Real Guns

[Jedi2016]

You are correct, no permit is required to conceal carry here in Arizona. A bad guy isn't going to care if it's legal or not to conceal carry, so why should the citizens who's intent is only to protect themselves be put at such a disadvantage.

That's the problem with all these laws, is that they only restrict the people who obey them. If you outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns.

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, very good point on the criminals concealed carrying. The argument makes perfect sense to me. 👍

P.S. Found Border Wars on Netflix. I will check it out!

 

[jswilli1]

You don't have to do the stock upgrade to make it accept an external mag. The Tapco mag also works with the wood stock. I sorta like wood stocks more and more the more I look at them.

I have also seen them with AK mags but I don't like how that looks.

The 20 and 30 round Tapco or any other mag just doesn't feed well in the SKS. I generally stay with the 10 round mag that was stock with the gun and utilize "Stripper" clips and shoot 10 rounds at a time.

 

[a6m5]

Anyone have opinion on night sights for handguns?

I've been checking out lasers, lights & night sights for my Glock G17, and I think trijicon(sp?) type 3-dot night sights might be a good place to begin. I just found out recently that trijicon have same color on all three dots, but there is another brand out there(tru-something, I think) that has different color for the front sight. It prevents you from getting the front sight mixed up with the rear dots, and as silly as that sound, when I'm practicing quick sighting(probably not correct term ), occasionally, I do misplace the front sight too low and don't see the front sight right away.

My real dilemma is the light attachment. As far as flashlights & portable electronics go, I've been switching everything over to either AA or AAA batteries. Of course, all good weapon lights use that CR123 or whatever specialty battery. I don't have to have uber brightness or battery life longevity. I'd gladly sacrifice for those things if I could just keep my battery inventory to just two types. Survivalist inside my head(he's very paranoid) warns me that in case of emergency, last thing I need to be doing is worrying about securing some obscure battery to get the job done.

Trickiest thing so far has been the light sizes. Lights that uses AA or AAA's are too long, and while they are "doable" on my Gen 3 G17, overall fit can be downright awkward. This actually is a factory Glock flashlight adapter:

You actually have to replace the magazine base plate with this adapter(yeah, no). Here's another option I'm considering:

Much better, but compared to proper handgun light attachments, it is still far from ergonomic and seriously lacking in the looks department. If standard light attachment looks clean, this one is SVT Raptor in the mud for about half a day. Unfortunately, this style adapter+LED flashlight is the best I've been able to come up with.

 

[Time_Attack]

Regular tritium sights should be fine, I don't know why you'd need a flash light.

 

[a6m5]

Regular tritium sights should be fine, I don't know why you'd need a flash light.

For shooting someone in the dark! I used to think like you, then it dawned on me. In home/self-defense situation, odds of that type situation taking place in the dark is a pretty darn good one. I want to be able to see the look on his face when I pull the trigger what I'm shooting at.

j/k

 

[sniper338]

I have the tritinium night sights on my sig and they're just as bright now as when I first bought it. They work good for me and I would consider putting them on any future handguns. The lights you had listed look big and bulky, if you're willing to pay more you can get a good light that slides on your rail and that won't go much farther than the barrel.
Really it all depends on your comfort level and amount of training you have been through. I don't know how things are where you live but here in Arizona we have many gun ranges and a few have tactical courses. See if there are any around that have rentals where you can try out different attachments and see what feels best for you.

 

[Time_Attack]

The light would be more useful in blinding the target than actually seeing it. If you're in your home you're probably going to be able to see someone that doesn't belong by just, oh, I don't know... Hitting the lights? I know we have several night lights and some lights like the small one in the kitchen are on most of the time.

If you go outside to investigate a bump in the night you're probably more apt to grab your shotgun. Maybe you could strap a mag-lite under the barrel?

 

[a6m5]

I have the tritinium night sights on my sig and they're just as bright now as when I first bought it. They work good for me and I would consider putting them on any future handguns. The lights you had listed look big and bulky, if you're willing to pay more you can get a good light that slides on your rail and that won't go much farther than the barrel.
Really it all depends on your comfort level and amount of training you have been through. I don't know how things are where you live but here in Arizona we have many gun ranges and a few have tactical courses. See if there are any around that have rentals where you can try out different attachments and see what feels best for you.

