Racing Soft Drift?

[Gonales]

And so you're seeing just the few that don't know what they're doing. Never judge everyone off of a few. That's a ridiculously stupid move.

A few? I said there are 2 or 3 drifters I really think of as coming close to perfect, and 20, maybe 30 as good. The rest doesn't strike me as average. Not because of the drifting, or the personality, but because of the driving.

Elaborate oh wise one.

What's there to elaborate about? If you haven't gotten the point by now I can't help you.

I do as much as you do.

Yeah right -.- Do you drift, even?

 

[Downhill Dino]

What's there to elaborate about? If you haven't gotten the point by now I can't help you.

I'm curious how you define drifting.

Yeah right -.- Do you drift, even?

Yes, not as much as I used to though sadly. I'm more into the racing series here on GTP. Was really big into drifting in Race Driver GRiD, was a top drifter I'd say. But that's a different game. But I can say I've been drifting since GT3 days if you want a time frame.

 

[Gonales]

I'm curious how you define drifting.

I define it the way the Japanese people defined it when they started drifting. Yes, there weren't any rules... But there weren't 900 HP cars either, or extremely expensive tires... Drifting is about a passion, expression... Nearly an art. And it requires (to be executed well), some really good driving skills that some people miss. Most people, on GT5.

Yes, not as much as I used to though sadly. I'm more into the racing series here on GTP. Was really big into drifting in Race Driver GRiD, was a top drifter I'd say. But that's a different game. But I can say I've been drifting since GT3 days if you want a time frame.

Don't be so quick to judge yourself 'top'. What you consider top, I might not

 

[Downhill Dino]

I define it the way the Japanese people defined it when they started drifting. Yes, there weren't any rules... But there weren't 900 HP cars either, or extremely expensive tires... Drifting is about a passion, expression... Nearly an art. And it requires (to be executed well), some really good driving skills that some people miss. Most people, on GT5.

I fail to see the problem if that's how you view drifting to be.

Don't be so quick to judge yourself 'top'. What you consider top, I might not

I'm just doing what you're doing. And considering GRiD has a points system, very easy to tell if you're a top drifter or not.

 

[Gonales]

I fail to see the problem if that's how you view drifting to be.

The problem is with the people like the person that made the OP, who want to do things just because they are different. Change doesn't mean anything positive. Problem is, that drifting as it should be, is impossible on racing tires.

I'm just doing what you're doing. And considering GRiD has a points system, very easy to tell if you're a top drifter or not.

Except the fact that I have a tad more experience than you, and am considered one of the most defensive drivers around?

And the points system... Is that as 'good' as the points system on GT5?

 

[Downhill Dino]

The problem is with the people like the person that made the OP, who want to do things just because they are different. Change doesn't mean anything positive. Problem is, that drifting as it should be, is impossible on racing tires.

What's wrong with being different? And it was more of his choice of car then tires that was the problem.

Except the fact that I have a tad more experience than you, and am considered one of the most defensive drivers around?

What's your point?

And the points system... Is that as 'good' as the points system on GT5?

We're not here to compare games.

 

[Gonales]

What's your point?

My point: Why change things just because some person thinks they are better when 80% + logic states they are not? I mean, if he wants to do things offline, fine. But calling it drifting isn't the way he should go about it.

We're not here to compare games.

I wasn't comparing the games, I was comparing the points system. Every decent drifter on this forum knows the GT5 point system is a joke. So, I asked if the Grid point system was just a joke as well? Which would make your statement about being a good point drifter obsolete.

 

[Downhill Dino]

My point: Why change things just because some person thinks they are better when 80% + logic states they are not? I mean, if he wants to do things offline, fine. But calling it drifting isn't the way he should go about it.

You mean 80% + opinion? Also that 80% thing is a little... unneeded as it really doesn't matter. Just because everyone else does it, I should too?

I wasn't comparing the games, I was comparing the points system. Every decent drifter on this forum knows the GT5 point system is a joke. So, I asked if the Grid point system was just a joke as well? Which would make your statement about being a good point drifter obsolete.

