Round 3 Excuses

[GT Motion]

I am updating my excuse. I am waiting for primer to dry so I came in to burn some time, and decided to give it another shot.

My official excuse is going to be that I can't feel the grip of the tires well enough through the game. So the combination of that and not feeling torque at all is causing me to never get full control of the 370z, I haven't even touched Eifel because I know if I can't get my Indy time down its pointless. At Indy I am constantly stepping out the rear end, and noticing I am putting too much throttle in from the telemetry, something that I would be able to adjust to and change my style a little bit if I can actually feel the torque while accelerating.

I personally have way too hard of a time understanding through visual and audio what the tires are doing and add to that not feeling the torque I am just losing it. I can put down decent laps consistently, but I just cant push the envelope like some of you guys can to find the "edge" because I can't even feel when I am close to it or over it until its too late. I am not a quitter, but this is the first time I actually entered some sort of "competition" for TT's and its tough for me to accept that I am not at a high enough level yet to compete with the fastest guys. When we had replays enabled, I would watch the replays and I would say "sure, I can do that, looks basic" because I know that I can, but when I actually go to do it the car starts wandering off I start losing grip and scrubbing speed etc because I just can't feel it well enough.

 

[mcswrks]

My excuse? Spent too much time on this damn forum rather than driving.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I can put down decent laps consistently, but I just cant push the envelope like some of you guys can to find the "edge" because I can't even feel when I am close to it or over it until its too late.

I think if we were doing this contest based on consistency, I'd be doing a lot better. I did 3-4 laps last night at indy within a tenth of a second of each other, all in a row.

 

[GTPvw_slc]

Simply put Im top 20 material. Not top 8. NE has some bonafide gamers. I hope someone from the NE goes on to win it. And SSR wheels are fantastic. Got a set on my corrado. To bad I'm incapable of posting pictures. haha

 

[JerseyBoy85ss]

I feel ya on that turbo I don't know how many 17.8s I ran in a row last night at eifel. Quite frustrating when I was trying to improve on a .7.

 

[GT Motion]

Simply put Im top 20 material. Not top 8. NE has some bonafide gamers. I hope someone from the NE goes on to win it. And SSR wheels are fantastic. Got a set on my corrado. To bad I'm incapable of posting pictures. haha

Yea, I was top 30 in my region for Round 1, I thought if I really pushed it I could get up closer to the cuts. Right now I am 60th or something for my region on Indy, I know I could at least get back to 30th or maybe in the top 20 but to make it to the top 8 on both tracks seems like a stretch for me right now.

 

[VagaXt]

Yea, I was top 30 in my region for Round 1, I thought if I really pushed it I could get up closer to the cuts. Right now I am 60th or something for my region on Indy, I know I could at least get back to 30th or maybe in the top 20 but to make it to the top 8 on both tracks seems like a stretch for me right now.

If it makes you feel any better, maybe we should go karting at K1 and beat up on some unsuspecting usuals to make us

I've falling to 20th with no improvements in 3 days now. I wished the contest was for only a day or two in length. I would have qualified in the Top 8 for learning very very quickly.

 

[Z1NONLY]

I know what you mean. I was still in the top 8 Tuesday.

I have since fallen into the 20's.

0.1 second improvement Wednesday and no improvement at all yesterday.

 

[blindsidefive0]

Excuse: I took the night off yesterday because my wife and I went to

 

[Forcednduckshn]

Excuse: I took the night off yesterday because my wife and I went to

"Oh is that a rainbow?!?! Yeah- do me on it!" -Anchorman

 

[GT Motion]

Excuse: I took the night off yesterday because my wife and I went to

Well that's my excuse then too, I don't have a wife but I take myself to pleasure town several times a day.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Well that's my excuse then too, I don't have a wife but I take myself to pleasure town several times a day.

Dude, too much info.

 

[manhorsedog]

Well that's my excuse then too, I don't have a wife but I take myself to pleasure town several times a day.

Hahahahahahaha I just spit out my coffee!

 

[zr1chris]

...no Top 10 replays to watch.

Cant use that one anymore.

 

[GTP_ozBimmer]

No I don't have the m3 anymore. I got rid of the car and I just sold the wheels I had on it, trying to sell the coilovers.

