents since we don't have to necessarily finish handing out IP's before the next round. IPO was designed for bigger championships with lots of experienced drivers.

Anyway, what IPO and IPS do share is the "self-serving" penalties drivers can choose to perform on track. Like in F1, how they get drive-through or stop and go penalties for offenses sometimes. Obviously we can't do that during our races since we don't have an army of FIA stewards watching but what we always allowed people to do instead is to "self-serve" your own penalties by letting off the throttle for a certain time after cutting the track, waiting for those who you punted or damaged, etc.

All defined here:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6546586#post6546586
and in the OP of this thread.
 
Looks like I'll be droping rd.5.

I missed only three F1 races since 94' and I'm not missing this one for sure. First race in Austin and the championship on the line, need to watch it.

A shame since Wardez had a few ideas to sort this out but it seems Dennis is not much of an F1 fan. ;)
 
Looks like I'll be droping rd.5.

I missed only three F1 races since 94' and I'm not missing this one for sure. First race in Austin and the championship on the line, need to watch it.

A shame since Wardez had a few ideas to sort this out but it seems Dennis is not much of an F1 fan. ;)
Actually this very week was specifically discussed before the season, with Eddie having tickets and all.

The rule has always been that everyone needs to be ok with a schedule switch or we don't do it.
For example, switching the races could cause someone to have to miss a later race,(longer race=later finish time) someone who could have made that race that now couldn't, because we changed the schedule so someone else could this race.
 
This is a wrap-up of all incidents we've handled so far, with notes on why we settles on these certain penalties and why certain others were reduced. As stewards we're treating every incident reported to us on a case-by-case basis considering from every angle. Certain incidents can always be handled between drivers so if you had an accident and simply talk it over PM or what have you, then there's no reason for penalizing to be involved. But if there's an incident and at least one of you thinks it was serious enough or one's upset, then by all means report it and we will sort it out. We're relying on all drivers to report what they feel needs reporting race-to-race. We can't go around snooping through every race looking for things and we won't.

That brings up the idea of how we penalize track cutting, we have to treat it the same way. If cutting is reported we will need people that see it to let us know where at and we will then watch the driver reported at different points in the race and penalize accordingly. 20 IP's per lap where at least one major cut was taken without letting off the throttle will be the standard (major cuts will be judged the same way as in qualifying, i.e. going wide to gain time without lifting) and multiple small offs of more than two beyond doubt will receive the same penalty. The IP's will stack according to however many bad laps are found up to a total of 5 whereafter the driver in question will be disqualified from the race.

Thanks.

Using GTP names in reference to all incidents.

Round 2 Laguna Seca​

Division 1 -

Offender: Denilson
Victim: Josh_F
Incident: Josh_F was attempting an overtake on the outside on lap 1 Denilson made contact exiting the corner, which made him go out in the gravel.
Denilson let off the throttle until he was back on track and in control.
Penalty: None. Served on track by letting off the throttle. No damage, and at most, 2-3 seconds lost.
Total: 0

Division 2 -

Offender: snowgt
Victim: Dr Dre
Incident: snowgt attempts a risky move. Fails, causes damage and keeps on racing. The contact and damage was minimal and not at all malicious, just heated racing.
Penalty: 60 IP's for causing avoidable damage reduced to 35 for aggressive driving due to the seemingly insignificant nature of the contact and evident lack of intent.
Total: 35

Offender: Petros
Victim: Highlandor
Incident: Highlandor had good intentions. He wanted to let Petros pass, but Petros ran in to Highlandor causing damage under hesitation going into the first turn. Petros wasn't close enough to even think of a pass, and all of a sudden, Highlandor almost parked it in the middle of the braking zone. Both are at fault in different ways.
Penalty: A warning of 5 IP's for both drivers. Both could've avoided the incident from happening. Padded_Cell needs to be more predictable being passed.
Total: 5 to each.

Offender: twistedfirework
Victim: Dr Dre
Incident: Twisted brakes too late, causing avoidable damage on lap 16
Penalty: 60 IP's for causing avoidable damage reduced to 5 IP's for a warning since he served his own penalty on track by parking it for ~25 seconds until Jess-N-Dre was back on track, in the race, and also lost 5 positions doing so.
Total: 5

Round 3 La Sarthe​

Division 1 -
Supersic: 5 IP's for multiple small cuts during racing or drafting early in the race.
Sail IC: 20 IP's for cutting the track, going wide full-throttle.
Litchi: nothing/verbal
Michouw: 20 IP's for multiple small cuts through out the entire race.
Then a general verbal warning against draft tailcoating outside the track boundaries.