In that case, while yes, GT5's system is pretty pathetic. GRiD's is very well set-up and it has a really in depth competition system.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Miko1337

Yeah use whatever tires you want man..

But i don't know if you had seen my post before.

But anyway playing around a bit with the hatchback STI think sports medium between sports hard tires might be the best way to go for Gymkhana (with the right setup on your suspension).


Only reason I say stay away from racing tires is because they are way too grippy. Too grippy for most race cars in my opinion

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Try Ruf BTR with Sports Medium, pretty easy to hold a drift at nice angle and speed with the right tune , but it might be difficult to control than other cars. I had one tuned at only 300HP, it can still drift the rear SM tires at Indy Road.

 

[Dan]

Drifting is about a passion, expression... Nearly an art. And it requires (to be executed well), some really good driving skills that some people miss. Most people, on GT5.

Well, since anything, and basically everything is art, I don't see why someone can't drift a car on Racing or even Sports tires as opposed to Comfort Hard tires and still call it art. Your tryhard elitism is laughable. Even worse than the tryhards of Call of Duty games. Stop telling people how to play the game just because "Comfort Hards are the norm." Gonales, please dismount your high horse.

 

[Megamarcx84]

You mean 80% + opinion? Also that 80% thing is a little... unneeded as it really doesn't matter. Just because everyone else does it, I should too?

Sadly yes, in order to drift along with a community that has accepted certain parameters as canon, it would be prudent do conform, you know like when in Rome?

In that case, while yes, GT5's system is pretty pathetic. GRiD's is very well set-up and it has a really in depth competition system.

GRiDs point system is somewhat of a moot point in establishing the level of the drifter, lest it be proven that GRiDs physics are at least to GT5's standards...otherwise id be justified in pointing to my NFS Prostreet records as proof of my "top level" drifting

Racing soft drifting? For exhibition and farting around purposes only, unless I happen to be especially baked and in a true IDGAF type of mood; keep that mess away from me. Looking for Ken Blockish, gymkhana like fun? They're called sports hards, try them out.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Try Ruf BTR with Sports Medium, pretty easy to hold a drift at nice angle and speed with the right tune , but it might be difficult to control than other cars. I had one tuned at only 300HP, it can still drift the rear SM tires at Indy Road.

Hey i know this for a fact.

Last night on Nurburgring Nordschleife i was trying to match the CTR Yellowbird world record time. I studied the in car video of it and sports hard and sports medium seemed about the closest to the real life video (one this is wanted to achieve with the G27)


Sorry for off topic

 

[Downhill Dino]

Sadly yes, in order to drift along with a community that has accepted certain parameters as canon, it would be prudent do conform, you know like when in Rome?

No, I don't know.

GRiDs point system is somewhat of a moot point in establishing the level of the drifter, lest it be proven that GRiDs physics are at least to GT5's standards...otherwise id be justified in pointing to my NFS Prostreet records as proof of my "top level" drifting

I didn't mean that my skill in GRiD showed my skill in GT. I only meant in that game, and that game only. My skill is not transferable and you had misunderstood my words.

 

[Dan]

For the past several months, I have been drifting on comfort hard tires in RWD cars and I have thought they were the norm as well. And it doesn't help that every drift lobby I joined had CH-tires-only restrictions. But reading this thread has opened my eyes to the other styles of drifting and as soon as I'm able to get my hands on a RÜF CTR Yellowbird or BTR (whichever is better for drifting) I will immediately start drifting them on sports tires. And for many others on here, I suggest you open your eyes as well.

 

[Lock2Lock]

For the past several months, I have been drifting on comfort hard tires in RWD cars and I have thought they were the norm as well. And it doesn't help that every drift lobby I joined had CH-tires-only restrictions. But reading this thread has opened my eyes to the other styles of drifting and as soon as I'm able to get my hands on a RÜF CTR Yellowbird or BTR (whichever is better for drifting) I will immediately start drifting them on sports tires. And for many others on here, I suggest you open your eyes as well.

