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[Blood Eagle]

What information exactly are they storing?

Unsure as of yet but speculation is quantities, caliber, frequency of purchase etc. Seemingly trivial things but who decides how much you can have? If a certain caliber ended up banned, they'd have a list of known purchasers and quantities. It will be a brand new gun owner database.

 

[Obelisk]

Unsure as of yet but speculation is quantities, caliber, frequency of purchase etc. Seemingly trivial things but who decides how much you can have? If a certain caliber ended up banned, they'd have a list of known purchasers and quantities. It will be a brand new gun owner database.

It'd also catch out those stockpiling ammo for good and bad reasons.

 

[Barracuda413]

"Stockpiling"
Next thing you know 100 rounds will be "stockpiling"
Then we will have talk about a "stockpiling" ban

 

[Blood Eagle]

"Stockpiling"
Next thing you know 100 rounds will be "stockpiling"
Then we will have talk about a "stockpiling" ban

Exactly. Many non shooters don't realize you can go through 100 rounds in an hour or less. Just 100 sounds like a lot with no real experience or logic. That's next and CA people would eat that up.

 

[Michael88]

Sounds like starting to acquire the ability to reload ammunition would be a wise idea, even when it won't come to quantity related ammo bans. (would be a really hard law to enforce)
Possessing the ability and equipment to make your own ammo is a useful thing to have.

Oh, and by the way, I just got an e-mail that my shotgun has been shipped, I'm eagerly awaiting its arrival. I just hope it looks as good as in the pictures.

 

[Swagger897]

So as far as tracking, how would the state do so? Via payment or ID? I'd get into reloading if it were ID.... (already do but for the instance)

 

[Blood Eagle]

So as far as tracking, how would the state do so? Via payment or ID? I'd get into reloading if it were ID.... (already do but for the instance)

This proposition requires DOJ approval to buy. I'm assuming there is some paperwork required to buy and ID. Then they probably attach your name, ID number and the lot number off of the ammunition. That would be my guess.

 

[Swagger897]

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[Obelisk]

I have a legitimate gun question:

With all of this chaos breaking out nation-wide, I've deemed it necessary to get a carry license and a handgun.

Can I get some recommendations for good handguns to have? Past experience has pointed me to .38 special revolvers, .45 1911s and possibly .357s. I need to know if there are other good guns with immediate stopping power.

 

[David]

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[Obelisk]

I'd say you should prioritize guns that you can easily and comfortably conceal. Get something that you will actually want to carry every day. That's usually not a 1911, but I suppose it could be a snubby .357. I would highly recommend taking a look at guns like the S&W Shield, Glock 43, and Ruger LC9. A quality 9mm hollow point is plenty effective and these guns are a nice balance between weight/size and power. The Shield comes in 40 and 45 as well if you insist.

I really don't like Glocks, to be fair. They handle poorly for me. Last time I shot a S&W .40, it stove piped. I'll take a look though, thanks!

 

[Brett]

I have a legitimate gun question:

With all of this chaos breaking out nation-wide, I've deemed it necessary to get a carry license and a handgun.

Can I get some recommendations for good handguns to have? Past experience has pointed me to .38 special revolvers, .45 1911s and possibly .357s. I need to know if there are other good guns with immediate stopping power.

If you want immediate stopping power, then you are looking in the wrong place with pistols. Pistols are a means to get to a more proper fighting weapon or as a temporary self defense measure due to the convenience of the size. Shot placement and volume is more important with pistols. That is going to make training often a priority. Skills deteriorate with neglect.

I lean towards a striker fired 9mm pistol. The recoil is going to be less. More ammunition can be easily carried. Modern, quality 9mm hollow points can be very effective. It is also more cost effective to train often with 9mm due to ammunition being less expensive.

Ultimately, it boils down to what the user is going to be most comfortable carrying and training with often.

I'd say you should prioritize guns that you can easily and comfortably conceal. Get something that you will actually want to carry every day. That's usually not a 1911, but I suppose it could be a snubby .357. I would highly recommend taking a look at guns like the S&W Shield, Glock 43, and Ruger LC9. A quality 9mm hollow point is plenty effective and these guns are a nice balance between weight/size and power. The Shield comes in 40 and 45 as well if you insist.

Good advice! 👍

I really don't like Glocks, to be fair. They handle poorly for me. Last time I shot a S&W .40, it stove piped. I'll take a look though, thanks!

I do not care for Glocks either, but the Glock 43 is different. Since it is a single stack, the frame and grip are not as unwieldy.

 

[Obelisk]

If you want immediate stopping power, then you are looking in the wrong place with pistols. Pistols are a means to get to a more proper fighting weapon or as a temporary self defense measure due to the convenience of the size. Shot placement and volume is more important with pistols. That is going to make training often a priority. Skills deteriorate with neglect.

I lean towards a striker fired 9mm pistol. The recoil is going to be less. More ammunition can be easily carried. Modern, quality 9mm hollow points can be very effective. It is also more cost effective to train often with 9mm due to ammunition being less expensive.

Ultimately, it boils down to what the user is going to be most comfortable carrying and training with often.

