Real Guns

[a6m5]

I think there is little doubt that their eventual goal is to take away firearms from the American people. They are well aware that the people will not give up their right to bare arms, so instead, they will chip away, little by little, until all you have left are b.b. guns.

Then they'll take those away, too.

 

[Michael88]

Just finished the stock for my custom rifle project. Inletting was one hell of a chore, the finishing was fun though. :>

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

That is beautiful, the shaping on the butt looks superb.

 

[Michael88]

Thanks!
That's a so called ''Monte Carlo'' cheek rest, fitted correctly to the individual shooter and the height of the sights it helps a great deal with aiming and sight alignment.

 

[Takumi Fujiwara]

I think there is little doubt that their eventual goal is to take away firearms from the American people. They are well aware that the people will not give up their right to bare arms, so instead, they will chip away, little by little, until all you have left are b.b. guns.

Then they'll take those away, too.

There's no grand strategy or overarching plan involved, and most people involved in anti-gun legislation will make it pretty clear that they have no interest in a complete ban. The people writing the laws are just being reactionary and the people supporting them generally have no clue what the law actually says. Here in CA, the vast majority of AWB ban supporters think that it's keeping "machine guns" out of the hands of criminals, and when I've explained what the law actually said, they immediately agreed that it was stupid. In this case they're just trying to block loopholes, and while I think it's a stupid law as well, what they're doing doesn't change much except to block a few ways of circumventing the law.

I wish they'd concentrate less on restricting what we can own and more on punishing the people who actually commit crimes with guns.

 

[a6m5]

Keep us updated with pics on that, Michael. 👍 What a beauty!

There's no grand strategy or overarching plan involved, and most people involved in anti-gun legislation will make it pretty clear that they have no interest in a complete ban. The people writing the laws are just being reactionary and the people supporting them generally have no clue what the law actually says. Here in CA, the vast majority of AWB ban supporters think that it's keeping "machine guns" out of the hands of criminals, and when I've explained what the law actually said, they immediately agreed that it was stupid. In this case they're just trying to block loopholes, and while I think it's a stupid law as well, what they're doing doesn't change much except to block a few ways of circumventing the law.

I wish they'd concentrate less on restricting what we can own and more on punishing the people who actually commit crimes with guns.

I'm gonna have to disagree. Anti-gun lobby seem to have enormous funding, and are very powerful politically. Reactionary would be the last word I would use to describe them. They get there by being a very cunning & calculating people after all. Their foot soldiers may be clueless, but I'd have very hard time accepting that they raise & spend so much money just for job security, and to aimlessly pass ineffective & meaningless laws so ignorantly.

 

[Zenith]

IMO, The anti-gun lobby can be very reactionary at times, but usually they act upon an ever-present (but never realized) fear of legal "assault weapons" being used to mow down civilians by the dozen.

This case with the bullet button legislation and indeed the other California laws aren't reactionary simply because nothing happened for these laws to react to. When has a legally obtained "assault weapon" or similar ever been used to commit a violent crime in California? When has a bullet-button equipped rifle been used to commit a crime?

 

[Solid Lifters]

IMO, The anti-gun lobby can be very reactionary at times, but usually they act upon an ever-present (but never realized) fear of legal "assault weapons" being used to mow down civilians by the dozen.

This case with the bullet button legislation and indeed the other California laws aren't reactionary simply because nothing happened for these laws to react to. When has a legally obtained "assault weapon" or similar ever been used to commit a violent crime in California? When has a bullet-button equipped rifle been used to commit a crime?

In college I had a anti-gun professor. She was always spouting anti-gun garbage and requesting people to sign up for anti-gun protests, and the such. She was trying to then get 'assault' weapons banned and often mentioned how often they've killed innocent people. I wrote a paper for her class on how 'assault' rifles only counted less than one tenth of one percent of violent gun crime. She gave me a D- in the class. I had copies of all my work and took it to the dean's office. They changed my grade and put her on notice. She then quit her job. Best feeling I've ever had in the fight of the stupidity of the anti-gun movement.

 

[a6m5]

Wow, that is a serious pwnage. 👍

 

[Michael88]

*raging applause* 👍

 

[VspecZR1GT2RS89]

Yes! Major respect!! 👍

 

[Michael88]

Just bought a Mojo aparture sight from the US; very nice piece of hardware! Sadly, very expensive too.