Just letting you know i wasn't talking about drifting it i was trying to match this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Thomd4BQg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

That's why i said sorry off topic haha


But yeah those two will drift on about any tire

 

[JJSCHMITTY2000]

I have a couple of comments.

TO THE OP: Yeah, go ahead and drift whatever the 🤬 you want. It's just a grip multipler going by 0.5 g increments, so it should still work.

TO GONALES: You didn't read the OP, did you? He said that he wanted to fart around with it and not drift competitively with RS tires; he was mearly asking tips on how to. Also, I hate to break it to you, but you are acting like an elitist snob with your attitude.

 

[Gonales]

Well, since anything, and basically everything is art, I don't see why someone can't drift a car on Racing or even Sports tires as opposed to Comfort Hard tires and still call it art. Your tryhard elitism is laughable. Even worse than the tryhards of Call of Duty games. Stop telling people how to play the game just because "Comfort Hards are the norm." Gonales, please dismount your high horse.

Because Racing and Sport tires won't work as well. Less angle, less wheelspin... Overall, less show. Plus the fact you just can't do the same on Racing tires as on Comfort tires.

My high horse? Why don't you get me off, and prove me wrong?

For the past several months, I have been drifting on comfort hard tires in RWD cars and I have thought they were the norm as well. And it doesn't help that every drift lobby I joined had CH-tires-only restrictions. But reading this thread has opened my eyes to the other styles of drifting and as soon as I'm able to get my hands on a RÜF CTR Yellowbird or BTR (whichever is better for drifting) I will immediately start drifting them on sports tires. And for many others on here, I suggest you open your eyes as well.

The fact you only joined CH lobbies has nothing to do with it, there are a LOT of lobbies that are not limited. And frankly, if you wanna use sport tires... Fine. But I suggest that you do it in either public and unlimited lobbies, or offline. Don't start bothering CH only lobbies with your tire choice please.

 

[Megamarcx84]

For the past several months, I have been drifting on comfort hard tires in RWD cars and I have thought they were the norm as well. And it doesn't help that every drift lobby I joined had CH-tires-only restrictions. But reading this thread has opened my eyes to the other styles of drifting and as soon as I'm able to get my hands on a RÜF CTR Yellowbird or BTR (whichever is better for drifting) I will immediately start drifting them on sports tires. And for many others on here, I suggest you open your eyes as well.

And here the fear becomes the reality, even as all the lobbies are reportedly using CH only restrictions, another one is inspired to open their eyes to drifting on a contrarian compound...Not an elitist in the least here, but i can tell you the BTR can drift just fine on comfort hards, and sports compound is going to basically add speed cheaply, in lieu of doing it smartly with ballast or suspension and differential tuning...far be it from me to discourage or scare away new drifters, but I see it as a public service to recommend social skills be practiced on CHs exclusively, I'm glad it was done for me...that's not to say I don't fool around a bit on other compounds or other drivetrains but I keep that mess to myself, I can only hope more noobs would do the same.

 

[Dan]

The fact you only joined CH lobbies has nothing to do with it, there are a LOT of lobbies that are not limited. And frankly, if you wanna use sport tires... Fine. But I suggest that you do it in either public and unlimited lobbies, or offline. Don't start bothering CH only lobbies with your tire choice please.

And how exactly would I bother them when I am not doing anything to them? And I primarily do solo drifts. Please elaborate.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Problem is, that drifting as it should be, is impossible on racing tires.

No, you mean drifting how you think it should be. If you want to call it an art form, then surely you understand that art is subjective.

My point: Why change things just because some person thinks they are better when 80% + logic states they are not? I mean, if he wants to do things offline, fine. But calling it drifting isn't the way he should go about it.

He can call it drifting because so long as the car is adopting an excessive rear slip angle and he's intentionally holding this oversteer throughout the course of a turn or turns, that's exactly what it is.

