Real Guns

[cphbullet]

Michael in here is pretty much an expert on bolt-action. That boy knows a lot about rifles in general!

We have discussed bolt-action in this thread, but no, outside Michael, I think most of us are into semi-autos & handguns. I am getting a bolt-action rifle in the future. There is very little doubt about that. I'm sure guys in here like Solid, Z-Man, they own a bolt-action or two.......

I shot my friend's used Beretta, which was the civilian version of M9(92-something). Trigger was werid. It had this spongy feel, and travel was long. I much prefer the short, crisp pull of my 1911.

I love semi auto rifles more so considering i have an unusually fast trigger finger and that my favourite rifle if the Model 82A1 but theres something i really enjoy about the 'draw' (cant remember the correct terminology) before each shot.

To the best of my recollection i didn't enjoy firing the M9 for exactly those reasons.

I'd really like to own a gun but considering the country i inhabit i'd have to become a farmer or something and thats a bit too extensive.

 

[a6m5]

Have fun with it. I can't believe you even remembered that post, it's been ages.

I'm cheap. I remember discounts.



Well, good news/2 bad news on the rifle. Good news, rifle arrived in one piece. Bad newses: 1) It arrived without the foregrip, which according to the Bushmaster website, it's supposed to be included. 2) Delay on the background check.

I should have the rifle in my possession tomorrow. For somewhat reasonable reason, background check takes longer on non-citizens. What I don't get is, why the delay every frigging time? Whatever is causing this delay, did they not clear it the last time? Whatever check(s) they are performing, it is inefficient. Did I just call the Government inefficient?

Now I have to drive clear out there again tomorrow during the commute hours. Costing me time & gas, but again, that is the Government only living up to its' reputation.

I love semi auto rifles more so considering i have an unusually fast trigger finger and that my favourite rifle if the Model 82A1 but theres something i really enjoy about the 'draw' (cant remember the correct terminology) before each shot.

To the best of my recollection i didn't enjoy firing the M9 for exactly those reasons.

I'd really like to own a gun but considering the country i inhabit i'd have to become a farmer or something and thats a bit too extensive.

Did you see how I spelled "weird"? What a dumbass.

Anyway, I do feel for you on the gun control. Because of irresponsible few, people like you don't get to enjoy what I consider one of the most enjoyable hobbies. I'm from Japan, and shooting was an impossible hobby to get into. Hunting is impossible with unrealistic regulations. Unless you are with the Police, military, or Yakuza, you couldn't even touch or hold one. Unfortunately, I think the gun control is only going to get stronger & stronger, worldwide.

I'm starting to work on getting on American Citizenship now, since I have no interest in going back to Japan. If they let me carry a piece, I might consider it. j/k

Edit: I had to look up this Model 82A1. You are crazy!

 

[Nicksfix]

If everything go well, I'll be a NRA member + owner of a proper rifle for the first time, shortly. I signed up through that $25 NRA membership link Icarus/Forza provided in this thread, awhile back. Rifle is supposed to arrive at my local FFL tomorrow.

Wish me luck.

Congrats on joining the NRA. It's the best $25 you'll ever have spent.

 

[a6m5]

Congrats on joining the NRA. It's the best $25 you'll ever have spent.

I don't know about that, but it is a bargain! Thanks!

 

[Solid Lifters]

If everything go well, I'll be a NRA member + owner of a proper rifle for the first time, shortly. I signed up through that $25 NRA membership link Icarus/Forza provided in this thread, awhile back. Rifle is supposed to arrive at my local FFL tomorrow.

Wish me luck.

Good luck with the new rifle. I she shoots straight and true for ya'. 👍

 

[a6m5]

Good luck with the new rifle. I she shoots straight and true for ya'. 👍

I was horrible on Call of Duty. Let's just hope I'm little bit better in real life. I don't even want to talk about the kill/death ratio. Oh, and thank you Solid. :tup:

 

[cphbullet]

Did you see how I spelled "weird"? What a dumbass.