That Trijicon sights are supposedly warrantied for 12 years! I emailed my local gun shop how much they'd charge for installation, and they replied that they don't charge for regular night sights install.

On the lights, I have found million lights that are more compact, but every single one I found uses those CR123 batteries. As long as it doesn't get this bad:

I want to stick with the AA or AAA batteries(sorry I had to lol).

The light would be more useful in blinding the target than actually seeing it. If you're in your home you're probably going to be able to see someone that doesn't belong by just, oh, I don't know... Hitting the lights? I know we have several night lights and some lights like the small one in the kitchen are on most of the time.

If you go outside to investigate a bump in the night you're probably more apt to grab your shotgun. Maybe you could strap a mag-lite under the barrel?

Very true about indoor lighting, but the problem is, very opposite could be true as well. Power outage, not being able to reach the light switch on the wall, etc. Very realistic scenarios.

I do have an AA flashlight(maybe AAA, I forget) with something like 200 lumens. But blinding the threat to me is more like a bonus feature. I'd want the light to light up where I'm aiming.

 

[Time_Attack]

Taking away someone's vision is much more likely to lead to a less-lethal outcome. I do understand your need though. I think the simple solution would just be a regular flash flight in one hand and the handgun in the other.

I watched an interesting video the other day where the commentator suggested having a survival bag and went over what you'd need. A gun and a regular flash light were the top 2. He also has some pretty good reviews on flash lights and guns alike.

 

[a6m5]

Taking away someone's vision is much more likely to lead to a less-lethal outcome. I do understand your need though. I think the simple solution would just be a regular flash flight in one hand and the handgun in the other.

I watched an interesting video the other day where the commentator suggested having a survival bag and went over what you'd need. A gun and a regular flash light were the top 2. He also has some pretty good reviews on flash lights and guns alike.

I don't sleepwalk or anything, but a loaded Glock on the nightstand? With one in the chamber? This guy's crazy.

Having a emergency kit in the car is always a good idea. Not much happen in the area where I live, so it's kind of pointless, but.... I do keep couple of cheap pocket knives(leatherman-type & swiss army-type), emergency blanket, extra coat, things like that in it. I'd love to keep a gun in my car. I can't afford to do that currently, but that would be nice. Maybe I'll keep my .22LR Remington in there.

I've thought about this too:

Like this, right? After finally getting hang on shooting handguns, my concern is the grip. Grip was critical to my shooting accuracy, and I would need a lot of practice before I'd feel confident shooting with the flashlight in my other hand. And of course, at least initially, I'd be tying up use of one of the biggest tool/weapon I have in a self-defense situation: My arm. Even if it becomes ugly & bulky, I'd like to try to attach the darn flashlight to my gun.

 

[sniper338]

Another way is to have your non shooting arm crossed over with the flashlight in that hand, this moves the light farther away from you and helps manage recoil a bit better. But it's all about your comfort level and how it feels for you.
Just to clarify is this light going on a daily carry weapon or in the nightstand for home defense? Adding any accessory to a handgun that is going to be concealed will make it harder to hide, even if you do find a holster that fits.

I don't sleepwalk or anything, but a loaded Glock on the nightstand? With one in the chamber? This guy's crazy.

My Sig always has one ready to go, it's always ready to go in case I need to use it, even when it's in my inside the pants holster (I carry 98% of the time I leave the house). I trust my trigger and feel comfortable with my holster that does it's job and covers the trigger.

 

[Speedy Samurai]

I've thought about this too:

Is that Phil Elmore?

 

[Brett]

You are much better off having a light that attaches to the gun's rail. Holding a flash light in one hand limits your abilities to grip the weapon with both hands and also limits your ability to use the weapon/light combo with one hand if absolutely needed. If it was me, I would get over the AA/AAA battery thing and go with what has become the industry standard. If you were to go with the CR123 and have a light on your shotgun or any other weapons, then they would all share the same battery.