Thanks for the feedback. Any good 9mms I can use? The first thing I thought of is the Beretta 92.

 

[Barracuda413]

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[Barracuda413]

Deleted, and thread marked unwatched OK?
I am out of here

 

[Obelisk]

Please try not to double post.

Nice Luger, by the way!

I'm looking at that Glock 43 right now and it looks pretty good, although I'm seeing other 9mm pistols pop up in the articles because of price points.

 

[Brett]

Thanks for the feedback. Any good 9mms I can use? The first thing I thought of is the Beretta 92.

Unless you are going to open carry, the Beretta 92 is going to be unwieldy. The general consensus choice is a Glock 19. It is going to be larger than something like the Glock 43, S&W Shield, or any other single stack 9mm pistol. Compared to the single stack 9mm pistols, the Glock 19 will generally have more ammunition available while carried and be easier to shoot due to the larger size, at the cost of being less concealable.

However, I tend to shy away from suggesting the Glock 19, as the frame to be a hair too large and a bit uncomfortable in my hand. I am biased in this suggestion--I own both--but a Walther PPQ or H&K VP9. Another to consider is the CZ 75 line.

Please try not to double post.

Nice Luger, by the way!

I'm looking at that Glock 43 right now and it looks pretty good, although I'm seeing other 9mm pistols pop up in the articles because of price points.

The Glock 43 is a great example of the current run of single stack 9mm pistols. I do not think you would go wrong with one. The choice in that size category mostly comes down to user preference, as most manufacturer's make a pretty good pistol these days.

 

[a6m5]

@Obelisk I like the .45ACP for the diameter, but I do think 9mm is much, much preferred round.

To me, the most important advice here is to study the gun/self-defense laws very carefully. I'm of the impression that when firearms are used in defense, even if 100% justified in our minds, there's a great chance of the gun owner getting in trouble by the legal nitpicking and/or politics.

In Portland riot(Oregon), Police mostly just watched while rioters bully people & destroy properties, so I do share your sentiments.

 

[Obelisk]

@a6m5 thanks for letting me know that.

As of right now, I've narrowed my list down a few different pistols/revolvers.

• Glock 43 (9mm)
• SIG P229 (.357 SIG)
• Any revolver with at least a 4" barrel (up to .357)

Thank you guys for giving me tips and suggestions. I'll take it on my shoulders from here on out and let you guys know what I end up getting.

 

[Blood Eagle]

• Any revolver with at least a 4" barrel (up to .357)

.357 gets my vote. Interesting note as we were talking about multi-caliber guns a few days ago, you can shoot both .38 Special and .357 Magnum out of something chambered in .357 Magnum. But can't shoot .357 Magnum out of something chambered in .38 Special. It works good for training with the gun for familiarity and cost effectiveness since .38 Special is cheaper than .357 Magnum. Use .357 Magnum for the actual carry round for a little more insurance.

 

[a6m5]

That's funny @Obelisk discounted .40 S&W Glock right away, because I was just reading the posts on here again & I think I still have a crush on Glock 23. Probably too big for carry, but it's a good looking gun & I'm still somewhat interested in .40 S&W. About stove piping: My Glock 17 did that couple times, but I think it was maybe a wear-in type thing? That thing never jammed except for that.

My USP never malfunctioned, not once.... but it blew up.

 

[Obelisk]

That's funny @Obelisk discounted .40 S&W Glock right away, because I was just reading the posts on here again & I think I still have a crush on Glock 23. Probably too big for carry, but it's a good looking gun & I'm still somewhat interested in .40 S&W. About stove piping: My Glock 17 did that couple times, but I think it was maybe a wear-in type thing? That thing never jammed except for that.

My USP never malfunctioned, not once.... but it blew up.

How did that thing blow up?

The .40 I used was a Smith and Wesson .40 something or other. That gun was too light for its caliber which led me to holding it wrong and causing the stovepipe. I know for a fact that Glocks are light so it just led to discounting it because of past experiences at the range.

 

[a6m5]

How did that thing blow up?

It starts here. It's a good story.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

899 MSRP, so should be like 750ish street.

Where the hell do you buy guns, cause I find them only slightly lower, at the same price or more.

 

[a6m5]

Where the hell do you buy guns, cause I find them only slightly lower, at the same price or more.

Speculation your honor.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Speculation your honor.

What do you mean?

 

[a6m5]

What do you mean?

Sorry. He was just guessing.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Sorry. He was just guessing.

Yes but guessing is based on some kind of knowledge or past experience. Which is why I asked the question.

 

[a6m5]

Yes but guessing is based on some kind of knowledge or past experience. Which is why I asked the question.

I thought it was a good guess. Firearms I've shopped for or researched in the past, MSRP/List prices were always high. Often times, I found both the local & online prices to be much lower, sometimes by couple hundred or more.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I thought it was a good guess. Firearms I've shopped for or researched in the past, MSRP/List prices were always high. Often times, I found both the local & online prices to be much lower, sometimes by couple hundred or more.

I've never been that lucky unless it's a smaller shop and I've known the owners personally.