Anyway, I do feel for you on the gun control. Because of irresponsible few, people like you don't get to enjoy what I consider one of the most enjoyable hobbies. I'm from Japan, and shooting was an impossible hobby to get into. Hunting is impossible with unrealistic regulations. Unless you are with the Police, military, or Yakuza, you couldn't even touch or hold one. Unfortunately, I think the gun control is only going to get stronger & stronger, worldwide.

I'm starting to work on getting on American Citizenship now, since I have no interest in going back to Japan. If they let me carry a piece, I might consider it. j/k

Edit: I had to look up this Model 82A1. You are crazy!

I was horrible on Call of Duty. Let's just hope I'm little bit better in real life. I don't even want to talk about the kill/death ratio. Oh, and thank you Solid. :tup:

What you talking' bout willis, i say 'werid' all the time
I hate the laws on gun control but i do understand them i suppose, you say irresponsible few but over here theres so many idiots, i work in a large department store that rakes in thousands daily, if guns were legal and we were armed incase of robbery i'd probably have gotten a higher body count than most serial killers (its that bad). I just wish there were more circumstances in which it would be legal for me to own one and i can't see a scottish yakuza anytime soon.

Im not sure why i love the 82A1 so much i just think its a gorgeous gun and sounds incredible, theres quite a few good videos on youtube of it but not at its full rate of fire .

As for the call of duty comment there aren't going to be people shooting at you so you should be ok, if your not you may find your holding the gun back to front

 

[a6m5]

True. No need for spray & pray, my usual method, killing everybody & the trees & the cars behind them.

 

[Crash]

For somewhat reasonable reason, background check takes longer on non-citizens. What I don't get is, why the delay every frigging time? Whatever is causing this delay, did they not clear it the last time? Whatever check(s) they are performing, it is inefficient. Did I just call the Government inefficient?

They probably just check additional systems to make sure you're not a terrorist anchor baby dropping illegal criminal, and that is taking the extra time.

Also, you have to let me know what the benefits of joining the NRA are.

I'm starting to work on getting on American Citizenship now, since I have no interest in going back to Japan. If they let me carry a piece, I might consider it. j/k

'Bout time.

 

[a6m5]

They probably just check additional systems to make sure you're not a terrorist anchor baby dropping illegal criminal, and that is taking the extra time.

Also, you have to let me know what the benefits of joining the NRA are.

Yeah, you don't take chances when it comes to terrorist anchor babies, they are bad news. 👍

NRA, of course is a political force that protects rights that people like you & I value. For me, it was the purchase of this new expensive rifle that made it a no-brainer. NRA Insurance

'Bout time.

EVERYBODY tells me this. I just feel so lucky to have belonged to one great nation, then chance to join another in complete freedom. So many in the world hates Japan & the U.S., but these are couple of nations that I personally feel obligated to serve, because they certainly serve their people. I'm excited about this opportunity.

Faster background check is a icing on the cake.

 

[Michael88]

Now some random AR-10 action.



And shooting modern replicas of the first scoped metallic cartridge sniper rifles (1870's). Pretty damn cool if you ask me.

 

[Zenith]

So, a6m5's AR is supposed to be here today. I'm not seeing any pictures

 

[Michael88]

Hes probably still partying. Be patient.

 

[a6m5]

Not a good day for me, guys.

This morning, I get a call from my FFL, I got the approval, come pick up the gun. I head over during lunch break from work, sign the paper, pick up the gun.

As I load it in my car, I figure I should open it, make sure everything's in there, it looks good. I decide to take out the packet with the hardware, operator manual thing, so I can check it out on the drive back to work(at stop light, etc., not while driving). I mentioned before that front vertical grip was missing. It turns out Bushmaster put the wrong 🤬 packet in the case.

