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[a6m5]

@ a6m5

Just curious, have you thought about getting an FN-FAL rifle? A good FAL costs exactly as much as the gunsite scout, it comes with equally good open sights, a 20 round magazine, its very accurate, too. And its in .308.
I don't own one but was allowed to shoot one back in my service time, what a superb rifle, one heavy piece of metal to hump around but the amazing thing was the recoil - it didn't have any! Its shot 7.62x51 but the sights hardly jumped off the target during firing, very quick double and triple-taps were possible, the action absorbed all the recoil.
Accuracy was good too, made 50mm groups at 100yrds with open sights, its very easy to scope one so 30mm groups should be possible. One badass rifle.

I'm just telling you this because you shouldn't get lost in details, there are many other good rifles out there, not just the gunsite.

Another point is, who knows how long these rifles are available, maybe there will be another assault rifle ban? Better get one now.

You could build something as evil looking as this:

The FAL is currently made in the US by DSA. Their commercial:

^I can only echo what you said. I shot the FAL with iron sights @ 100m a few days ago and was pretty surpriced. About ~100mm groups which I don't think is too bad considering I don't shoot a lot at all. Would've been a bit better if I didn't put up my cards so close to eachother lol, missed a bit of contrast.

FAL was one of the rifles under consideration, right before my focus shifted toward bolt-action. The deal breaker was the price and availability. Ruger Gunsite Scout goes for around $750 in the States. While there are FAL's for less than that, if you can find it, there are a lot of question marks regarding the overall quality with the manufacturer rebuilding them with whatever available parts.

I had never heard of this DSA, and their FALs looks awesome. Unfortunately, their MSRP is ranging from $1700 to over $4000, so they are out.

Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle's the front runner in my search, but I haven't stopped looking around. I haven't ruled out the assault rifles either. Not completely. I most definitely appreciate the input, and if other rifles pops up in your head for suggestion, I'd like to hear about them, too.

List of qualifications:

• Under $1,000
• Reliability
• Accuracy(AK47's out )
• Availability
• Parts/accessory availability
• Ammunition availability(& affordability )

 

[Time_Attack]

An AK74 with an optic would be just as accurate as an average AR15 I think.

 

[a6m5]

An AK74 with an optic would be just as accurate as an average AR15 I think.

I wouldn't be completely opposed to AR15 with a scope, but compared to something like the Ruger GSR, it would be lacking range, accuracy, power and reliability. I really want a .308 or .30-06 this time around. The range. The accuracy.

 

[Solid Lifters]

FAL was one of the rifles under consideration, right before my focus shifted toward bolt-action. The deal breaker was the price and availability. Ruger Gunsite Scout goes for around $750 in the States. While there are FAL's for less than that, if you can find it, there are a lot of question marks regarding the overall quality with the manufacturer rebuilding them with whatever available parts.

I had never heard of this DSA, and their FALs looks awesome. Unfortunately, their MSRP is ranging from $1700 to over $4000, so they are out.

Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle's the front runner in my search, but I haven't stopped looking around. I haven't ruled out the assault rifles either. Not completely. I most definitely appreciate the input, and if other rifles pops up in your head for suggestion, I'd like to hear about them, too.

List of qualifications:

• Under $1,000
• Reliability
• Accuracy(AK47's out )
• Availability
• Parts/accessory availability

I spent around $8k for my precision rifle, so they can be expensive, too. You better save up.

 

[a6m5]

I spent around $8k for my precision rifle, so they can be expensive, too. You better save up.

Oh, they sure can be. 👍

 

[Terronium-12]

Oh, why have I not seen this thread before? I'm much more likely to get my question answered here than where I originally asked:

Why is the strap for an AK-47 mounted on the bottom as opposed to the top?

 

[Time_Attack]

The .223/5.56 is certainly a close range caliber. Its extremely devastating at close range. Not so much at long range. Have you seen the pics of the guy that got his leg shot off at close range by an M16? The bullet missed his bone but the kinetic force shattered it as it ripped through his flesh.

Anyway, you want range though, How about something in .338 Lapua? Currently holds the record for longest confirmed kill at 2,475 meters.

 

[a6m5]

Oh, why have I not seen this thread before? I'm much more likely to get my question answered here than where I originally asked:

Why is the strap for an AK-47 mounted on the bottom as opposed to the top?

I thought most slings attached on the bottom.

The .223/5.56 is certainly a close range caliber. Its extremely devastating at close range. Not so much at long range. Have you seen the pics of the guy that got his leg shot off at close range by an M16? The bullet missed his bone but the kinetic force shattered it as it ripped through his flesh.

Anyway, you want range though, How about something in .338 Lapua? Currently holds the record for longest confirmed kill at 2,475 meters.

I had never heard of .338. The rifles seems to be in the price range, but ammo's are kind of spendy. I added availability & pricing of ammo to the qualification list.

Edit: Oh, and you are couple of pages late on the .223 discussion. We all saw the pictures.

 

[Brett]

Anyway, you want range though, How about something in .338 Lapua? Currently holds the record for longest confirmed kill at 2,475 meters.

Not just one kill at that range, but two.

I had never heard of .338. The rifles seems to be in the price range, but ammo's are kind of spendy. I added availability & pricing of ammo to the qualification list.

Look up .338 Lapua Magnum.

 

[a6m5]

Look up .338 Lapua Magnum.

$$$$I did$$$$

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

Oh, why have I not seen this thread before? I'm much more likely to get my question answered here than where I originally asked:

Why is the strap for an AK-47 mounted on the bottom as opposed to the top?

