RKM Motorsport - Tuned Tuners - May '13

Onboy, you totally need to do the Viper GTS now ^_^ I agree the squishy stuff on the Python makes it a bit squiggly but still...you must have done that on purpose :sly:

Maybe I should applicate the Python settings in my 600PP ACR Wangan Beast :mischievous:
 
When I get out of hospital, sure. :P A bit?! Had I done the testing in the PD cup, in a race, I'm pretty certain I would have been bounced off the track or into the R35 that leads the pack. Which, actually, would be quite fun. :lol:

Nope, I just went over the crest, as normal, and the thing just shot me off like a missile! That was going over 180mph as well. :scared:

Wouldn't have happened in a GT-R or the S2000 LM of Holy Justiceness. :sly:
 
Sorry for the long delay. Since this garage implements the "1 review = 1 tune" policy, I'll be putting the review of the Golf in another post so that you can keep track of the reviews easier. As promised, here is one of the cars that I will be reviewing in this garage.


RKM Civic Type R Turbo Review


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I'm actually looking forward to testing this tune because of the game physics in GT5. The game has made FF cars competitive, giving them the grip and handling that they deserve since GT4 and being able to give even some well-tuned RWDs and AWDs a run for their money. I have to be honest, this is quite an expensive tune for a car that can function both as a family sedan and an autocross racer on the weekends. There is a bit of a problem, though. The tune page says the car will have 401hp after the setup, but when I set up my Civic, the engine power only tops at around 389. That's a 20hp loss, which is pretty significant for any car. I think the oil change is supposed to be included in the tune, but since it isn't, I didn't change the car's oil.


First impressions:
High RPM Turbo fitted in a front-wheel drive car, hmmm... to be honest, I had a bad feeling about this. Add to that the engine generates around 400hp, we all know in real life that 400hp is the limit of most FFs, anything more than that and you get nothing but wheelspin at 2nd gear. In spite of that, I'm still looking forward to how the car will perform. I like the bodywork though; the aero parts, wheels and the carbon hood look good on the Civic. Gives it a race-ready feel, if you know what I'm saying. Out to the test track!


Track: Trial Mountain Circuit / Forward
Arcade Mode - Time Trial


I like the sound of the exhaust. It may give a "ricer" expression to most people, but that's just how a tuned Civic sounds. High pitch. No growl. Smooth exhaust. Before I started to do a test run, I knew I had to test out the overall handling and feel of the car. As soon as I get to control the car, I tried to trail-brake the last S-curve of the track, but got off the racing line and it was pretty hard to get back without losing a lot of speed. Sector 1, the high-speed uphill. Same story; trail-braked, got off the racing line and lost a lot of speed. I knew then that I had to brake early into corners. So I did, and I cleared the first mountain suprisingly smooth. The car has nice accel-off turning, and managing the throttle throughout the tunnel was easy. I floored it just as I was about to clear the tunnel and I can feel the wheelspin trying its best to accelerate the car, with success. Next up is the square corner-like turn. Since I know trail-braking doesn't quite work for this car, I braked early, slow down just enough to turn the car smoothly while managing the throttle. I punched it on the exit, I felt the wheelspin again. I saw the tire meter in the HUD that the outer drive wheel was spinning, not the inner drive wheel. That made me happy, because the differential was set up so well to compensate for the turbo. I cleared the rest of the track with a bit of a challenge. One more issue I have with the car is the acceleration. A quick change in the elevation of the track can cause wheelspin while accelerating, even at 4th gear. The car had erratic acceleration, which I found quite uncomfortable. I found this out at the second mountain in the long straight. I tackled the long sweeper with relative ease, and the car accelerated out of the corner very smoothly, as I had expected. Knowing the car's behavior, I had no problem with the third mountain. Once again, as I exited the corner before the downhill, the outer drive wheel began to spin. Excellent. The high-speed S-curve, the last part of the course, was tricky. But I managed to get a 175 kph exit speed on the last corner. After that, I tested its standing-start ability. Stop-start was smooth, until the turbo kicks in and makes the front wheels spin like crazy. I tried a jump start, managing the throttle was quite hard, again because of the turbo. Then I tested the car's braking ability again. The brakes are both good and bad. It can make the car stop on a dime, but you can't trail-brake. I did some more laps with the car and set the fastest time that I can, 1:34.006.


Pros:
- Power upgrades made this car pretty fast
- Corner exit is smooth because of LSD setup


Cons:
- Trail-brake this car and it will eat grass/gravel/guard rail etc.
- Erratic acceleration at bumpy courses because of High RPM Turbo



Recommendations:
- Re-tune brakes and suspension to give the car better handling
- Swap High RPM Turbo for Mid RPM Turbo for better overall balance of the car

Rating based on review: 8/10
 
Thanks for the review! Glad to have you back to writing too! :D

There is a bit of a problem, though. The tune page says the car will have 401hp after the setup, but when I set up my Civic, the engine power only tops at around 389. That's a 20hp loss, which is pretty significant for any car. I think the oil change is supposed to be included in the tune, but since it isn't, I didn't change the car's oil.