Division 2 -

Offender: snowgt:
Victims: Hancock and Dr_Watson
Incident: Causing avoidable damage to Hancock on lap 1 and Dr_Watson on lap 1. This is his second race causing avoidable damage. snowgt will be put on probation for 2 rounds which means that if he causes another avoidable contact incident he will be DQ'ed for a race.
Penalty: 120 IP's for two penalties for causing avoidable damage and probation for 2 rounds (75% completion).
Total: 120

Offender: basse101
Victim: FakeGangstaDIE
Incident: Ran FakeGangstaDIE off track just prior to the Porsche curves on lap 1. This was unintentional due to basse101 losing control by slightly going off track into the grass sending him spinning into FGD during a very tight passing attempt going into the entry for Porsche curves. It is determined to be a racing incident.
Penalty: 60 IP's for causing avoidable damage reduced to 35 for aggressive driving and being caught off guard in the draft, silly nature of the contact, reduced to 0 for it being totally out of basse's hands and partly due to FGD's ill-advised passing/almost divebombish run on his inside, racing incident.
Total: 0


Offender: MÜLE_9242
Victim: Nissman
Incident: Causing avoidable damage to Nissman missing his braking point at Mulsanne corner on lap 1. He lost control due to damage but kept going then spun out in front of Hanock causing avoidable damage to him.
Penalties: 60 IP's x2 for causing avoidable damage and rejoining track without regards to oncoming traffic reduced to 35 for punting Nissman and 60 for causing avoidable damage to Hancock carnage + 20 more for cutting Dunlop chicane and not giving the spot back to ealirendur for a total of 115 IP's.
Total: 115

Offender: HenryT
Victims: SkengD and Dr_Watson
Incident: Ran in to the back of SkengD in the Dunlop S/chicane on lap 1 causing avoidable damage to him.
And another case of causing avoidable damage to Dr_Watson on lap 9.
Penalty: 120 IP's for two cases of causing avoidable damage. First incident has been concluded as a racing incident so the penalty for causing damage is reduced to nothing. Second contact is reduced to 35 IP's for aggressive driving after an investigation (bad passing set up).
Total: 35


Offender: Dr Dre
Victim: Ealirendur
Incident: Causing avoidable damage "pitting" Ealirendur leading to damage on lap 16 after Mulsanne corner. Looks evident of an aggressive revenge maneuver, although it was determined to be not. If someone makes contact with you, please get revenge the proper way, through us settling these matters with penalties, not on track.
Penalty: 60 IP's for causing avoidable damage reduced to 35 for aggressive driving.
Total: 35

Round 4 Monza​

Division 1 -
Offender: Paginas1
Victim: Sail IC
Incident: Causing avoidable damage on lap 34, turn 1. Braked too late slamming into the back of Sail IC causing both cars to hit the concrete barriers. Paginas1 immediately got back on track and carried on with his race leaving Sail IC behind.
Penalty: 60 IP's for causing avoidable damage and not waiting as per the IPO.
Total: 60.
 
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Fixed. Dr Dre's incident was not intentional. The part talking about "revenge" was aimed at other drivers as a general statement, not for his case.
News updated, OP updated, sleeping schedule downgraded.

I'm heading to bed, see you guys in the racing morning aka way too late.
 
Oh nice! That woke me up O_O

I'm excited for you too. Gonna be interesting hearing how you feel with it.

Anyway, before I really sleep, here's one more thing. A video that twistedfirework took showing his incident in Laguna Seca. This is a great example of how you should wait up for someone you took out, in most cases this will severely reduce your penalty and sometimes get rid of it all together (depending on the case of course):

 
Who's that in the background lol?

Yes great example there orrr you could just do me which is hit and run lol. However I felt it was the best option in my situation.
 
Forgot to post this as well, but it's important. This goes to show just how hard we all work for you guys. How dedicated and willing we are in order to make this championship a success.

This is a screengrab from our series management forum where all Pure officials meet in order to discuss, plan, investigate, and nurture the series. All of the posts are for JGTS 2 alone:

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