As soon as I saw the scope mounts in it, I knew which packet this thing was for: Bushmaster 308 ORC

At first, I thought it was wrong frigging rifle altogether. Rifle is correct. What's puzzling is the model number printed on the packet is correct. "90828", which is correct to my MOE rifle. But in the description on the very label, it says "Optic Ready Carbine(ORC) MOE".

Anyway, I couldn't get in touch with the gun shop I got it from, or Bushmaster, because they all operate on Eastern time, and by the time I got home, they are both closed. I think the vertical grip goes for around $30, and rear flip sight goes for $60. I'm out close to $100, so I was not a happy camper today. Now this deal drags on until tomorrow, and I expect either the gun shop, or Bushmaster to make this right.

Was this hassle worth saving $100(versus the local quotes)? I most definitely would have chosen to pay $100 more to get the correct order without this hassle.

Edit: Actually, if I get on eBay, I can get the front vertical grip under $20, and the flip-up rear sights under $50, shipping included. It's looking bit better now, but if I actually get what I paid for, that would be better.

Edit2: Cool vids, Michael. 👍 I especially like the old school snipers. Looks like a lot of fun!

Edit3!: Are any of you guys familiar with the "magnifiers"? I've begun researching on the optics option for the AR, and while I was pretty sure I was going with a low power scope(ideally 1~3X or something like that), I just saw EOTech red dot for something like $360. I've always liked red dot sight, but I thought they cost more than that. Best part is that they use "AA" batteries. If you've visited the Survival Discussion thread, you know I don't touch CR123 batteries.

Anywho, red dot + magnifier? Good option, or stick with a scope?

 

[Michael88]

Ah, sorry to hear that not everything went according to plan. I hope the gun shop doesn't decide to ship your current rifle back to Bushmaster to order a new one with the correct accessories, that would mean more waiting. 🤬
Something similar happened to me once, ordered a rifle with a 20'' barrel, got one with a 24''. First I was like FFFFFUUUUUUU....then I realized that taking it back and ordering the correct one would mean another 4 weeks of waiting.
Decided that its not worth it so I kept it. Its now my favorite and best shooting rifle and I love the long barrel, looks so much better than the short one.

Anywho, red dot + magnifier? Good option, or stick with a scope?

I can't think of a single reason why you should take a magnifier + redd. over a scope. Its like taking an illuminated 1-4 scope and cutting it in two pieces with a hacksaw. I also think it will cost you more. The only advantage is the red dot is a TINY bit faster at close ranges than a 1-4x22 scope, but the difference is absolutely negligible in my opinion. One of the many disadvantage of the magn + reddot combo is that if you run out of batteries your optical sights are useless, but a scope will have the reticle laser cut into the lens.

If I were you I'd give the ultra tacticool scopes the finger and get something 2-7x33 or a 3-9 x 40 with a docter sight on a piggyback mount. Covers anything from 10 to 1000yds. You'll absolutely love the 7x or 9x magnification and a bigger lens when shooting stuff farther away than 100yds.

The 1-4x22's are cool, but they aren't perfect, the 22mm lenses are absolutely horrible at gathering light in dim light conditions, thats why I sold mine. With 4x magn. it was like shooting in dusk all the time when it wasn't a super sunny day and forget using them even only 15 minutes after sunset.

One of the advantages of a scope gives you is that it can be used when there isn't enough light anymore to see the open sights, that means you can shoot stuff and hit stuff at dusk and dawn. Now if you go with a very small scope its kinda like shooting yourself in the foot because you lose that great advantage.

 

[Solid Lifters]

I hate not getting what I ordered. Especially true with firearms. It happens. That's why I always buy local from a guy I know and trust. Saves a lot of grief and I support my local gun shop who can use my business.

Good luck getting this mess sorted out. 👍

Since my eyes have gotten so bad over the past few years, I prefer magnified red dots. AA batteries like the Sanyo XX or Eneloop are awesome for red dot sights. Scope, however, is best suited for your rifle. .308 can punch out rather far, so you'd want the best use of that. Scope is the best bet. Below are the 'best bang for the buck' scopes you should take a serious look at.

