Round 3 Excuses

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GT Motion
I think the tires model is just bogus, the data you receive from G's, descriptions of compounds etc all make it out to be a bit fishy. I have been in cars like Carrera GT's which had their stock PS2's on them, and if they had comfort softs or sport hards they would not have cornered as well. Comfort softs in this game have you sliding everywhere and you have constant understeer. I am not saying anyone is wrong, I am thinking the tire model is just a bit bogus because there is no way a Pilot Cup tire handles as bad as sport hards or mediums imo

I also personally have driven super hard Michelin Pilot PS2's, and Advan R comps, and another thing is tire noise, when you start losing traction you don't get those drastic screeching sounds like you do in a cheaper street tire. I think something is off, there is no way Pilot PS2's are equivalent to comfort softs in my opinion like your implying, I would give them sport hards/mediums, not comfort soft.
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It's not your real world experience that I'm disagreeing with.

And, yes, the tire model is pretty weak - better than Forza, nowhere near other sims, IMO.

Understeer upon corner entry, whether IRL or in the game, is generally because you are going too fast. I think that in the game it's just harder to realize that you are actually entering a corner well beyond the limit of the real world counterparts of the tires on the car.
 
blindsidefive0
Understeer upon corner entry, whether IRL or in the game, is generally because you are going too fast. I think that in the game it's just harder to realize that you are actually entering a corner well beyond the limit of the real world counterparts of the tires on the car.
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Yea thats possible, but I still feel the comfort softs are too weak. Going around corners in an S2K on the comfort softs that come with the car seem a little off. I have driven an AP2 s2000 and the car stays planted with the stock tires the majority of the time, but in the game the car starts sliding out, all four tires start to lose grip and the whole car starts to drift out towards the edge, something that never happened when I drove the stock s2k. Put the car on sport hards and it acts a little more like the car that I drove. I am not saying you are entirely wrong its just hard to believe that decent handling cars would push like that and slide all fours tires so easily.

It comes across to me that what you are saying is that tires like these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7b18LmtlxU would be considered "comfort soft", I just can't agree with that.
 
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blindsidefive0
It's not your real world experience that I'm disagreeing with.

And, yes, the tire model is pretty weak - better than Forza, nowhere near other sims, IMO.

Understeer upon corner entry, whether IRL or in the game, is generally because you are going too fast. I think that in the game it's just harder to realize that you are actually entering a corner well beyond the limit of the real world counterparts of the tires on the car.
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I agree with this. Understeer and the feeling of tires not acting right are due to more bravery in the game.

I don't know if I'm qualified to make claim between reality and simulated reality of the game, but if you've seen my vids of me driving Laguna Seca IRL and in the game, I ended up matching times closely with both my Miatas on comfort soft (Azenis RT615K) and Sport Medium (Nitto NT01). Didn't cheat with pounding too many laps (15-20 laps when I first bought the game in December), didn't shortcut the course, and drove in the game as I would IRL (die if I crashed).
 
My hard disk is corrupted :( Trying to recover now but doesn't look good :(

edit: fantastic. my ps3 is toasted.
 
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notmychoice
My hard disk is corrupted :( Trying to recover now but doesn't look good :(

edit: fantastic. my ps3 is toasted.
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Damn dude, that sucks. I think next payday I'm going to splurge and get myself a new PS3 Slim just so I don't have to go through that. My old fatty system is like a ticking time bomb here.:scared:
 
$330, 190 more gigabytes, 15 less pounds, no more backwards compatibility :(, 3 system updates and 3 game updates and I'll be out on the track for the first time today :P
 
I would be really interested to jailbreak a PS3 and have a look at the coding for GT5. Not that I could make sense of any of it, but in the event I could, it would be nice to check out how the driving physics are written.

There have been a few times at Indy where I'm mid-corner and suddenly the car grips just a tiny bit more with no change to throttle, brakes, or steering. Not a huge change, but definitely noticeable when you're tuned in to the car. Like something is towing the car forward and around the bend. Call me crazy, but it's almost as if the perfect combination of speed, throttle/brakes, steering, weight transfer for a specific point on track will grant you bonus points, so to speak. I know this sounds more like simply proper driving, but when I've noticed it, it has been kind of an on/off phenomena.

All claims of being "The Real Driving Simulator" aside, this is a video game more or less intended for the general population and "bonus points" are, by no means, a new thing to video games.

Then again, maybe I'm just a closet conspiracy theorist looking for excuses.
 
Okay, I have a good excuse now, I promise! My glasses broke at work today, my backup pair...so I can't really see the tv and my appointment for new glasses is Wednesday. Damn!
 
Always good to know your contact prescription as you can get those same day where glasses take a week.
 
RSnider
I would be really interested to jailbreak a PS3 and have a look at the coding for GT5. Not that I could make sense of any of it, but in the event I could, it would be nice to check out how the driving physics are written.

There have been a few times at Indy where I'm mid-corner and suddenly the car grips just a tiny bit more with no change to throttle, brakes, or steering. Not a huge change, but definitely noticeable when you're tuned in to the car. Like something is towing the car forward and around the bend. Call me crazy, but it's almost as if the perfect combination of speed, throttle/brakes, steering, weight transfer for a specific point on track will grant you bonus points, so to speak. I know this sounds more like simply proper driving, but when I've noticed it, it has been kind of an on/off phenomena.

All claims of being "The Real Driving Simulator" aside, this is a video game more or less intended for the general population and "bonus points" are, by no means, a new thing to video games.

Then again, maybe I'm just a closet conspiracy theorist looking for excuses.
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I've often wondered about the physics model in the game doing this, as if there is one magic line that goes beyond what is intended in the model. When you do it just right you are rewarded with a better handling car.
 
scir16v
I've often wondered about the physics model in the game doing this, as if there is one magic line that goes beyond what is intended in the model. When you do it just right you are rewarded with a better handling car.
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Exactly!
 
Sucks to be sick on the final damn round. I did 2 laps at Indy on Monday, and got sick later that night. Only started driving yesterday and I'm still not feeling 100%. Horrible timing, but I will give it my all tomorrow.
 
notmychoice
Not if you have astigmatism, then it takes a whole week :D
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Hey, that's me! Haha. But I borrowed glasses from a friend so now he's blind :-D but the prescription isn't perfect either (not to mention the astigmatism) but I still picked up a whole second on eifel! I think I'm in the top 20 now.

Oh well, back to grinding down that final 1.5 seconds overall...
 
Choate51
So I guess that X1 is lost too. And all of that awesome pink too.
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Yup :( I've got a buddy who's a hardware guy so we're gonna try to get it runnin again or at least recover the data....but hey, this way all my new times say a-0 b-0 which makes me look like a badass :D
 
notmychoice
Yup :( I've got a buddy who's a hardware guy so we're gonna try to get it runnin again or at least recover the data....but hey, this way all my new times say a-0 b-0 which makes me look like a badass :D
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Or a complete loser that only bought the game for GT academy..........


















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GT Motion
Go buy Killzone 3 so we can shoot some shtt
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Lol dude, I just got back from gamestop like 4 hours ago, you shoulda said that before I went so I coulda gotten the bundle :dopey:
Lol either that or I could have gotten the move bundle :crazy:
 
GODDAMNIT. My PS3 just YLOD'd with my GT5 disk inside! Grabbed my phone to call my buddy to borrow his and my phone won't turn on. Just my ****ing luck. I... I am at a complete loss for words. I had a legit shot at making top 8, too. Gamestop is closed, Best Buy is closed, Walmart only has the $400 (which I don't have) bundle in stock.

Looks like I'm done. This ****ing sucks. Someone shoot me.
 
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