Religion is contrived

[JacktheHat]

What exactly are God's responsibilities then?

 

[Swift]

What exactly are God's responsibilities then?

Are you asking seriously or being sarcastic?

 

[JacktheHat]

Are you asking seriously or being sarcastic?

Seriously, I'm asking what you think his responsibilities are. You seem to be convinced that he has helped you as an individual but dismissive of the fact that he has left millions to starve to death, live in poverty and be exploited.

So I'm asking you what exactly is it that God does, what is his point and how you justify there being a so-called 'superior' being when the service, to me, seems inferior.

I'm looking for a straight answer, no avoiding the question or quoting scriptures that can be interpreted in manifold ways.

 

[Touring Mars]

As Richard Dawkins would say, isn't it better to believe that there is no God, rather than believe in one who is capable of letting terrible things happen to us, or at best, who turns a blind eye when people commit heinous crimes against others? If God has responsibilities, it implies that He has some control over what happens to us one way or another, when He clearly doesn't... I don't think that God is a callous, heartless being who lets terrible things happen, or who smites people for being against him... I merely think he just isn't there at all...

 

[Swift]

Seriously, I'm asking what you think his responsibilities are. You seem to be convinced that he has helped you as an individual but dismissive of the fact that he has left millions to starve to death, live in poverty and be exploited.

So I'm asking you what exactly is it that God does, what is his point and how you justify there being a so-called 'superior' being when the service, to me, seems inferior.

I'm looking for a straight answer, no avoiding the question or quoting scriptures that can be interpreted in manifold ways.

No, you looking for another way to try to poke wholes in the idea that God is good.

You don't want any scriptures that can be interpreted in a manifold of ways? I posted a scripture in another thread that was black and white and you dismissed it. If your not willing to even listen to the word of God, then it's truly pointless to even continue.

Even Famine, Duke and others have a better understanding of what God is "supposed" to be then you. And they've actually read the bible.

You want me to give you reasons for God's ways yet totally dismiss the bible. Again, I find it intresting that you won't here what God has to say on the subject.

We're not talking about Creationism here. We're talking about the character and the nature of God. If you dismiss the writings of God, that's fine. But don't expect someone to try to scramble and give you a perfect answer.

 

[JacktheHat]

No, you looking for another way to try to poke wholes in the idea that God is good.

You don't want any scriptures that can be interpreted in a manifold of ways? I posted a scripture in another thread that was black and white and you dismissed it. If your not willing to even listen to the word of God, then it's truly pointless to even continue.

Even Famine, Duke and others have a better understanding of what God is "supposed" to be then you. And they've actually read the bible.

You want me to give you reasons for God's ways yet totally dismiss the bible. Again, I find it intresting that you won't here what God has to say on the subject.

We're not talking about Creationism here. We're talking about the character and the nature of God. If you dismiss the writings of God, that's fine. But don't expect someone to try to scramble and give you a perfect answer.

You sure can tell a lot about me just from my posts. Although if you read some of them then you may have discovered that I have read the bible. Try finishing the post before reacting.

What I'm asking is:

What do you, not what the Bible (whichever version) or someone else has told you, think are God's responsibilities?

To be honest I thought it was a simple request.

 

[Swift]

You sure can tell a lot about me just from my posts. Although if you read some of them then you may have discovered that I have read the bible. Try finishing the post before reacting.

What I'm asking is:

What do you, not what the Bible (whichever version) or someone else has told you, think are God's responsibilities?

To be honest I thought it was a simple request.

You know. I think it's comical how when someone like myself believes in the bible not because some told me to beleive it but because I've proven his word in my life. Things about giving, praying, and holiness. God has proven them valid to me in my life. This is why I constantly site bible versus because I've seen them come true.

 

[JacktheHat]

You know. I think it's comical how when someone like myself believes in the bible not because some told me to beleive it but because I've proven his word in my life. Things about giving, praying, and holiness. God has proven them valid to me in my life. This is why I constantly site bible versus because I've seen them come true.

Ok, so what's your answer?



Or are you saying you have blind faith?

 

[Swift]

Ok, so what's your answer?



Or are you saying you have blind faith?

Man, you really don't like to read what I post do you?

I said that God's word has been PROVEN to me in my life. I thought that was fairly clear anyway.

Things about tithing(giving 10% of your income to God), striving for holiness, Prayer and fasting, give and it shall be given unto you and other principles that are taught in the bible I have seen happen in my life. That is my answer.

 

[Duke]

God doesn't have any responsibilities. He's omnipotent, so who's going to enforce those responsibilities on Him? His boss? All he has to do is love you (with no definition of what that love is) and send you to heaven if you love Him in the right way (at which you have to guess, since He works in mysterious ways).

