Real Life Street Drags

[Sage Ages]

So, just as long as it has accurate weight?

 

[Slash]

So, just as long as it has accurate weight?

Pretty much yeah. Or is in the ballpark at least.

You can also run non-real life weight with the weight reduction as long as the car isn't too fast.

EDIT:

I have since added lines to the transmissions that have been converted to the new layout, but they aren't exactly perfectly straight. You'll have to deal with it until they get remade, which might be never

MOPAR has also been successfully converted to the new transmission layout.

 

[Bennyklanco]

Im glad I could help,without the usual contradictions from the kiddos,I consider myself an authority on old muscle cars,I build em,drive em and I own one,and just for the record,those ole Muncies werent near as good as the Borg-Warner T10's,Ill check my archives and see when they were used and the ratios available.Also,we had a saginaw 4spd available then,it wasnt as desirable as a Muncie because it was a cast iron boat anchor,as well as it was tailored for higher gear cars,Ill get those numbers too.

 

[Slash]

Im glad I could help,without the usual contradictions from the kiddos,I consider myself an authority on old muscle cars,I build em,drive em and I own one,and just for the record,those ole Muncies werent near as good as the Borg-Warner T10's,Ill check my archives and see when they were used and the ratios available.Also,we had a saginaw 4spd available then,it wasnt as desirable as a Muncie because it was a cast iron boat anchor,as well as it was tailored for higher gear cars,Ill get those numbers too.

Sweet!! Yeah the old T-10's are fantastic. That's what I'm getting into myself, restorations.

 

[Bennyklanco]

Saginaw cast iron 4 speeds
Saginaw 4 speed
1st 2nd 3rd 4th
3.50-2.48-1.65-1.00
3.11-2.20-1.47-1.00
2.85-2.01-1.47-1.00
2.54-1.80-1.44-1.00

Available in:

• 1967-'80 and '82 Camaro, Firebird
• 1975-'80 Astre, Monza, Skyhawk, Starfire, Sunbird
• 1966-'69 Impala
• 1966-'73 Chevelle
• 1966-'79 Nova
• 1970-'71 Monte Carlo
• 1971-'74 El Camino, GMC Sprint
• 1966-'74 Tempest, Ventura II, Le Mans
• 1973-'76 Vega
• 1977-'79 Corvette
• 1978-'79 Grand Prix, Le Mans, Century, Regal, Phoenix and Omega
• 1978-'80 Monte Carlo, Malibu and Sprint
• 1977 Ventura II
• Notice the super low 1st gears,mostly used in lo-po applications to get em rolling

 

[Slash]

Awesome, I will add those in right now!! Thanks!

 

[Bennyklanco]

These cars used a Borg-Warner T10 as original equipment
1957-'63 Corvette
1957-'63 Chevrolet full-size sedan
1961-'63 Pontiac, Olds F85, Buick Specials
1960-'65 Ford and Mercury full-size, except station wagon
1960-'65 Ford Fairlane, Falcon, Mustang, Mercury Comet
1963 Dodge and Plymouth V-8, except Hemi
1968-'70 AMC Rambler, Rebel, Ambassador, Marlin, and American
1971 AMC Hornet and Matador
1968-'74 AMC Javelin and AMX

T-10 Close Ratio
T-10 Close Ratio
T-10 Wide Ratio
T-10 Wide Ratio
T-10 Close Ratio
(HI Nickle)
ST-10
ST-10
ST-10
ST-10

57-62 2.20, 1.66, 1.31, 1.00
62-65 2.20, 1.64, 1.31, 1.00
61-62 2.54, 1.92, 1.51, 1.00
62-65 2.54, 1.89, 1.51, 1.00
64-65 2.20, 1.64, 1.31, 1.00

74-95 2.43, 1.61, 1.23, 1.00
74-95 2.64, 1.75, 1.33, 1.00
74-95 2.88, 1.91, 1.33, 1.00
74-95 3.42, 2.28, 1.46, 1.00

The "ST' denotes a Super T10,had a high nickel content in the gears,made it able to be thrashed routinely,you could bang gears with no clutch at the right shift point,highly sought after

 

[Slash]

Not sure where you are finding these, but please keep them coming! This is fantastic!