I got a '72 Datsun 510, I am putting track suspension and bigger brakes on it this week hopefully. I was running 18x9 all around on the m3, the tires were 255 or 245 18's and were a pain to replace. The wheels were nice though, they only weighed 14lbs each which was pretty good for 18x9's. The 510 is running on 15" wheels so I will spend a lot less money on tires, and the 510 is more fun, almost a thousand pounds lighter.

What kind of rims did you have? 14lbs is light

 

[Forcednduckshn]

Well that's my excuse then too, I don't have a wife but I take myself to pleasure town several times a day.

BAHAHAHAHHAHA 👍

 

[RedlineGTS]

Excuse: I took the night off yesterday because my wife and I went to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o
my thoughts exactly

 

[GT Motion]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o
my thoughts exactly

omfg how have I never seen these guys before? **** in my pants is hilarious...

 

[scir16v]

Well that's my excuse then too, I don't have a wife but I take myself to pleasure town several times a day.

TMI bro TMI ROFL

 

[realfrankdux]

I wont make it because Nissan cannot design a car that performs on anything less than semislicks. Seriously I've thrown bricks that handle better than this piece. For the guys quicker than my 2.18.7 kudos.

 

[Z1NONLY]

I wont make it because Nissan cannot design a car that performs on anything less than semislicks. Seriously I've thrown bricks that handle better than this piece. For the guys quicker than my 2.18.7 kudos.

IRL, the car comes on super-sticky summer tires. (aka sport soft) I think someone making the car/tire/track combos has a twisted sense of humor.

 

[blindsidefive0]

IRL, the car comes on super-sticky summer tires. (aka sport soft) I think someone making the car/tire/track combos has a twisted sense of humor.

Check out r1600turbo's spec miata - in his series, that car has sports softs which are well beyond the stickiness of any tire you can get from Tire Rack, including r-compounds like Hoosiers...

 

[Raigekijin]

Welp. I was unfortunately never able to really get into this round. I was consistently running lap times that were 3 seconds off the top 8 pace and just couldn't figure it out at all. On top of that this was the week I had to send in all my applications to law schools for the fall. I'll tell you what though, the competition and the people (you guys) have really reaffirmed my desire to take a real course and get into a local spec series or something whenever I have money.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Check out r1600turbo's spec miata - in his series, that car has sports softs which are well beyond the stickiness of any tire you can get from Tire Rack, including r-compounds like Hoosiers...

Just FYI, we're dropping to Sport Mediums for next season.

 

[VagaXt]

Just FYI, we're dropping to Sport Mediums for next season.

Yes, it should be Sport Medium. The g-meter data will tell you the road holding capabilities similar to an RA1 and an NT01 R-comp tire. But IMO just to make it interesting, Sport Hards make the SM racing even more fun.

 

[GT Motion]

Check out r1600turbo's spec miata - in his series, that car has sports softs which are well beyond the stickiness of any tire you can get from Tire Rack, including r-compounds like Hoosiers...

How is it that you determine that sport softs are stickier than anything that tire rack sells? From the description?

If I go from how the "grip feels" in the game, then I would say the sport softs "feel" like Michelin Pilot Sport Cups etc, thats what I think of when I think of sport soft. I dont care what the descriptions say, I care about how the car feels on the tires. I would say sport mediums are something like PS2's, again, not from description, but from in game performance.

 

[Z1NONLY]

Check out r1600turbo's spec miata - in his series, that car has sports softs which are well beyond the stickiness of any tire you can get from Tire Rack, including r-compounds like Hoosiers...

I track my 350Z IRL on "sport soft" street tires. I also drive a lot of other cars on everything from bone-stock all-season "comfort hard" to A-6 "race soft" tires.

Fore street tires, (sport soft) I'm partial to star spec's and the new Hankooks, but neither are available in my sizes, so I run the Kumho XS's.

 

[blindsidefive0]

How is it that you determine that sport softs are stickier than anything that tire rack sells? From the description?

If I go from how the "grip feels" in the game, then I would say the sport softs "feel" like Michelin Pilot Sport Cups etc, thats what I think of when I think of sport soft. I dont care what the descriptions say, I care about how the car feels on the tires. I would say sport mediums are something like PS2's, again, not from description, but from in game performance.