Sight picture:

 

[Brett]

I went to the gun range yesterday and shot 150 rounds. It was awful starting out. I had not shot in so long and was trying to anticipate the recoil. Groupings were bad and shots were much off where I thought I was aiming. The last three magazines were completely different. I slowed it down a bit and the groupings were excellent.

 

[GTMail]

Decided I should finally post my "real gun" as I'm using it this weekend. It's a late 1940's Browning Light 12 semi-automatic shotgun. It's all original and has been in the family for around 70 years. CN-99604. Some pictures soon to come.

 

[a6m5]

Sounds like a cool shotgun. Yeah, I'd love to see some pics. 👍

Just bought a Mojo aparture sight from the US; very nice piece of hardware! Sadly, very expensive too.

Looks really classy, and rock-solid, too.

Your neighborhood seems little calmer than where I live. Probably less daily crap we have to put up with around here. But we still have less gun control.

I went to the gun range yesterday and shot 150 rounds. It was awful starting out. I had not shot in so long and was trying to anticipate the recoil. Groupings were bad and shots were much off where I thought I was aiming. The last three magazines were completely different. I slowed it down a bit and the groupings were excellent.

I'm glad it went well. 👍 For me, with my G17, the grip was crucial. Once I got the hang of that, accuracy........ it actually got accurate. Before I had the proper grip, they were going all over the place.

You know I love Glock, but I don't think I like plastic/polymer frames anymore after getting used to the Kimber 1911. I've moved up in the caliber, yet, I don't even worry about the recoil, or anticipating it, because it feels so naturally manageable to me. I don't now if it's the added weight + balance, or the grip, or the grip angle, but one thing is clear to me, and that is Kimber .45 is very easy gun to shoot. I can't imagine how much even easier a 9mm 1911 would be to shoot.

Still, if I was to buy a 9mm today, it would have a polymer frame. But if Glock came out with full metal frame Glock(G19), I would jump on that.

 

[Michael88]

Your neighborhood seems little calmer than where I live. Probably less daily crap we have to put up with around here.

I wouldn't say that, its very easy here to get run over by a tractor driven by a drunk maniac farmer.

Still, if I was to buy a 9mm today, it would have a polymer frame. But if Glock came out with full metal frame Glock(G19), I would jump on that.

You can always upgrade your Glock with one of those nifty aftermarket aluminum frames! 👍

 

[porthillking]

Just wondering, anyone here who has fired a gun in the ATC?

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

Just wondering, anyone here who has fired a gun in the ATC?

Years ago I fired the L98 in the ACF. Pity I never got my hands on the GPMG...

 

[porthillking]

Years ago I fired the L98 in the ACF. Pity I never got my hands on the GPMG...

I fired the L98 a few weeks ago. Good fun really.

 

[a6m5]

ATC - Automatic Temperature Control?

ACF, I can't even begin to guess. Or make up.

You can always upgrade your Glock with one of those nifty aftermarket aluminum frames! 👍

Ah, very true. 👍 My favorite feature of the Glocks are the reliability though. I wonder if that will affect it? Considering that aluminum frame would add another few hundred dollars in cost, plus some question mark, if so minor, on the reliability, as long as I'm sticking with the 9mm, I think I'd just put up with the stock polymer frame.

It's really not that bad, and I'd rather have a gun that I know will fire when I pull the trigger. Glocks are wonderful that way.

Edit: From Brownell website regarding their aluminum Glock frame: "Better Recoil Control, Custom Features & Tighter Tolerances For Greater Accuracy"

I was more worried about how slide rode on the frame, how magazine seated in it & fed the ammo, but doesn't tighter tolerance equal less reliability?

Also, one customer reviewed the frame said the frame cracked after something like over 8,000 rounds fired. And from what I saw on the site, they don't make one for the G19 anyway. Too bad, as that thing looks awesome with the picatinny rail which I forgot those frames came with.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

ATC - Automatic Temperature Control?

ACF, I can't even begin to guess. Or make up.

ATC - Air Training Corps

ACF - Army Cadet Force

Like scouts, but military style with guns and stuff.

 

[Michael88]

Also, one customer reviewed the frame said the frame cracked after something like over 8,000 rounds fired. And from what I saw on the site, they don't make one for the G19 anyway. Too bad, as that thing looks awesome with the picatinny rail which I forgot those frames came with.

I doubt that a factory 9x19 could crack any aluminum frame, there are many pistol out there that come with a factory aluminum frame. Maybe there was something else wrong with his gun, a weak recoil spring comes to my mind, a weak spring and hot reloads can really batter a pistol, even a Glock.