I'll just start off by clearing this up. The car has been fully broken in (186mi/300km), giving it a power increase of 12bhp or so over a fresh car. It has not had an additional oil change.

Pros:
- Power upgrades made this car pretty fast
- Corner exit is smooth because of LSD setup

Cons:
- Trail-brake this car and it will eat grass/gravel/guard rail etc.
- Erratic acceleration at bumpy courses because of High RPM Turbo

Recommendations:
- Re-tune brakes and suspension to give the car better handling
- Swap High RPM Turbo for Mid RPM Turbo for better overall balance of the car

Rating based on review: 8/10

Yeah, the CTR Turbo isn't the best for bumpy tracks. For that, you'll need the NA version, the Yukamobile. :D The Civic is at its limit at 400bhp though, to be honest. 350bhp is where it feels best and an all-motor setup is driving heaven. :embarrassed: The brakes probabably do need a slight tweak so it bites harder. Considering the settings are over a year old, the suspension probably does need a good looking at anyway. 👍
 
Thanks for the review! Glad to have you back to writing too! :D

I'll just start off by clearing this up. The car has been fully broken in (186mi/300km), giving it a power increase of 12bhp or so over a fresh car. It has not had an additional oil change.

ah, so you overhauled the engine. I see. 👍

Yeah, the CTR Turbo isn't the best for bumpy tracks. For that, you'll need the NA version, the Yukamobile. :D The Civic is at its limit at 400bhp though, to be honest. 350bhp is where it feels best and an all-motor setup is driving heaven. :embarrassed: The brakes probabably do need a slight tweak so it bites harder. Considering the settings are over a year old, the suspension probably does need a good looking at anyway. 👍

I forgot to add that the Civic is good for smooth tracks with round corners :D, say Cape Ring. The Yukamobile looks good, very well presented. Will try it out after the Golf review.

I think I'll keep the Civic in my garage and play around with the setup. It's quite a fun car to drive, with the challenge of managing the wheelspin. :)
 
Actually, he drove 300km prior to tuning or something. That's what you call breaking in the engine. Driving 300km to increase horsepower. :P

huh? Driving 300km to increase power? :confused: That's new. :dunce:
 
ah, so you overhauled the engine. I see. 👍

I forgot to add that the Civic is good for smooth tracks with round corners :D, say Cape Ring. The Yukamobile looks good, very well presented. Will try it out after the Golf review.

I think I'll keep the Civic in my garage and play around with the setup. It's quite a fun car to drive, with the challenge of managing the wheelspin. :)

Not even overhauled it. Like uMadson? said, it's just pure mileage adding on power. Something GT4 didn't have.

Yeah, it's definately a good tool to learning how to deal with FF wheelspin. 👍
 
It's actually 630-ish (the Citroen is 640-ish) but it's not like the AI put up much of a fight anyway. All you need is 5 clean laps under 1:20.
but but but... WHY does that tune as you have it not work??? Im not being overly critical here Im saying they changed something. You cannot give it Engine 3 only a Turbo 3. Either the parts you have under the tune are (!)'d out or already installed. I put Turbo 3 on it instead, plopped all the settings as listed and the car still underperforms.
B Spec lvl 37 drivers:
Nurburgring: 5th place, almost lapped by top 2
Tokyo: 5th place again almost lapped
Indy: 11th place almost lapped again

A-Spec: SSR5: 11th place best lap of 1:30:15 (leaders have 1:23s)

All Seasonal races.

I want to like this car and tune but it is been gimped somehow.
 
Ok…out of hospital now from the crash that left me slightly killed, so, back to it.

Viper GTS- 1:29.185
First impressions weren't good. Having just recovered from being bounced off the track by the Python, I'm sat here wondering if the GTS was going to kill me through epic understeer. It just refused to follow your instructions, until you are nearly missing the apex, then it decides, "Hmmm…I might want to turn now……". Not something I'd want when going at 130mph in the corners. And then I got to the tight twisty bits of Trial Mountain's many turns. My god is this thing a handful. It's either lively as hell, understeers more than a FF shod on comfort tyres, or drives something like the Oreca Viper, depending on how you drive it. Or rather, depending on how the GTS feels like at the given moment.

When it feels like being a lively bugger to drive, the steering is almost weightless, it feels very, very light and edgy but refuses to whip its tail out unless full throttle is used. It's still an old American car, with old American car handling. And the extra power that the truck V10 powering it wields only adds to the issues. To drive this car correctly, you must give it time to react. Turn left, wait for response, when you have it, you give it a bootful of power and then, when the front pushes, even slightly, you're off. But if it doesn't push, you'll be cornering really, really quickly indeed.