Right, I'm going by the feel in the game. I've tracked a Miata on both street tires and R-compound tires. Based on the g's and mid-corner balance it's obvious that the sports soft tires are way beyond what I was driving on. No, the Spec Miata doesn't have a lot of power...but no, you can't just stomp on the throttle mid corner and not even get a single degree of rotation.

I've also gone through a few different sets of r-compounds on my 325i and my dad's 964. Obviously, there's no 325i in the game, but in similar FR cars with ~175-200hp and 3000-3200lbs the power/braking/cornering speeds that you can lay down aren't even close.

Comparable IRL lap times at tracks like Tsukuba, Laguna Seca, Top Gear Test Track, Nurburgring all confirm that the sports tires are fastER than what professionals can pull off with r-comps. For example, at Tsukuba we were all doing 1:05's (some 1:04's) with a stock 370z on comfort soft tires. Good laps at that track with r-compound tires are a good 1-2 seconds slower. I know the physics aren't exactly the same, which is why I'm not saying that sports hards are as fast as racing slicks (as the IRL times would indicate on street cars). However, I suspect that if you could physically feel how fast you are going in the game, it would be more apparent that 35mph around the Tsukuba hairpin is actually moving pretty well.

In real life when you can feel what's going on you might be "as comfortable" at the limit with a PS2 as you are with a "sports medium" in the game because the game has limited feedback at the limit. However, if you analyze the data you really are going way faster than street tires if you are at the limit in the game.

 

[blindsidefive0]

Yes, it should be Sport Medium. The g-meter data will tell you the road holding capabilities similar to an RA1 and an NT01 R-comp tire. But IMO just to make it interesting, Sport Hards make the SM racing even more fun.

Exactly. And if you consider that the game always has optimal tire/track temps, is perfectly clean, and the tires are always perfectly fresh...sports hards are probably the most similar to the RA1's that the series runs IRL.

 

[GT Motion]

Right, I'm going by the feel in the game. I've tracked a Miata on both street tires and R-compound tires. Based on the g's and mid-corner balance it's obvious that the sports soft tires are way beyond what I was driving on. No, the Spec Miata doesn't have a lot of power...but no, you can't just stomp on the throttle mid corner and not even get a single degree of rotation.

I've also gone through a few different sets of r-compounds on my 325i and my dad's 964. Obviously, there's no 325i in the game, but in similar FR cars with ~175-200hp and 3000-3200lbs the power/braking/cornering speeds that you can lay down aren't even close.

Comparable IRL lap times at tracks like Tsukuba, Laguna Seca, Top Gear Test Track, Nurburgring all confirm that the sports tires are fastER than what professionals can pull off with r-comps. For example, at Tsukuba we were all doing 1:05's (some 1:04's) with a stock 370z on comfort soft tires. Good laps at that track with r-compound tires are a good 1-2 seconds slower. I know the physics aren't exactly the same, which is why I'm not saying that sports hards are as fast as racing slicks (as the IRL times would indicate on street cars). However, I suspect that if you could physically feel how fast you are going in the game, it would be more apparent that 35mph around the Tsukuba hairpin is actually moving pretty well.

In real life when you can feel what's going on you might be "as comfortable" at the limit with a PS2 as you are with a "sports medium" in the game because the game has limited feedback at the limit. However, if you analyze the data you really are going way faster than street tires if you are at the limit in the game.

I think the tires model is just bogus, the data you receive from G's, descriptions of compounds etc all make it out to be a bit fishy. I have been in cars like Carrera GT's which had their stock PS2's on them, and if they had comfort softs or sport hards they would not have cornered as well. Comfort softs in this game have you sliding everywhere and you have constant understeer. I am not saying anyone is wrong, I am thinking the tire model is just a bit bogus because there is no way a Pilot Cup tire handles as bad as sport hards or mediums imo

I also personally have driven super hard Michelin Pilot PS2's, and Advan R comps, and another thing is tire noise, when you start losing traction you don't get those drastic screeching sounds like you do in a cheaper street tire, in the game comfort softs are screaming loud. I think something is off, there is no way Pilot PS2's are equivalent to comfort softs in my opinion like your implying, I would give them sport hards/mediums, not comfort soft.