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_4_14X44_FFP_Scope_p/pa4-14xffp.htm

http://www.sightmark.com/products/riflescopes/triple-duty-25-10x32-mdd-sm13022mdd

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, more I think about it, scopes make more sense. I almost wish I had bought a .223 though, I'd definitely have put $365 EOTech on that.

But with .308, with its long reach, scope would be a natural choice as you guys said. I was thinking Nikon, or Leupold(local company), but I'll also check out Solid's links.

And thanks guys. 👍 Yeah, this might be the last time I buy online. I filled out an online contact form for open orders with this gun shop, but to my surprise, they didn't even get back to me. No "yes, we'll make it right", or even "you are on your own". I was bit taken by this. Since they don't want to get back to me online, I guess the uncertainty will drag on another day.

This is the shop: BudsGunShop.com

They seem to have a lot of satisfied customers, but so far, I haven't been very impressed. I'll let you guys know what they tell me tomorrow.

Thanks again for the tips. I really appreciate this. 👍

 

[Zenith]

Edit3!: Are any of you guys familiar with the "magnifiers"? I've begun researching on the optics option for the AR, and while I was pretty sure I was going with a low power scope(ideally 1~3X or something like that), I just saw EOTech red dot for something like $360. I've always liked red dot sight, but I thought they cost more than that. Best part is that they use "AA" batteries. If you've visited the Survival Discussion thread, you know I don't touch CR123 batteries.

Anywho, red dot + magnifier? Good option, or stick with a scope?

Sorry to hear about the mixup. Hope it gets rectified. I'd call them and get it sorted out with a human being online. If not, go to an AR board and see if you can get advice.

Red dot + Magnifier always seemed heavy and bulky for me. I think an EOTech with 3x magnified weighs something like 2 pounds... which is huge.

What kind of shooting do you do with the rifle? Do you shoot to see how tight your groups can get? Do you hunt? Do you kill tin cans? Magnified if you hunt, shoot for extreme precision, or shoot 200 and above.

An EOTech on a AR10 is a good idea, I'd recommend the XPS. It's by far the best of the line and the transverse mounted batteries fix the issues that plagued the earlier models. The problems were especially evident on .308's.

As far as magnified optics, the suggestions above look good.

 

[a6m5]

Sorry to hear about the mixup. Hope it gets rectified. I'd call them and get it sorted out with a human being online. If not, go to an AR board and see if you can get advice.

Red dot + Magnifier always seemed heavy and bulky for me. I think an EOTech with 3x magnified weighs something like 2 pounds... which is huge.

What kind of shooting do you do with the rifle? Do you shoot to see how tight your groups can get? Do you hunt? Do you kill tin cans? Magnified if you hunt, shoot for extreme precision, or shoot 200 and above.

An EOTech on a AR10 is a good idea, I'd recommend the XPS. It's by far the best of the line and the transverse mounted batteries fix the issues that plagued the earlier models. The problems were especially evident on .308's.

As far as magnified optics, the suggestions above look good.

The truth is, I will very rarely shoot past 100 yards, but I think I would like having the ability to. It's going to be shooting mostly at paper targets and tin cans.

What kind of issues did some EOTechs suffer from? If it was worse on .308, was it the recoil that was the issue?

 

[Zenith]

It was the recoil. The earlier models used batteries that were mounted on the same axis as the recoil (front to back) so every time the gun would fire the batteries were basically rammed back and forth in their place. People had problems on .223's and even moreso with the .308's. There are fixes out there, but it was a design fault that really shouldn't have ever existed. I mean, that's not exactly an unexpected scenario for the optic to go through...

The XPS uses watch batteries that are mounted transverse. It's also a bit lighter and a tad more expensive.

