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It's definitely a Kreigsmodell stock, and it does not appear to be laminated, just seen Davids post, guess it's laminated. Barrel also is stamped "41" .... 1941. The same year Michael has stated for the switchover. This could be why it "may" be Walnut. Upon thinking, and correct me if I am inaccurate, but didn't the changeover happen in '44 / '45 ?
Id'ing a Kreigsmodell -
A) no dis-assembly lug - full Kreigsmodell feature
B) the barrel is stamped "bnz" - a manufacturer known for using Kreigsmodells
C) no bayonet lugs - another Kreigsmodell feature
D) rings held in place by screws, not a band spring - Kreigsmodell feature
Id'ing a Kreigsmodell -
A) no dis-assembly lug - full Kreigsmodell feature
B) the barrel is stamped "bnz" - a manufacturer known for using Kreigsmodells
C) no bayonet lugs - another Kreigsmodell feature
D) rings held in place by screws, not a band spring - Kreigsmodell feature
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I think I like the part about the rifle being captured, being rebuilt by the Russians. Says a lot about the original rifle, and it's very cool history.
I also doubt it's a rare model, as it is very crudely put together. I'll do some digging and see.....
It's in terrible shape, and I'm pretty sure it'd blow my head off if I try firing it.Is your Arisaka a type 44 ? If so, I'm so jealous of you. A type 44 is one of those other toys on my checklist. Plain Jane Arisaka's (type 38's) are a dime a dozen, readily available anywhere. The 44's are a little more elusive ... a nice clean one that is.
I also doubt it's a rare model, as it is very crudely put together. I'll do some digging and see.....
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Kriegsmodell.
If I remember correctly manufacturers started to integrate some material and cost-saving features in the 98's as early as in 43'. First they started introducing stamped barrel bands and stamped magazine/trigger guards, no capture screws, rear sight with range markings only on the top side and they switched to very light parkerizing as finish (light grey color). At the very end of the war barrel bands were even cruder in design and only held by screws instead of leaf springs, bayonet lugs and cleaning rods were left out, the stocks were rough.
David, I don't think thats a laminated stock, I'm almost certain its walnut + shellac.
In a laminated stock you could see all the wood layers on top and bottom of the stock, like here:
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If you have to buy a new barrel much sooner because of the increased barrel wear the cheap ammo is in fact more expensive than quality ammo.
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Laminated wood has several advantages over normal wood, and thats mainly production costs and production speed. Hardwood like walnut needs years of drying until it can be made into a stock and it needs a good oil finish so it does not warp when it gets wet. Now for a laminated wood stock you can use the cut wood right away, glue it together and cut out a stock. Done. Its highly moisture resistant, does not need a finish and its easy and fast to make. Thats why the pre-war models have normal hardwood stocks and the war models mostly have laminated stocks.
However, there are some disadvantages as well, I have found out that laminated stocks tend to split where they're glued together creating long vertical cracks right through the entire stock, especially when put under a lot of stress like the heavy recoil of a K98k. Laminated stocks are also heavier and softer, its easier to dent and damage that kind of stock.
Even though hardwood is more maintenance intensive (You constantly need to oil it) I prefer it over laminated wood because its tougher.
About your Kriegsmodell 98, I guess they used whatever wood they could find during that desperate time, a hardwood stock might not be that unusual.
However, there are some disadvantages as well, I have found out that laminated stocks tend to split where they're glued together creating long vertical cracks right through the entire stock, especially when put under a lot of stress like the heavy recoil of a K98k. Laminated stocks are also heavier and softer, its easier to dent and damage that kind of stock.
Even though hardwood is more maintenance intensive (You constantly need to oil it) I prefer it over laminated wood because its tougher.
About your Kriegsmodell 98, I guess they used whatever wood they could find during that desperate time, a hardwood stock might not be that unusual.
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How does he know so much!?👍
I'm single.
@ David
Nice Glock man! 10mm is an awesome round, I suggest you check out double tap ammo, they're one of the few ammo manufacturers that load the 10mm to its full potential.
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Guy who gave me the Arisaka, Gunsite is the latest rifle he's bought. I like it, too. Very cool Scout design. 👍 If I ever get it, I'd add the XS sights that extend the picatinny rail all the way back to the rear sights.
On the .308, I've had good luck with my Bushmaster .308, but I've yet to try any of the 7.62s I've bought for it. I guess I'll find out soon enough.
On the .308, I've had good luck with my Bushmaster .308, but I've yet to try any of the 7.62s I've bought for it. I guess I'll find out soon enough.
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I like this concept a lot.
I think its more useful than the usual main battle tanks, IMO compact large caliber machinecannons with a reasonably high firing rate is the way to go in todays fast and frantic urban warfare. The guns are much better at quickly dispatching multiple targets than the huge, slow and cumbersome tank cannons. The machinecannons may be less effective at destroying heavily armored targets (but I bet a salve of those 30mm HE rounds is enough to destroy a tanks vulnerable optical targeting hardware) but thats what its rockets are for. And with its 30mm guns it can engage low altitude aircraft like helicopters and maybe even strafing A-10's Thunderbolts.
I think its more useful than the usual main battle tanks, IMO compact large caliber machinecannons with a reasonably high firing rate is the way to go in todays fast and frantic urban warfare. The guns are much better at quickly dispatching multiple targets than the huge, slow and cumbersome tank cannons. The machinecannons may be less effective at destroying heavily armored targets (but I bet a salve of those 30mm HE rounds is enough to destroy a tanks vulnerable optical targeting hardware) but thats what its rockets are for. And with its 30mm guns it can engage low altitude aircraft like helicopters and maybe even strafing A-10's Thunderbolts.
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They're great if you need air mobility. The ability to roll one of them into the back of an A400M at a moments notice is a huge advantage.Michael88
But, the survivability of those vehicles is far, far less than those of a main battle tank (MBT). Bare in mind the only loss of hull for a British Challenger Two was when it got hit by another CR2. There are examples of them taking as many as 70 RPGs and remaining hull integrity.
The new British fighting vehicle, Scout SV, is based on the ASCOD design but with survivability being the key. The problem is the more active and passive systems you add the more you increase the weight and approach that golden airlift limit.
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I was able to go pick up the newest toy to the collection this past Saturday.
What's in the case ?
A C3 Sig Sauer 1911
Opposite side view
My 2 Sigs / P226 and the C3 1911
Didn't get the time to fire anything off in it yet ... too busy of a weekend. I was however able to swing into one of my fav. gun shops and pick up 2 boxes (50 rounds each) of Remington .45ACP for it. Ammo was not too bad for it, $39 per box of 50. Having a custom made holster made for it when I hit down into the Amish community this week in my adventures. There is a good leather shop located down there that does fantastic work at a great price. I looked at several store models of holsters and was not overly thrilled with the selection. This way, I tell them what I want as far as the design / options, and it's there.
What's in the case ?
A C3 Sig Sauer 1911
Opposite side view
My 2 Sigs / P226 and the C3 1911
Didn't get the time to fire anything off in it yet ... too busy of a weekend. I was however able to swing into one of my fav. gun shops and pick up 2 boxes (50 rounds each) of Remington .45ACP for it. Ammo was not too bad for it, $39 per box of 50. Having a custom made holster made for it when I hit down into the Amish community this week in my adventures. There is a good leather shop located down there that does fantastic work at a great price. I looked at several store models of holsters and was not overly thrilled with the selection. This way, I tell them what I want as far as the design / options, and it's there.
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