And since GT5 has a lot of people that do not have the skills and experience to race decently on those kind of speed and tires, why should they be allowed to use those tires when drifting?

"Allowed"? Oh dear.

It's a game. And it's their choice. Which nicely segues into this:

My high horse? Why don't you get me off, and prove me wrong?

You're wrong. Whether or not you admit it is another matter entirely.

 

[Dan]

Resistance is futile! You will drift on all tire choices!

 

[Dan]

Because Racing and Sport tires won't work as well. Less angle, less wheelspin... Overall, less show. Plus the fact you just can't do the same on Racing tires as on Comfort tires.

Hey. Wanna hear something funny? Get ready for this....…… I got better angle and speed in my Rear-engine, Rear-wheel-drive RUF BTR on Sports Hards than other RWD cars on Comfort Hards! Isn't that hilarious?!

Now, what were you saying? Something about how Sports tires give you less angle, and wheelspin than Comfort tires? Because I sure got a hell of a lot more wheelspin than everyone else.

 

[Stavingo]

Ironic how all the elitist early CH drifters are banned from GTP, people need to relax and chill out about damn tire choice for drifting for individuals, just because comforts are the norm doesn't mean everyone has to drift on them.

Arguing about tire choice? Ain't nobody got time fo dat

 

[Dan]

Ironic how all the elitist early CH drifters are banned from GTP, people need to relax and chill out about damn tire choice for drifting for individuals, just because comforts are the norm doesn't mean everyone has to drift on them.

Arguing about tire choice? Ain't nobody got time fo dat

👍

 

[Gonales]

Hey. Wanna hear something funny? Get ready for this....…… I got better angle and speed in my Rear-engine, Rear-wheel-drive RUF BTR on Sports Hards than other RWD cars on Comfort Hards! Isn't that hilarious?!

Now, what were you saying? Something about how Sports tires give you less angle, and wheelspin than Comfort tires? Because I sure got a hell of a lot more wheelspin than everyone else.

More wheelspin is impossible. And more angle is logical, seeing the Ruf has more angle than most other vehicles on the same tires as well. Overall, I was right. Less angle, less wheelspin.

Ironic how all the elitist early CH drifters are banned from GTP, people need to relax and chill out about damn tire choice for drifting for individuals, just because comforts are the norm doesn't mean everyone has to drift on them.

Arguing about tire choice? Ain't nobody got time fo dat

I got time for it. Plus, I'm not banned. And I started 2 years ago.

No, you mean drifting how you think it should be. If you want to call it an art form, then surely you understand that art is subjective.

Yeah, art is subjective. But painting isn't the same as drawing is it?

He can call it drifting because so long as the car is adopting an excessive rear slip angle and he's intentionally holding this oversteer throughout the course of a turn or turns, that's exactly what it is.

Yeah, like I said... prove to me he can do it. For example, do the ring, of cape ring on racing tires, and I will retract my statements.

"Allowed"? Oh dear.

It's a game. And it's their choice. Which nicely segues into this:

Well, If he can't do what he should be able to do, kind of figures what the problem is.

You're wrong. Whether or not you admit it is another matter entirely.

I'm not wrong. I don't care what you guys say. I said 3 posts ago... If you think I'm wrong, prove me wrong. If you can't... Well, then I might not be wrong?

 

[nk4e]

Gonales, I think you posted on and off during that period...

 

[Dan]

More wheelspin is impossible. And more angle is logical, seeing the Ruf has more angle than most other vehicles on the same tires as well. Overall, I was right. Less angle, less wheelspin.

You are so funny. I did get better angle, speed, and wheelspin than everyone else.

 

[Hasis]

The only time I've seen racing softs in a drift was when a guy was drifting his '69 Dodge Charger

Sounds like me....
BTW i think you mean 70 Charger

 

[Gonales]

You are so funny. I did get better angle, speed, and wheelspin than everyone else.

Yeah, why don't you prove it then?