I also doubt that a somewhat tighter fitting frame would significantly hurt the reliability,the frame to slide fit of a Glock is very loose, even with the aftermarket frame the fit wont be tighter than your 1911 match spec Kimber -which is -according to your posts- very reliable.

Then again I'm not a pistolero, as a pure rifleman I have little more than basic experience and training with pistols and revolvers so take everything I say about those little lead slingers with a grain of salt. I was totally into pistols when I started shooting but quickly moved on to rifles and never looked back - I'm much better at providing help with rifle questions.

 

[a6m5]

You still know a lot, and I appreciate your opinion on it anyways. 👍 On the crack, I think he might've been talking about a small fracture in the slide area, maybe on the groove. I'm sorry, I wasn't paying much attention. He did say that he used stock 9mm ammo.

ATC - Air Training Corps

ACF - Army Cadet Force

Like scouts, but military style with guns and stuff.

Ah, Ok. I was way off base. Thanks.

P.S. Last time I was at Walmart, Megapack 9mm went up in price again! When I was buying those, they were $51.99. Then I think they were $56.99? Now, $59.99. If you see a good deal on those, stock up, Brett!

 

[GTMail]

Well here it is. Shot great today. I'm going out again Tuesday. More pics and possibly a video then.👍

 

[a6m5]

Sweet vintage shotty. 👍 I definitely am looking forward to pics or vids from your shooting day!

Edit: Where is it made? Modern Brownings seems to be made in Belgium or Japan? This one's old enough to be made in the U.S. probably?

 

[GTMail]

Thanks:tup: I believe it was manufactured in Michigan. So it's cool that it came from the U.S and was bought in Iowa. It shot really well today. I hit 7 out of 8 clays competition style. The gun shoots so nice for it's age.

 

[VspecZR1GT2RS89]

Nice rifle Mail, yeah I'm shocked that the gun did well after all those years. Can't wait to see a video though. 👍

 

[sesselpupser]

I was just thinking (while 'researching' MGSW), why are sub machine guns called that? If anything they're sub assault rifles, surely? Or super machine pistols? I suppose that when they first appeared the only infantry-level fully automatic weapon was the machine gun (no assault rifles at the time), is that why? Obviously this is likely the least important question ever asked but I'm still curious.

 

[Brett]

Submachines guns are called as such because they are small machine guns that fire pistol cartridges. Typically, submachine guns are carbine length or shorter. Recently, FN and HK have made the P90 and MP7 with non-pistol rounds and a whole new category of weapons was created, the personal defense weapon (PDW).

A sub assault rifle would be a carbine. Carbines fire the same intermediate rounds (5.56x45mm NATO or 5.45x39mm) as assault rifles, but in a smaller overall package, i.e. M16A4 is an assault rifle and the M4A1 is a carbine.

Machine pistols are a pistol that is capable of some form of selective fire. The most notable example is the Glock 18.

 

[sesselpupser]

Submachines guns are called as such because they are small machine guns that fire pistol cartridges. Typically, submachine guns are carbine length or shorter. Recently, FN and HK have made the P90 and MP7 with non-pistol rounds and a whole new category of weapons was created, the personal defense weapon (PDW).

A sub assault rifle would be a carbine. Carbines fire the same intermediate rounds (5.56x45mm NATO or 5.45x39mm) as assault rifles, but in a smaller overall package, i.e. M16A4 is an assault rifle and the M4A1 is a carbine.

Machine pistols are a pistol that is capable of some form of selective fire. The most notable example is the Glock 18.

Yeah, I understand what the definitions are, I'm just wondering why a sub machine gun is called that when there's almost no relation from one to the next. After some research it appears my assumption was correct, the idea behind the M1 Thompson was to provide the fully automatic ability of machine guns in a compact package, and I suppose the concept hasn't advanced that far to warrant changing the name; machine guns still fire rifle rounds, SMGs still fire pistol rounds (the Kriss Vector, quite an advanced design by all accounts, still fires the same round the M1 Thompson did), even though ARs are more suited to the SMG name why bother changing it I suppose.

Oh and don't get me started on rifles, assault rifles and carbines... Why isn't an M4 called an 'assault carbine' if an M1 Carbine is a carbine, the M1 Garand is a battle rifle and the M16 is an assault rifle?

Anyway, I should probably stop talking before I go too far into 'I don't know what I'm talking about because I'm English and we're not allowed guns' territory.