 

[Danoff]

All he has to do is love you (with no definition of what that love is) and send you to heaven if you love Him in the right way (at which you have to guess, since He works in mysterious ways).

That's God's choice. He doesn't have to love you or send you to heaven if you love him the right way.

 

[Pako]

Seriously, I'm asking what you think his responsibilities are. You seem to be convinced that he has helped you as an individual but dismissive of the fact that he has left millions to starve to death, live in poverty and be exploited.

So I'm asking you what exactly is it that God does, what is his point and how you justify there being a so-called 'superior' being when the service, to me, seems inferior.

I'm looking for a straight answer, no avoiding the question or quoting scriptures that can be interpreted in manifold ways.

Everything was fine and wonderful in the Garden of Eden before Eve ate of the forbidden fruit and shared it with Adam. Now we are all born into sin. It would have been better if God had put the tree somewhere else, I mean seriously. Eat of every fruit you like except THAT ONE. Of course you're going to want to check it out. Anyways, we are all born into what's called 'original' sin which dates back to when Adam and Eve got the boot out of Eden. Had they not done that, there would be no hunger or starvation.

What about all the billions of people who aren't starving? Surely you also blame God for that as well? There is enough surplus of food in other countries that if we wanted to, we could stop the hunger in Africa, but instead, we (meaning other nations) continue to get fat because of greed.

 

[Dave A]

The whole point of putting the tree there was for Adam and Eve to dispay a single act of obedience to God, nothing more. Other than that, the world was theirs and they disobeyed. As for the bad conditions on the earth, it's all mankinds own fault, it's in no way God's fault, Mankind tured their back on God and God has allowed them to try and run things theirselves, which were proving we can't do very well, thoes who still love God are given a second chance to enter into God's kingdom. Theres no hate there, the only hatefullness comes from humans trying to put thier own mistakes and thier stupid ammount of greed onto God, the state of the world is down to us trying to rule ourselves.

 

[Duke]

Everything was fine and wonderful in the Garden of Eden before Eve ate of the forbidden fruit and shared it with Adam. Now we are all born into sin.

Let's not tapdance around this issue, let's be frank: it was the Apple of Knowledge, from the Tree of Life.

 

[Pako]

Let's not tapdance around this issue, let's be frank: it was the Apple of Knowledge, from the Tree of Life.

Apple though?

We would have been better to have eaten from the fruit of wisdom instead of the fruit of knowlege wouldn't you say?

 

[Swift]

Let's not tapdance around this issue, let's be frank: it was the Apple of Knowledge, from the Tree of Life.

Close bud. It was actually the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The tree of life was a seperate tree. And we know it was fruit. An apple is commonly used just because most people recokgnize it as fruit. But it really doesn't matter what type it was.

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

You know the whole Garden of Eden thing is one of the parts of the Bible that I find hardest to swallow...(pun not intended at first ) Also Eve being created from Adams rib, I mean come on! And where was Eden again...not on this earth that is for sure...The parts with Jesus as a philosopher talking about spirituality and love thy neighbour etc, sort of makes sense...but the fairy tale stuff, you can keep that

The whole point of putting the tree there was for Adam and Eve to dispay a single act of obedience to God, nothing more. Other than that, the world was theirs and they disobeyed.

God is like a father to us, his children..yes?

Well...any parent would know this..If you put a book on a table (with a non descript cover for mystery..just for effect ) and tell your kids, do not open that book its very important you must not look inside..and then leave the room. What is the first thing that your kids do?
God would have known this too, and being omnipresent (in all times at any instance I imagine, so he can foresee the future and past etc etc) he would already have known what was going to happen, so in a way, he actually wanted Adam to eat it That is if you believe any of that bumpkin.

Anyway I've been round the houses and back again with Swift on the Bible and Christianity...can we move on to other religions. How about the concept of reincarnation
Why is it, that the people who think they are reincarnated, all think they were once famous? How does the mechanism work...does the "soul" hang around in a waiting room...and of course why do all these religions promise that you will live forever in one form or another....who wants to live forever, just think about it.

(Pako about the starving, yes it is criminal that there is enough food to feed the world twice over, I just meant that God could rain a little on Africa, take some of the UK's rain...we get plenty, and no one would miss it )

 

[Dave A]

To location where Eden was can be found from it's description in relation to it's rivers, however the area is not a paradise anymore.

Adam and Eve were not childeren, they were responsible adults, you as an adult go to work in a printing shop, you're told not to put you're fingers in the press, do you? Also God told Adam and Eve not to do it, what it was and what would happen if they did.