I'd also look into Aimpoint. They're out there for $400 and are known to be far more reliable than EOTechs... plus the battery life of 3-7 years is pretty cool. They're a bit less cool and they don't have the nifty retical, but they're sell expensive and damn reliable.

 

[a6m5]

I'm probably gonna go with a scope at this point, but I still want to look into this Aimpoint. Never heard of them before. 👍

Yeah, interesting about the EOTech and the battery layout. How do they not see that one coming? Outside the actual build quality, you would think their concern would start with recoil.

 

[a6m5]

UPDATE: I did call Buds Gunshop, and they did tell me that they were sorry, but they had to refer me to Bushmaster, which made total sense. After providing the serial # of the rifle, Bushmaster said that they will send me the Magpul vertical grip + rear flip sight. Phew.

I bought five more boxes of TulAmmo, another five for my friend. It's less than half the price of the Federals & Remingtons, I can't help it. Walmart still got those hundred-pack Federal .45ACP for $29.99, so I got that, too. Dirt. Cheap.

I'm probably going to order couple of PMAGs now. I still need to find out if DPMS magazines will work with my Bushmaster. They look identical. Sling that came with rifle seems OK. Holding off on the optics until I take the rifle out shooting a time or two.

Me & my buddy, his dad was planning on going shooting in the woods tomorrow, but I guess there is wild fire warning or whatever they call it going on. No shooting is allowed in the woods. Too dry!

 

[Michael88]

Pics?

 

[a6m5]

I was gonna wait until the rear sight & vertical grip showed up.

I plan on ordering mags as soon as I get a answer from Bushmaster's FAQ people about the compatible magazines. I really think DPMS mags will fit, in which case I'm ordering two Magpul PMAGs + one DPMS(looks just like the one on the rifle).

I'm also currently looking on Amazon for short picatinny rail attachment(Magpul) for the handguard(cover over the barrel), and also at Magpul "Plus" pistol grip. I think it's just like my grip, except "Plus" has rubberized surface around the grip portion.

Edit: I have a question, probably for Z-Man, maybe Solid. Is it OK to start shooting with the dust cover closed? I'm not familiar with it obviously, but it looks like you just keep it open while shooting, then manually close when you are done?

I was just worried about the first empty shell that would hit the dust cover closed.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Yes, the dust cover will open automatically. So no worries. But, a lot of people just open it before they shoot. Whatever floats your boat.

She's a beauty! More pics needed when she all dressed up.

 

[a6m5]

Thank you man. 👍

Yeah, I will post a proper pic once the missing accessories arrive. I have seen couple of .308 rifle ads where seller is selling it, because the rifle was way more powerful than they expected. I can't wait to shoot it, but I'm bit nervous at the same time.

 

[Nicksfix]

I was gonna wait until the rear sight & vertical grip showed up.

NOICE PIECE 👍

 

[Solid Lifters]

Thank you man. 👍

Yeah, I will post a proper pic once the missing accessories arrive. I have seen couple of .308 rifle ads where seller is selling it, because the rifle was way more powerful than they expected. I can't wait to shoot it, but I'm bit nervous at the same time.

It's definitely not the same as .223 which has very little kick to it. But, remember to use the 'stretch the tea towel' method when shooting her. That helps a lot with the recoil and reduces the amount of time to shoot the next shot.

 

[Michael88]

That thing is SWEET, no doubt about it! 👍 How much does it weigh? it looks 9 lbs-ish to me.

 

[a6m5]

Thank you guys! 👍

What is this technique Solid mentioned? I tried googling it, but I came up empty handed. And according to the Bushmaster website, the rifle weighs 7.92 lbs. That might, or might not be with the magazine. *shrug*

Edit: Good news! I had the answer from Bushmaster back(w/ my junk emails ). They confirmed that this rifle will accept DPMS magazine. I like the stock one, which looks identical to DPMS, and probably is the same mag anyway. They look bad assssssss........