I do have some of the T-10 and ST-10's in the OP, so I will have to sort out duplicates, but that's all good.

 

[Bennyklanco]

Not sure where you are finding these, but please keep them coming! This is fantastic!

I do have some of the T-10 and ST-10's in the OP, so I will have to sort out duplicates, but that's all good.

Its just what a ole man does,its no problem,youre welcome

 

[Bennyklanco]

Ive always focused on the Bowties,but Ill get ya the Ford Top loader and Mopar gears of the day,in the garage,but my garage is real,real cold right now...

 

[Bennyklanco]

This is a 61 Corvette with a T10,originally a 283 F.I. car,Old man who owned it hooked the battery charger up backwards and burnt the wiring harness up all the way under the dash and all,I rewired it,gave it a tune up.It has a 350 4 barrel with a noisy geardrive in it now(I dont like geardrives). I made money on it,but what he didnt know was,just getting to drive it was payment enough,haha,shhhhh

 

[Slash]

Ive always focused on the Bowties,but Ill get ya the Ford Top loader and Mopar gears of the day,in the garage,but my garage is real,real cold right now...

Awesome, I'll be on the lookout for them. Thanks!

That Vette is pretty sweet also!

 

[Bennyklanco]

These vehicles had a Ford Top-Loader as original equip. Built by Tremec for Ford,the official part # was a T-170

• 1964-'73 Mustang
• 1964-'70 Comet, Falcon and Fairlane
• 1971-'73 Torino and Montego
• 1964-'67 Full-size Mercury
• 1964-'69 Full-size Ford and Galaxie
• 1970-'75 Maverick and Comet
• 1978-'87 Ford pickups with an RUG identification code
• 1980-'84 Jeep w/ T-170 transmission
• \Ratios available were:
• Close-Ratio Gearing-Wide-Ratio Gearing
  1st 2.78/1st 2.32
  2nd 1.93/2nd 1.69
  3rd 1.36/3rd 1.29
  4th 1.00/4th 1.00

 

[Bennyklanco]

I went ahead and got my other computer from garage,heres your Mopar 883 4 speed specs,it was the only one used in the old Mopar muscle cars:
A-833 Transmission Gear Ratios1st2nd3rd4th
6-cyl (also 64-65 273, 74-75 318)3.09 1.92 1.40 1.00
Fine-spline V8 (most pre-1971)2.66 1.91 1.39 1.00
Coarse-spline V8 (1966-70)2.65 1.93 1.39 1.00
Coarse-spline V8 (1971-74)2.44 1.77 1.34 1.00
Road Race T/A; most 1971-74 fine spline2.47 1.77 1.34 1.00
Overdrive (mid-1970s and newer)3.09 1.67 1.00 0.73

Ive never had any interest in automatic slush boxes,so your on your own there buddy

 

[Slash]

Appreciate them all man!! These are really helping out.

 

[Bennyklanco]

Appreciate them all man!! These are really helping out.

I think I want to build a 69 Z/28 to compete with you all some day,I had one in GT5 with a stock 4 speed that done pretty good,of course it was maxed out on HP though,Ill get with you when the time is right

 

[Slash]

I think I want to build a 69 Z/28 to compete with you all some day,I had one in GT5 with a stock 4 speed that done pretty good,of course it was maxed out on HP though,Ill get with you when the time is right

Sounds good. Me and Shake have built up 1969 ZL1 Camaro's, 4.11s and a M21. Fast buggers.

 

[Bennyklanco]

Sounds good. Me and Shake have built up 1969 ZL1 Camaro's, 4.11s and a M21. Fast buggers.

What are you doing to it to give it ZL1 credentials if you dont mind me asking?

 

[Slash]

What are you doing to it to give it ZL1 credentials if you dont mind me asking?

With the right combination of parts, you can get the torque figure exactly what it really rated in real life (albeit higher RPM), and you can power limit the horsepower like 1% to get the actual horsepower. I dropped the weight down to it's actual weight which IIRC is about 200kg lighter than the Z28 in game, threw a M21 in it, 4.11's, took the spoiler off it, painted the dog dish wheels the body color and called it a day. Didn't upgrade brakes though. Car goes like hell.

