RIDOX Replica Garage Fan Club - Suspended

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ALB123
I'm still OVER 10s behind you...on my best lap. Although, I have to run 20 extra kg of ballast - but that shouldn't equate to 10s... :grumpy: :banghead:
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I wouldn't be so sure about that 10 seconds my friend.
In 1993, a local team running BMW M3 Evolutions was hit with a 30kg performance parity adjustment. The team owner & lead driver was absolutely filthy at the first round when following qualifying, his times were 2 to 3 tenths down on a 2km circuit perfectly suited to his car.
When you take into consideration he was using 360bhp in a car now weighing in at 960kg, I think 10 seconds on a 20km lap with a car that weighs more and has less power to compensate for the penalty, you're doing better than you think.
 
Pete05
I wouldn't be so sure about that 10 seconds my friend.
In 1993, a local team running BMW M3 Evolutions was hit with a 30kg performance parity adjustment. The team owner & lead driver was absolutely filthy at the first round when following qualifying, his times were 2 to 3 tenths down on a 2km circuit perfectly suited to his car.
When you take into consideration he was using 360bhp in a car now weighing in at 960kg, I think 10 seconds on a 20km lap with a car that weighs more and has less power to compensate for the penalty, you're doing better than you think.
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I hope so... I'm trying to figure out how much I can abuse the tires on these 3 laps. If you notice, I my fastest lap was my 3rd - no pit stops - so my front tires were like down to 6's or maybe even 5's... I can't remember. That's one thing that stinks about practicing in online mode in the Community Club's - you can't save replay's.
 
DaBomm4
the oil boost always deteriorates at the 200-300 km range, it doesn't matter if it is the first oil change, or an oil change done later.
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From my experience, it isn't true.

If you don't change initially the oil you'll lose stock PP (and hp) much more, more over 300km (mabe 5000). After this, you can do the oil change and you'll get back to the stock PP. This way you'll never get that extra boost which is received at an initial oil change. Your car will have always (until you reach the permanent engine deterioration ~50000km maybe) the stock PP and hp as in the Dealership. :)

If you do the initial oil change, you'll get an extra boost over the stock (Dealership) specs which will be lost in about 300km. Then yo change the oil again and you'll be back at the boosted specs. After this second oil change you'll drive much, much more than 300km (about 5000km) with boosted specs. :cool:

All this started with my advice for @ALB123 to drive the car over 300km to be able to make the second oil change (the first one is mandatory as the tun sheet says) before the weekend's race to not get the oil deterioration exactly in the middle of the race when he'd be under-powered. :crazy: :lol:

:cheers:
 
@danbojte, stock power will stay till that 5000, but power boost above it (that 5%) is gone always after driven +300 km, this from that hastatus test, also own experience shows same. So no matter what odometer starting number is, but after oil change boost last 200km and drops to stock hp during next 100 km (200-300km).

But if there is way to avoid that boost drop I'd like to know it too.
 
@danbojte, is that ballast active during whole month, after every race counted current point table and giving ballast from that?
Like current point table I have 50 points and you have 36, but if I'm finishing 5th on first race and you winning, you'll have 61 and I have 60, then on second race you have +80kg and I have +40kg?
 
OdeFinn
@danbojte, is that ballast active during whole month, after every race counted current point table and giving ballast from that?
Like current point table I have 50 points and you have 36, but if I'm finishing 5th on first race and you winning, you'll have 61 and I have 60, then on second race you have +80kg and I have +40kg?
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No. The ballast success regulation will be applied accordingly to the results in the most recent Race ran in the Club Events and independent from the Championship points (at least for now). ;)

Detailed:
Weekend's 1st Race - ballast based on the last week's last Race Results.
Weekend's 2nd Race - ballast based on the previous Race Results (1st Race Results).

So, always based on the most recent Race. :)

:cheers:
 
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@danbojte, just making sure, you tested/experienced this in GT6? From anything I have experienced, the break in period is gone in GT6. I have barely any cars with oil changes that have gotten a fair bit of use, I have not lost any PP or HP on those cars. (None of my cars have more than 5,000 km on them) (GT5 does have the break in period though.)

Also on the under-powered part, if my understanding of the oil change system is correct, everyone would be at the same general loss of boost at any given point as long as everyone changed their oil before the racing started.
 
DaBomm4
@danbojte, just making sure, you tested/experienced this in GT6? From anything I have experienced, the break in period is gone in GT6. I have barely any cars with oil changes that have gotten a fair bit of use, I have not lost any PP or HP on those cars. (None of my cars have more than 5,000 km on them) (GT5 does have the break in period though.)