 

[wfooshee]

I visited some cousins last June, and one my cousin's cousins (on the other side of his family) brought along a Taurus Judge. You know, just as a snake gun, since we were in the woods. 5-shot revolver that fires .410 shotgun shells. Barrel is rifled so it's not a smoothbore, thus not an illegal short shotgun. The rifling spreads the shot rather quickly, so it's a close-in gun for sure. Snakes in the woods, or bad guys in the house, this thing gets it done.

Also fires .45 long Colt, with good accuracy out to 100 yards if you're good enough.

Here's a shot of my brother with it into a pond, and a shot of the splash. Lots of action for that range, I think:

 

[a6m5]

I always thought .410's are cool, but I just learned today how .410 & .45 Colt are interchangeable. Saw a Rossi rifle(or shotgun?) that does that in the Walmart ad. Nice pics. 👍

Just to clarify is this light going on a daily carry weapon or in the nightstand for home defense? Adding any accessory to a handgun that is going to be concealed will make it harder to hide, even if you do find a holster that fits.

I keep the gun in the bedroom, inside the factory Glock box. God, it would be nice to carry though.

My Sig always has one ready to go, it's always ready to go in case I need to use it, even when it's in my inside the pants holster (I carry 98% of the time I leave the house). I trust my trigger and feel comfortable with my holster that does it's job and covers the trigger.

Is it a nine?

I can understand carrying the gun that way. Many cops do that, right? It's having the chambered Glock on the nightstand that scares me. As most of us here know, only external safety on Glock's the trigger safety. I just think that leaves too much room for something to go wrong.

Is that Phil Elmore?

Oh, nice to see you too, Speedy!



I don't know who that is, but I did a Google image search, and it sure looks like him.

You are much better off having a light that attaches to the gun's rail. Holding a flash light in one hand limits your abilities to grip the weapon with both hands and also limits your ability to use the weapon/light combo with one hand if absolutely needed. If it was me, I would get over the AA/AAA battery thing and go with what has become the industry standard. If you were to go with the CR123 and have a light on your shotgun or any other weapons, then they would all share the same battery.

It's still under consideration. I can still do high power AA/AAA LED flashlight on the rail(see the second pic on this post). It just wouldn't integrate as neatly.

 

[sniper338]

Is it a nine?

.40 S&W

I can understand carrying the gun that way. Many cops do that, right? It's having the chambered Glock on the nightstand that scares me. As most of us here know, only external safety on Glock's the trigger safety. I just think that leaves too much room for something to go wrong.

All law enforcement carries with one ready to go, pulling back your slide would take too much time in a life and death situation.
Mine never comes out of a holster, you can find a cheap one that will do the trick. having it in there keeps your trigger covered and gives you a piece of mind if you have grab it in the middle of the night.

 

[a6m5]

Right on. 👍 How do you like the .40? How does it compare to 9mm & .45ACP?

 

[Kent]

Right on. 👍 How do you like the .40? How does it compare to 9mm & .45ACP?

40 is great as a duty weapon. Capacity close to a 9 and power close to a 45, its a brilliant blend. However, as a range gun it falls short of either. The feel out of a 40 like the glock 23 is just as harsh if not worse (due to gun) than a 45 (sprngfld 1911) but while taking that hand/wrist abuse you are thinking about how the 45 is probably more practical as a one shot killer. Likewise the 9 carries so many (my sig tacops has 20 in mag) and shoots so smoothly and controlably that a 40 by comparison is too much for practicing plates.

I will only suggest a 40 as a full size sa xd and for people who only want/plan on one pistol. For people like me and the glock 23 its just to fill the 40 void so I have one.

Btw an expensive 1911 based double stack 40 from sti would be a different story Im betting (never had the pleasure but it would easily be a grand or more so thats probably not in my near future).

 

[a6m5]

40 is great as a duty weapon. Capacity close to a 9 and power close to a 45, its a brilliant blend. However, as a range gun it falls short of either. The feel out of a 40 like the glock 23 is just as harsh if not worse (due to gun) than a 45 (sprngfld 1911) but while taking that hand/wrist abuse you are thinking about how the 45 is probably more practical as a one shot killer. Likewise the 9 carries so many (my sig tacops has 20 in mag) and shoots so smoothly and controlably that a 40 by comparison is too much for practicing plates.