It's hard to sum this up, because for the most part, it's not exactly nice to drive, it's still rather cumbersome and all, but the thing is…I actually like driving it. There's a sense of lunacy and bravery to driving a stock Viper, and even more so here, it's a very rewarding experience when you get it right.
 
but but but... WHY does that tune as you have it not work??? Im not being overly critical here Im saying they changed something. You cannot give it Engine 3 only a Turbo 3. Either the parts you have under the tune are (!)'d out or already installed. I put Turbo 3 on it instead, plopped all the settings as listed and the car still underperforms.
B Spec lvl 37 drivers:
Nurburgring: 5th place, almost lapped by top 2
Tokyo: 5th place again almost lapped
Indy: 11th place almost lapped again

A-Spec: SSR5: 11th place best lap of 1:30:15 (leaders have 1:23s)

All Seasonal races.

I want to like this car and tune but it is been gimped somehow.
I do usually add the pre-installed parts to the parts list too, just incase I miss something that I've added myself. Not sure about the engine parts though, maybe it's a typo on my part. The stats should match up though.

Well that's B-Spec for you. You really need to use something like a 2J or Aventador to win those comfortably. The Falcon is a car that'll perform in your hands, not Bob's.
 
Achyllis
Sapphire why must your clan keep leaving when I join your games in MW3? ;_;

Sowwy >_< the guys are picky about who we play with usually, too many annoying players :dopey: not you though, you managed to kill me from every angle, not the same corner :sly:
 
Oh I guess so...requests are yours! Just be nice ;)

Since the final piece to the RKM tuned Super GT500 puzzle is the Lexus SC430, how about tuning one of them? Or would you rather the IS350 GT300? Or neither? :lol:

Edit: Is anyone online on GT5 at the moment? My friends list isn't showing anyone as being online, heck it doesn't show anyone at all! And I can't access my friends list which means I have to actually grind my ass off to buy the frickin' Miura that I had Roj put on share for me&#8230;:grumpy:
 
Apparently you're not even online yourself Onboy. Internet trouble on your end perhaps?

Also I didn't realise you STILL haven't borrowed the Miura. I took it off a few days ago because I thought you used it already. I'll put it back up. :lol:
 
Apparently you're not even online yourself Onboy. Internet trouble on your end perhaps?

Also I didn't realise you STILL haven't borrowed the Miura. I took it off a few days ago because I thought you used it already. I'll put it back up. :lol:

Oh…? Errr…meh, I'll restart the system then.

I would have told you it's fine to take it off share if I did finish with it. :lol: Thanks, shouldn't be long.
 
Onboy123
Since the final piece to the RKM tuned Super GT500 puzzle is the Lexus SC430, how about tuning one of them? Or would you rather the IS350 GT300? Or neither? :lol:

Edit: Is anyone online on GT5 at the moment? My friends list isn't showing anyone as being online, heck it doesn't show anyone at all! And I can't access my friends list which means I have to actually grind my ass off to buy the frickin' Miura that I had Roj put on share for me&hellip;:grumpy:

Well I guess I'll have to get out my Petronas then...and anything else? :D
 
Dragonthing
Sowwy >_< the guys are picky about who we play with usually, too many annoying players :dopey: not you though, you managed to kill me from every angle, not the same corner :sly:

Gotcha. I really like to listen to you guys and your accents. So jealous...
 
I've just come across you guys, and I'm blown away by the amount of tunes you guys have! I'll be kept busy next time I fire up GT5 :P

Oh by the way, for the spring rates and dampers etc, is it the greater the number, the stiffer the spring, or the other way around?
 
I've just come across you guys, and I'm blown away by the amount of tunes you guys have! I'll be kept busy next time I fire up GT5 :P

Oh by the way, for the spring rates and dampers etc, is it the greater the number, the stiffer the spring, or the other way around?

The greater the number, the stiffer the spring. 👍
 
I was just curious cause I happened upon these pages and saw a tune for my favorite car. The Honda NSX R. I see that you guys have quite the following but it's like the blind leading the blind here. Sorry but if you are willing to put your stuff online then you better be ready to take some critism. So here goes.
I was curious to see what the TOP tuners on GTP could do so i plugged in your tune for the NSX R on setting sheet C of my NSX R. Keep in mind mine has 460hp and has no GT Auto wing on the back of it. First impressions are that this thing turns in too fast and the rear breaks out unexpectedly. So I had to adjust my driving style. After a several laps on trial mountain I got it down to 1:27ish. Still I can feel it wanting to show me it rear end. Then i went back to my tune and all is good. I did a 1:22 on the first run. My set up is just WAY more stable (even without the GTA wannabe wing). I can jab the throttle with 460hp on tap without worrying about the rear end swinging out. Also keep in mind this is all done with RS tires and DFGT. I would give your NSX R tune a big thumbs down.
 
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