Also on the under-powered part, if my understanding of the oil change system is correct, everyone would be at the same general loss of boost at any given point as long as everyone changed their oil before the racing started.
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My "Total Mileage : 129,715.1 km/81,071.9 Miles" in GT6. :D But, I always accept that I could be wrong, I could be outdated over my knowledge. :) 👍


For a car with with oil changed at 0km, not driven at all (our case):

If one drove the car only 100km and is doing the oil change before the Race, and he'll drive the car 150km in the Race, there will be a loss in PP/hp.
Edit: Then he will need to raise the Power Limiter (if it's not already 100%), to achieve the PP/hp allowed, which it shouldn't happen because will not be conform anymore with the tune sheet).

If one drove the car 300-400km (full break-in) and is doing the oil change before the Race, and he'll drive 150km in the Race, there will not be a loss in PP/hp.

:cheers:
 
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danbojte
My "Total Mileage : 129,715.1 km/81,071.9 Miles" in GT6. :D But, I always accept that I could be wrong, I could be outdated over my knowledge. :) 👍


For a car with with oil changed at 0km, not driven at all (our case):

If one drove the car only 100km and is doing the oil change before the Race, and he'll drive the car 150km in the Race, there will be a loss in PP/hp.

If one drove the car 300-400km (full break-in) and is doing the oil change before the Race, and he'll drive 150km in the Race, there will not be a loss in PP/hp.

:cheers:
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Both cases true, case 3 in my experience is also correct.

Case 3: No initial oil change, any mileage driven, from ~0-5,000 km, before the race, then change oil, race the 150 km and also experience no loss in pp/hp.

To test this, I suggest buying 2 of a car, one you drive at SSRX before any oil changes until you get past the break in point, then compare the pp/hp from the un-driven car.


Also, I did read the added note. ;)
 
DaBomm4
Both cases true, case 3 in my experience is also correct.

Case 3: No initial oil change, any mileage driven, from ~0-5,000 km, before the race, then change oil, race the 150 km and also experience no loss in pp/hp.

To test this, I suggest buying 2 of a car, one you drive at SSRX before any oil changes until you get past the break in point, then compare the pp/hp from the un-driven car.


Also, I did read the added note. ;)
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It's not necessary to test because I already agree with your case 3 which is true. 👍 :)
But, in our case, an initial oil change is mandatory due to the tune sheet specs. :sly:

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Actually, the oil change will only be mandatory before the start of the race, there will be no difference in the tune after an oil change. From my experience, I could take the given car, drive 5,000 km, change the oil and match the specs of the tune exactly. (Only in GT6 of course, GT5 actually has break in)
 
DaBomm4
Actually, the oil change will only be mandatory before the start of the race, there will be no difference in the tune after an oil change. From my experience, I could take the given car, drive 5,000 km, change the oil and match the specs of the tune exactly. (Only in GT6 of course, GT5 actually has break in)
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Here is where we do not agree, but I don't contradict you before I'll double check this. ;)
BTW, Will you race tomorrow? I saw you didn't join yet... :)

:cheers:
 
danbojte
Here is where we do not agree, but I don't contradict you before I'll double check this. ;)
BTW, Will you race tomorrow? I saw you didn't join yet... :)

:cheers:
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No, after the first 2 race days, work has been during the races for me, and I will be visiting family the next two weekends also. It was fun to be on the track with you guys, just life is getting in the way here.

I just want everyone to be on the same page with the oil change theories, I could be wrong also though.
 
danbojte
No. The ballast success regulation will be applied accordingly to the results in the most recent Race ran in the Club Events and independent from the Championship points (at least for now). ;)

Detailed:
Weekend's 1st Race - ballast based on the last week's last Race Results.
Weekend's 2nd Race - ballast based on the previous Race Results (1st Race Results).

So, always based on the most recent Race. :)

:cheers:
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So overall points are not used to determine ballast, last race only, so if I end at 4th place on first race then I'm running without ballast on second race? Did I understand this right?
 
DaBomm4
No, after the first 2 race days, work has been during the races for me, and I will be visiting family the next two weekends also. It was fun to be on the track with you guys, just life is getting in the way here.

I just want everyone to be on the same page with the oil change theories, I could be wrong also though.
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You are always welcome when you can enter. 👍
OdeFinn
So overall points are not used to determine ballast, last race only, so if I end at 4th place on first race then I'm running without ballast on second race? Did I understand this right?
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This is correct. 👍

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For the Races we'll use rolling start single-file, with 80 kph speed limit and no overtaking
The Race will Start after the first corner's apex
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We have to do this "manually" because the race settings doesn't offer this option for this track.

So, after the game's START signal, everybody have to line up slowly, one after the other, accordingly to the Starting Grid order posted here.

The first position ( @Thorin Cain for the first Race), have to drive with 80kph speed limit and everyone will follow the car in front of himself.