As far as I know there is no real reason, just that it is. The sling and mounts are out of the way but can still do the job they were intended for. The position really isn't that different to the side mount.

 

[Time_Attack]

I think for you A6 an AK74 would do well. You get the rugged reliability of an AK platform with the cheaper high velocity 5.45x39 round. Have you looked at Arsenal AKs?

 

[a6m5]

I think for you A6 an AK74 would do well. You get the rugged reliability of an AK platform with the cheaper high velocity 5.45x39 round. Have you looked at Arsenal AKs?

I just checked them out, and oh my god, they are some of the best looking stock AK's I've ever seen. However, it comes down to accuracy again. Longer the range, with most assault rifles, it's keep on shooting until you hit the target. With a longer range rifle like the Ruger I'm looking at, the job is done with one shot, maybe two. After spending that one morning at the 200 yard range, I was sold. It is amazing to punch a hole in a target so small to a naked eye, and from so far away.

 

[Solid Lifters]

As far as I know there is no real reason, just that it is. The sling and mounts are out of the way but can still do the job they were intended for. The position really isn't that different to the side mount.

It's for mounting optics.

 

[MrDIABLO876]

You are lucky!

 

[Time_Attack]

Get an AK with a forged/milled receiver. Most AKs have a stamped receiver which hurts accuracy.

 

[Terronium-12]

Thanks for the answers guys!

 

[a6m5]

Get an AK with a forged/milled receiver. Most AKs have a stamped receiver which hurts accuracy.

Wouldn't that be like lowering your Civic?

I did a quick search, and there are .308 AK's out there. I'll see if I can find any reviews. 👍

 

[Time_Attack]

I don't get your joke. But yeah you can get just about anything in whatever caliber you want. Maybe you'd like a .50 cal AR15?

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

It's for mounting optics.

I'm sorry, I don't understand. I don't think i've ever seen a gun where the sling mounts or sling might obstruct/prevent use of optics. Could you explain a little further?

I know the older AK variants use side-mount optics, but I still can't see an issue that might be caused by the position of sling mounts/the sling.

 

[a6m5]

I don't get your joke.

The gun was not built for accuracy. You can buy a AK, make it accurate, try to shoot it accurately. Or you can just buy a gun that is accurate out of the box.

 

[Time_Attack]

Whatever bro. Rugers are cool.

 

[a6m5]

Whatever bro. Rugers are cool.

I'm still not opposed to it. Assault rifles still pwns at closer range, even if it's not full-auto. I also would love to have the ability to get the second shot in without cocking.
Edit:

Un. Real.

 

[Solid Lifters]

I'm sorry, I don't understand. I don't think i've ever seen a gun where the sling mounts or sling might obstruct/prevent use of optics. Could you explain a little further?

I know the older AK variants use side-mount optics, but I still can't see an issue that might be caused by the position of sling mounts/the sling.

When the weapon is slung over your sholder with a side-mounted strap, the optics can rest against your body. The windage and elevation knobs can be moved around, screwing up your zero setting.

 

[Time_Attack]

Is that old white guy the one from the history channel? The video doesn't make much sense to me. I know who Kyle is but it wasn't really that funny.

 

[a6m5]

Is that old white guy the one from the history channel? The video doesn't make much sense to me. I know who Kyle is but it wasn't really that funny.

They are well known gun guys on youtube. Here's another one from the same event:



The old dude, hickok45 makes some fun videos. I know Michael88 likes his videos, too.

 

[Brett]

I also enjoy hickok45's videos. He does a lot of shooting.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

When the weapon is slung over your sholder with a side-mounted strap, the optics can rest against your body. The windage and elevation knobs can be moved around, screwing up your zero setting.

Ahh, quite obvious really! Thankyou.

 

[Michael88]

FAL was one of the rifles under consideration, right before my focus shifted toward bolt-action. The deal breaker was the price and availability. Ruger Gunsite Scout goes for around $750 in the States. While there are FAL's for less than that, if you can find it, there are a lot of question marks regarding the overall quality with the manufacturer rebuilding them with whatever available parts.

Oh I didn't realize they were this expensive, 1700 bucks min. whoops! - Worth the money though, they're simply the best auto loading rifles in .308 available, as reliable and sturdy as a bolt action rifle, almost as accurate and 20 in the tank.
Yes I know that building a FAL from surplus parts can be tricky, you could build one out of Brazilian IMBEL parts, they have a great reputation. One of the most important things is the loading ramp of the receiver to the chamber, it needs a ''widows peak'', thats a small metal hump on the ramp that helps to guide the round into the chamber and makes feeding MUCH more reliable. Some receivers don't have them.

But thats definitely not something a newb should start with, projects like that can easily end in tears.

I still think the Ruger Scout is your best bet as a first rifle. Plus a simple good quality scope.

Oh and if you haven't ruled out surplus rifles you could also try one of these, thats an Spanish Mauser FR8, chambered in .308, with flash hider, chrome lined barrel, aperture sights (the same as the gunsite Scout), sturdy as a tank and accepts the CETME bayonet. Same size as the scout.
Runs for 250-350, very accurate, great little rifle and lots of bang for the buck. Usually available in very good condition.

 

[a6m5]

I doubt I'll ever encounter one, but I was reading up on it on Wikipedia, and read about this pretty cool little feature. Little compartment for cleaning kit!