 

[Famine]

Adam and Eve were not childeren, they were responsible adults

How can they have been?

They were "created". There was no-one to teach them worldly things like "Do not feed the bears", "Do not walk on the grass" or "Do not stick your tackle into a lion's mouth". There were just the instructions, no education behind them.

How can someone with no experience in anything at all be described as a "responsible adult"?

 

[Swift]

How can they have been?

They were "created". There was no-one to teach them worldly things like "Do not feed the bears", "Do not walk on the grass" or "Do not stick your tackle into a lion's mouth". There were just the instructions, no education behind them.

How can someone with no experience in anything at all be described as a "responsible adult"?

They only had ONE rule. Don't eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That's it. No rules about sex, money, stealing, none of that. Just DON'T eat from the one tree. Fairly simple instructions though I bet I would've messed up myself and ate from it sooner or later.

 

[Dave A]

Adam and Eve were perfect and were given their knowledge by God, they didn't need to be taught not to feed the bears, all the animals were in subjection to them in the garden of Eden in a larger way than they are to humans now. Also the bible doesn't give any account of how old Adam and Eve were wen the sinned, they couldv'e been over 100, thats over 100 years of experience he was 130 when he had his first child. Adam could have been alive far longer than Eve.

 

[Pako]

*snip*

(Pako about the starving, yes it is criminal that there is enough food to feed the world twice over, I just meant that God could rain a little on Africa, take some of the UK's rain...we get plenty, and no one would miss it )

If we have enough food to feed the world twice over, why do we have starving people? How is that God's fault do to lack of godly duties? Sounds like there's more than enough food available. The question is why do we ignore the responsibility given to us to allow this type of starvation to happen?

 

[James2097]

If we have enough food to feed the world twice over, why do we have starving people? How is that God's fault do to lack of godly duties? Sounds like there's more than enough food available. The question is why do we ignore the responsibility given to us to allow this type of starvation to happen?

Greed. Humans are bastards and God is on vacation getting drunk.

 

[Pako]

Don’t know about God getting drunk, but it is definitely attributed to human greed and not God’s negligence that we have people starving. Now that we have completely beat that point to death.

 

[Dave A]

Mankind chose to rule themselves anyway, twice, first with Adam and Eve and second when Jesus was put to death, God hasn't interferred with man since Jesus death, that was prophesied he wouldn't right up until Armageddon.

 

[Gil]

God is like a father to us, his children..yes?

Well...any parent would know this..If you put a book on a table (with a non descript cover for mystery..just for effect ) and tell your kids, do not open that book its very important you must not look inside..and then leave the room. What is the first thing that your kids do?
God would have known this too, and being omnipresent (in all times at any instance I imagine, so he can foresee the future and past etc etc) he would already have known what was going to happen, so in a way, he actually wanted Adam to eat it That is if you believe any of that bumpkin.

Yes, that may be true to some extent now. But if you will re-read the first part of Genesis, you will note that Eve was tempted by Satan in the guise of a Serpent.
She then convinced Adam to eat the fruit.

It wasn't her idea, at first. The Serpent made it look awfully attractive. She gave in to that temptation.

God wanted Adam and Eve to resist the Serpent (Satan) pure and simple.

 

[PS]

Yes, that may be true to some extent now. But if you will re-read the first part of Genesis, you will note that Eve was tempted by Satan in the guise of a Serpent.
She then convinced Adam to eat the fruit.

It wasn't her idea, at first. The Serpent made it look awfully attractive. She gave in to that temptation.

God wanted Adam and Eve to resist the Serpent (Satan) pure and simple.

So she was tempted by Satan...your point? God knew it would happen and obviously wanted him to eat the fruit, so that they would forever worship him and seek forgiveness. Satan is practically Gods b**ch.

 

[Swift]

So she was tempted by Satan...your point? God knew it would happen and obviously wanted him to eat the fruit, so that they would forever worship him and seek forgiveness. Satan is practically Gods b**ch.

Actually, God created satan. So, what's your point exactly?

 

[Famine]

thats over 100 years of experience

Of what, precisely?

What could they experience in a place where sin didn't exist, nothing killed anything else and they didn't need to do anything since it was all done for them?

 

[sicbeing]

Of what, precisely?

What could they experience in a place where sin didn't exist, nothing killed anything else and they didn't need to do anything since it was all done for them?

They couldnt have learned much except to sit there and look at each other's nakedness 👍 , maybe have a little convo with god here and there, eat some stuff, boy what an existance.