After reaching the first right turn's apex each driver can accelerate and the Race is considered ON.
It's easy, I did this several times before.

PS: Everybody should read the entire Event's Post patiently and like always, "triple check" :mischievous: :cool: the car's settings before entering the Race Room.
Also it is advisable to join the Race Room early enough to have the necessary time for connection and other compatibility checks to not delay the Race Start time. :) 👍

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joaosoarescso
I was watching both videos of the TMG GT86 Cup car and i notice some teams are using a spoiler, can we had one and put it ti minimum down force?
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This time we better not. :)

I like the rear wings too, in general. Some people are looking at them as a separate part when they are on the car and says that it's ugly on a beautiful car. I see a car with a wing applied, as a whole. :cool:

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Geez...My head is spinning. This is exactly why this whole oil change thing in GT6 is absolutely stupid. In real life, you can NOT buy a car, change the oil and get 25 HP more than the car delivered before the oil change. I understand why some tuners use the oil change in their tunes...it's the only way to get the car to a specific HP/Torque or PP. So, this is just one more example of GT6's crappy tuning options.

I hope, in the future, we can try to avoid using cars that require an oil change in the beginning like this week's Toyota "Racing" 86. I haven't had a lot of time to drive the car - I'm going to try to get 3 more laps in tonight - and now I'm worried that I'll probably end up driving with less horsepower than the tune calls for when my car falls into that magic power loss zone.
 
ALB123
Geez...My head is spinning. This is exactly why this whole oil change thing in GT6 is absolutely stupid. In real life, you can NOT buy a car, change the oil and get 25 HP more than the car delivered before the oil change. I understand why some tuners use the oil change in their tunes...it's the only way to get the car to a specific HP/Torque or PP. So, this is just one more example of GT6's crappy tuning options.

I hope, in the future, we can try to avoid using cars that require an oil change in the beginning like this week's Toyota "Racing" 86. I haven't had a lot of time to drive the car - I'm going to try to get 3 more laps in tonight - and now I'm worried that I'll probably end up driving with less horsepower than the tune calls for when my car falls into that magic power loss zone.
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Think of it as PD's bonus to those who look after their engines :)

I'm about to go and run a few laps now in the practice event if you fancy a chance to feel better about it :lol:
 
Thorin Cain
Think of it as PD's bonus to those who look after their engines :)

I'm about to go and run a few laps now in the practice event if you fancy a chance to feel better about it :lol:
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I'll join ya on the practice track...

I don't mind that we have to do oil changes after a significant amount of miles driven. But, a HP boost over factory specs?! I don't like it. You know me...I want as much realism as I can get. My Lamborghini Aventador comes with 690 Horsepower from the Dealership. That's good. That's accurate. Getting an oil change all of a sudden has my car at 715 HP?! (I don't know what the actual amount is...but it shouldn't even be a 1 hp increase). We shouldn't need oil changes until the engine has XXXX miles on it...
 
ALB123
Oh boy... Ridox did a 9:40.xxx?! Ay Carumba!!! :nervous: :eek: I just did 3 laps around Nurburgring V Circuit.

Lap 1) 10:31.717 (coming out of the pits)
Lap 2) 10:08.143
Lap 3) 10:07.188

This doesn't bode well for me. :guilty: :nervous:
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Those were last night's test laps. I just ran 3 more:

Lap 1) 10:17.998
Lap 2) 10:04.823
Lap 3) 10:08.625

I had a couple mishaps tonight. One on Lap 2 that probably cost me 3 seconds due to lost momentum and one on Lap 3 that probably cost me 2 seconds.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
Bad news for me, my TV has decided to crap out, won't turn on from standby :grumpy: Will need to go have a look inside, most probably the caps are bulging and need replacing :( It's an old Samsung LCD, will need find time to go buy some solder and new caps.
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👎 ::BOO!:: ::HISS!!!:: 👎 That stinks Ridox... :grumpy: Good luck. I hope you can fix it. If that happened to me, the only way I'd be able to fix it is by driving over to Best Buy and pointing to the new Sony XBR and saying "Can you carry it to my car?" :embarrassed:
 
After the Start signal we'll line up on the left side of the track, single file in this order with the cars stopped.

Starting Grid:
1st position: #46 @Thorin Cain

2nd position: #3 @ALB123 + 20 kg at -28

3rd position: #7 @danbojte + 40 kg at -24


4th position: #81 @OdeFinn + 80 kg at -18

5th position: #69 @TurnLeft

6th position: #44 @Brewguy44

7th position: #27 @RMan72

8th position: #21 @joaosoarescso


When I give the Start signal the first positioned car will run with everyone follow him in single file with no more than 80kph and no overtaking.

After the first corner's apex, for each car, the Race is ON.

Room opened. Good luck!
 

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