 

[Camaro69427]

What are you doing to it to give it ZL1 credentials if you dont mind me asking?

I've got one. I added the dog-dish hub caps and deleted the spoiler for the looks. I dropped an M22 with 4.10s. Then I matched up the torque and limited the power to 500ish. I also upgraded the brakes a little to be more heavy duty like the real thing. I had to match up the weight, too. It's as close as you can get to the real thing.

 

[Slash]

I've got one. I added the dog-dish hub caps and deleted the spoiler for the looks. Then I matched up the torque and limited the power to 500ish. I also upgraded the brakes a little to be more heavy duty like the real thing. It's as close as you can get to the real thing.

I made mine to factory ratings despite what they actually make.

 

[Bennyklanco]

Thanks men

 

[Camaro69427]

I made mine to factory ratings despite what they actually make.

Yeah, I like the whole 500+ HP thing. I guess the factory ratings would fit in better with the game. The Z/28 in GT6 (289 Horse power) has the factory rated HP, but in all reality, it made 375+ horsepower. I like saying that I have a stock 500 horsepower Camaro.

 

[Slash]

Yeah, I like the whole 500+ HP thing. I guess the factory ratings would fit in better with the game. The Z/28 in GT6 has the factory rated HP, but in all reality, it made 375+ horsepower. I like saying that I have a stock 500 horsepower Camaro.

I highly doubt a Chevy 302 made 375 horsepower, all it was was a destroked 327 which didn't make nearly that much horsepower in the first place. I'm thinking more like 330, if that. The race spec version may have made that though, which I don't doubt for a minute, since Ford got the Boss 302 to churn out a healthy 470. I'm not saying they can't make that kind of power, just not in factory stock form.

 

[Camaro69427]

I think we can all agree that we dislike those 1960s insurance companies.

 

[Slash]

I think we can all agree that we dislike those 1960s insurance companies.

Oh you can bet on that

 

[Camaro69427]

I highly doubt a Chevy 302 made 375 horsepower, all it was was a destroked 327 which didn't make nearly that much horsepower in the first place. I'm thinking more like 330, if that. The race spec version may have made that though, which I don't doubt for a minute, since Ford got the Boss 302 to churn out a healthy 470. I'm not saying they can't make that kind of power, just not in factory stock form.

[quote="Camaro Exposed by Paul Zazarine]Chevrolet blatantly underrated the 302's horsepower at 290 and torque at an equally silly 290 lb-ft. In reality, the production engines generated over 375 horsepower, with power coming on strong from 3500 to 6500 rpm and still pulling at 7000 rpm.[/quote]
Page 102, first paragraph. If you need me to, I can post pics of the page tomorrow.

 

[Slash]

Chevrolet blatantly underrated the 302's horsepower at 290 and torque at an equally silly 290 lb-ft. In reality, the production engines generated over 375 horsepower, with power coming on strong from 3500 to 6500 rpm and still pulling at 7000 rpm.

Page 102, first paragraph. If you need me too, I can post pics of the page tomorrow.

http://www.superchevy.com/technical..._testing/sucp_1004_high_rpm_302_engine_build/

357 horsepower isn't 375hp. And that was on a fresh engine. I'd say the car was only quick due to the fact it was light compared to a lot of the rest.

 

[Bennyklanco]

I have a set of 186 casting 302 heads,I can tell you they were the limiting factor on the 302,they would make over 500 HP in RACE trim,with the crossram and 2-780 Holleys,at around 8500 rpm

 

[Slash]

I have a set of 186 casting 302 heads,I can tell you they were the limiting factor on the 302,they would make over 500 HP in RACE trim,with the crossram and 2-780 Holleys,at around 8500 rpm

Exactly, race trim. But by that logic the T/A Boss should make 600. Everything spec wise walked all over the Chevy. 2100cfm induction, solid everything, dual radiator inlets, ported 351C 4V heads, 12.1 compression IIRC....etc etc. iirc fords horsepower rating in the boss was 10-15 Hp higher tha the Camaros.