Real Guns

[sniper338]

Thanks for the input on .40's & Sig's. Just couple more questions.

Would you guys say that Sig's operate smoother?

One of the things I love about Glocks are simplicity. What's Sig's like in that department? Also how reliable?

I would say they both operate smoothly. Both breakdown to a frame, slide and barrel so both guns themselves function the same. The only difference you will notice between the two are the triggers.

On a side note a Glock is one of the most reliable handguns out there. I've heard stores where thousands of rounds were fired through the gun with cleaning with no problems.

 

[Kent]

Glock passes torture tests all the time, I just dont like the feel as much as I do for my sig or most xd pistols.

 

[CrashBandicoot]

I want this beast. A Sawed Off Double Barrel Shotgun.

 

[rocko100]

Why Sawed off?

 

[CrashBandicoot]

Why Sawed off?

More portable then a traditional shotgun.

 

[Jedi2016]

Which is why they're illegal in most places.

 

[CrashBandicoot]

Which is why they're illegal in most places.

Yep. Thats the problem. Yon can have one, but it minimum lenght for the barrel is 18 Inches (Correct me if I'm wrong) in the United States.

 

[a6m5]

It's only illegal if you get caught.



It looks awesome, but isn't it damn near pointless? And I'd hate to shoot a 12 gauge one handed.

I have also read that legal minimum for barrel is 18 inches, and that they are often manufactured to 18.5" from factory. My Remington Tactical is 18.5". Never measured it, but I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere!

P.S. I can't remember if I shared this with you guys, but the "law" scared me off of this purchase:

You can buy this nifty stock for Glocks, I think for mere $100. Improves accuracy, another toy for my go-to-gun. Problem is, with the addition of this stock to a handgun, Federal Government says that now your pistol is a short barrel rifle. According to my online research, you have to fill out a form, big brother put you on a list, but most importantly, they charge you few hundred bucks for the process while making you wait for weeks to maybe even months.

I understand, but I don't. I guess the Government missing commonsense by a mile is nothing new. Oh, well.

I would say they both operate smoothly. Both breakdown to a frame, slide and barrel so both guns themselves function the same. The only difference you will notice between the two are the triggers.

On a side note a Glock is one of the most reliable handguns out there. I've heard stores where thousands of rounds were fired through the gun with cleaning with no problems.

Glock passes torture tests all the time, I just dont like the feel as much as I do for my sig or most xd pistols.

Well, because of those torture tests, perhaps asking particular gun's reliability in comparison to Glock wasn't a good idea. But by you two's replies, I get the impression that Sig's are also very reliable guns.

I just asked about the smoothness, because while I have no trouble with my Glock's trigger, I do wish it was just a tad lighter. I realize it can remedied fairly easily with a lighter trigger system. I was just wondering how it compared to Sigs.

 

[sniper338]

Why Sawed off?

Portability and the shorter barrel gives a wider shot pattern.

Yep. Thats the problem. Yon can have one, but it minimum lenght for the barrel is 18 Inches (Correct me if I'm wrong) in the United States.

Yes the minimum length for a shotgun barrel is 18 inches, you can thank the National Firearms act of 1934 for that load of baloney.

It's only illegal if you get caught.



It looks awesome, but isn't it damn near pointless? And I'd hate to shoot a 12 gauge one handed.

You can legally own a shotgun with a barrel that's less than 18 inches long. You just have to fill out the paperwork and send in $200 for the tax stamp.

I just asked about the smoothness, because while I have no trouble with my Glock's trigger, I do wish it was just a tad lighter. I realize it can remedied fairly easily with a lighter trigger system. I was just wondering how it compared to Sigs.

A trigger is just a few springs, the weight required to activate the firing pin depends on the length of the spring. Any gunsmith can install a new trigger kit to make your squeeze lighter or heavier. You should have no trouble finding something that suits your needs with a gun as popular as a Glock.

Well, because of those torture tests, perhaps asking particular gun's reliability in comparison to Glock wasn't a good idea. But by you two's replies, I get the impression that Sig's are also very reliable guns.

Sig Sauer makes a very reliable gun, of the thousands of rounds fired through mine I have only had one jam, and I'm pretty sure that was from using dirty ammo.

P.S. I can't remember if I shared this with you guys, but the "law" scared me off of this purchase:

That's good! The penalty for possession of a class 3 weapon (short barrel rifle, automatic weapon ect. ) is 10 years in prison if you don't have the stamp!