I will only suggest a 40 as a full size sa xd and for people who only want/plan on one pistol. For people like me and the glock 23 its just to fill the 40 void so I have one.

Btw an expensive 1911 based double stack 40 from sti would be a different story Im betting (never had the pleasure but it would easily be a grand or more so thats probably not in my near future).

Interesting. I think jswilli1's wife had some kind of .40? I think from his post, I might've assumed that it's a soft shooter(all he said I think was 'fun').

How do you like Sigs? Are they better shooter than Glocks?

 

[AndersonG22]

Ive only shot 400 rounds with pistols, both guns were .40 G22's. I was able to get some pretty tight 5 shot groups for a noob at 21'.

 

[Kent]

Interesting. I think jswilli1's wife had some kind of .40? I think from his post, I might've assumed that it's a soft shooter(all he said I think was 'fun').

How do you like Sigs? Are they better shooter than Glocks?

I cant say with any graet cartainty because my sig is the tacops with beavertail frame and mag well. Those features have gotta make a difference. However, the action is very smooth and the trigger is an ideal 2 stage where firing is well anticipated but reasonably deep compared to initial trigger contact. The trigger take-up is what ou would expect from a two stage trigger.

 

[sniper338]

Right on. 👍 How do you like the .40? How does it compare to 9mm & .45ACP?

I'm a big fan of the .40, it has more stopping power than a 9mm and if I ever have to use it I want to stop my target. The recoil is a bit more than a 9mm but I'm decent sized and been shooting for a while so it doesn't bother me.

Interesting. How do you like Sigs? Are they better shooter than Glocks?

I love Sigs, they're reliable and feels good in my hands. But that's just my opinion, you ask 5 other people and you'll get 5 other opinions. It's all about how it feels in your hands.

 

[Michael88]

Anybody here who shoots traditional muzzleloaders? I shoot a .54 caliber Hawken GPR, loaded with a 300 grain lead conical and 75 grains of FFFG swiss blackpowder it shoots palm-sized groups at 100yds. Recoil is quite strong, like 308 out of a lightweight rifle.
Too bad that muzzleloaders are considered to be antique and ineffective firearms, once you have the right equipment and know how to operate them they're fast and extremely powerful weapons. And they're way more fun than any of my modern rifles.

 

[Time_Attack]

They should put a muzzle loader in the next call of duty. It'd be the ultimate quick scoping weapon.... Right? One shot kill to the toe nail but it takes 30 seconds to reload.

 

[Michael88]

They should put a muzzle loader in the next call of duty. It'd be the ultimate quick scoping weapon.... Right? One shot kill to the toe nail but it takes 30 seconds to reload.

One thing's for sure, it would be way more rewarding and fun!
I get what you're implying, muzzleloaders are not easy to operate and it takes quite a while to reload them - which is absolutely true. If I was in a firefight and had to defend my life I'd OF COURSE use my modern rifles. Duh.

Though once you get the hang of it it doesn't take you more than ten seconds to reload them (percussion=), and hitting somebody with a 300 grain heavy soft lead slug that is traveling at 1650 fp/s puts them out of a fight, even a less than ideal hit.

 

[Time_Attack]

It'd probably take their arm off.

 

[Michael88]

It'd probably take their arm off.

Indeed, according to old war reports I read some time ago the bigger rifle/musket calibers like .54, .58 and .69 took off arms and legs.

The reason for the extreme stopping power is the heavy bullet weight and the soft (pure) lead, it really expands in the target especially when it hits bones. Once I recovered a conical from the bullet backstop (earth), the 300 grain conical fried from 50yds was squished completely flat and expanded to about 1''.

 

[Time_Attack]

Similar to if a barret .50 was firing slugs.

 

[a6m5]

Thanks for the input on .40's & Sig's. Just couple more questions.

Would you guys say that Sig's operate smoother?

One of the things I love about Glocks are simplicity. What's Sig's like in that department? Also how reliable?

Too bad that muzzleloaders are considered to be antique and ineffective firearms

If I was in a firefight and had to defend my life I'd OF COURSE use my modern rifles. Duh.

I'm just teasing. They do seem like a fun hobby, but different animal all together.