 

[Omnis]

Shotguns without a stock are stupid. That sawed off would more likely hit you in the face than it would hit your target.

 

[sniper338]

Shotguns without a stock are stupid. That sawed off would more likely hit you in the face than it would hit your target.

Have you ever seen the movie El Dorado? It's an old western with John Wayne, one of the guys he's with has a short shotgun that looks like the one in the picture. He shoots that thing like a champ!

But yes I agree with you, a shotgun without a stock is just a Hollywood thing that's supposed to look cool. I've never fired any of my shotgun from the hip but I can't imagine it would work too well!

 

[Brett]

I have fired a 20 gauge shotgun without a stock at a range. The paper target was 20 feet away and had a very bad day after two shells.

 

[Kent]

So not to be that guy but... If the majority of encounters with firearms used in self defense being in extremely close proximity I dont see many draw backs to a sawed off shot gun besides the legal issues and number of shots before reloading. Under the right conditions the whip-it is a very valuable gun.
And for reference, 12 guage one handed really isnt that bad, its not good but it can be done without too much pain (not repeatedly though). My last one handed 12g shot was off a riotgun with the stock folded in and Id say the weight of the gun was far more annoying than the recoil.

And yes, sigs are great guns.

 

[Michael88]

What about a 20 Gauge / 45-70 derringer? Now that thing must HURT! And its pretty useless too.

 

[CrashBandicoot]

What about a 20 Gauge / 45-70 derringer? Now that thing must HURT! And its pretty useless too.

If they added some kind of cylinder to hold the bullets like a revolver, now were talking useful.

 

[CrashBandicoot]

This may seem to be off topic, but I wished they massed produced The Ray Gun from Black Ops.

 

[wfooshee]

If they added some kind of cylinder to hold the bullets like a revolver, now were talking useful.

See, back on the last page, I posted the Taurus Judge . . . . . .

5-shot .410/.45 colt revolver.

 

[Jedi2016]

What about a 20 Gauge / 45-70 derringer? Now that thing must HURT! And its pretty useless too.

Well, you'd get one good shot, and then the gun would rip itself out of your hand. I've shot .45 Colt in a revolver, no way you could hold onto that thing with that kind of kick.

 

[RTSolvalou]

The US should consider itself lucky to have such appropriate firearms laws (and I think Canada has similar?), In my country (australia...) the vibe is that you'd get arrested just for looking up a picture of a gun . There's certainly a sense of needing to be 'brought in by a friend' in the firearm enthusiast/club scene here, to be a random person interested in guns is a bit of an eyebrow raiser due to the extremely restricted firearms laws here making them seem like they haven't even been invented yet, they're not a familiar 'item', thus all of my firearm knowledge comes from whatever I happen to look up on the internet and from games/films.

Myself, I'm not into the glock-like handguns, to me, revolvers and clip-loaded handguns are like steam engines and diesels, I find diesels boring, and so to the glockalikes, but the odd few do have something about them, a certain uniqueness, like the HK 23 with the laser attachment.
Revolvers are almost always nice, except when the barrel is shorter then the handle, I think that robs a revolver of it's majest. I quite like the Colt line.

I figure you guys hate michael moore, but I mention him since I had to watch one of his documentary things back in school and one thing I'll never forget is when he went to the hairdressers, there he was getting his hair cut, with a shotgun on his lap as he loaded it (or polished it, I'm pretty sure he was loading it from memory though), priceless but I guess things like that are somewhat normal in the US (depending on state).

So yeah, bit of a long post, but that's some backstory on australia, me and what steel takes my interest, I've only been to a firing range once a long time ago and fired something that from memory looked like a Luger, but I'll probably start going to one regularly soon.

 

[CMvan46]

RTS Canada isn't so friendly with gun laws either.

Hunting is pretty much the only reason anybody here has one and I can almost single handedly count the number of people I know who own one (in Canada).

I have a small bit of family in California and everyone of them has atleast one :lol

 

[BrutherSuperior]

I figure you guys hate michael moore, but I mention him since I had to watch one of his documentary things back in school and one thing I'll never forget is when he went to the hairdressers, there he was getting his hair cut, with a shotgun on his lap as he loaded it (or polished it, I'm pretty sure he was loading it from memory though), priceless but I guess things like that are somewhat normal in the US (depending on state).

Not at all.

Michael Moore makes films, not documentaries and if you were to sit in a public place, like a barber's shop, and load your weapon while getting your hair cut you'd be arrested for brandishing a firearm & assault as it is threatening. It's legal to carry concealed in most places, it's even legal to openly carry in some, however you cannot unholster your firearm without it being in violation of some laws. The act of removing a firearm from your waist while in a public place and placing it on a table can be seen as a threatening when in fact you're just trying to get comfy.

You can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon and/or brandishing a firearm for that act alone.

Michael Moore, under law, had to obtain a permit to film such a scene in addition to using a non-functioning weapon or ammunition. There are many-many regulations to filming with weapons & explosives and failure to adhere to such laws can, and often does, lead to stiff penalties.

 

[Kent]

Keep in mind that moore does everything he can to present what he wants and not necessarily the truth. Sure, people who call him on it get trouble but in the end reasonably people still consider him to be a movie maker and not a documentry maker.

I think thats why kids get it force fed in school and not left to their own decision as adults but that could be saying a bit too much.

 

[RTSolvalou]

Thanks for the insight/correction.
At school we didn't see (columb) it in a serious sense, it was just a 'for instance' film they threw into our school time because we'd done all we needed to do for that part of the year, it was non-curricular.

 

[Icarus25]

I've been looking and looking and today I finally found an FNX to handle. It was the .40 and not the 9mm that I really want, but the specs are identical except weight. It felt fantastic in the hand save for the super aggressive textured backstrap which thankfully can be changed. The mag release, safety/decocker, and slide release were all within easy reach. The only thing I had issues with was the slide release, which was pretty stiff and required a slight grip adjustment to press it. I'm sure it would loosen up over time, or I could get around it by just racking the slide. I love the exposed hammer as well. I went through a couple dry fires racking the slide and a couple pulling back on the hammer, and some flicks of the decocker. The trigger was butter. I felt a nice even tension all the way through the take-up, with a crisp break at the firing point. I'm completely sold, now I just have to decide between the FNP which has a decocker but no safety and might be $50-100 cheaper or more, or go with the newer FNX which is fully ambi with safety.

 

[Krog]

I recently took a trip to the range and played around with a .38special single-action (pull hammer after each shot, for that cowboy feel) revolver.

 

[a6m5]

I'm always told that .38's wimpy, but I sure like them, if they are smaller, older & single/double action.

I've been looking and looking and today I finally found an FNX to handle. It was the .40 and not the 9mm that I really want, but the specs are identical except weight. It felt fantastic in the hand save for the super aggressive textured backstrap which thankfully can be changed. The mag release, safety/decocker, and slide release were all within easy reach. The only thing I had issues with was the slide release, which was pretty stiff and required a slight grip adjustment to press it. I'm sure it would loosen up over time, or I could get around it by just racking the slide. I love the exposed hammer as well. I went through a couple dry fires racking the slide and a couple pulling back on the hammer, and some flicks of the decocker. The trigger was butter. I felt a nice even tension all the way through the take-up, with a crisp break at the firing point. I'm completely sold, now I just have to decide between the FNP which has a decocker but no safety and might be $50-100 cheaper or more, or go with the newer FNX which is fully ambi with safety.

Some fine looking guns. 👍 That JCP FNP thing is styled straight out of CoD(which makes me drool, of course!).

 

[Brett]

I have thought of looking into a FN FNP. Every review I have read or watched mentioned FN took many of design features for the FNP from the SIG P226, which is a pistol I really like.

 

[Icarus25]

It seems to be a quality firearm at an affordable price, and another option in the $500 range with Glock/S&W/Ruger. Made in America. Plus, brand new they come with 3 mags which is nice.

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, you should buy the 3rd mag anyway, and it's worth probably around 25-ish dollars?

I was also thinking it looked like a Sig. I wonder how durable & reliable they are, especially down the line.

 

[Icarus25]

I would probably say they're on par with the other manufacturers in the range, aside from Glock which is legendary for the torture they can handle. I've read they're a bit below Sig in terms of trigger feel and fit and finish, but they're solid reliability wise and about $200 cheaper than something like the P226. FN know their stuff, you don't need to look far past the P90, SCAR, and FAL. They're just not as well known as the others which helps them, but hurts them a little bit. They set out to make firearms for military/law enforcement, so I would expect reliability that fit that. They've lost some ground in favor of striker-fired designs like Glock and the S&W M&P line, but they've still got 100+ years in the firearms business.

Jeez, I sound like a corporate salesman.