Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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@inCloud Seeing the report of the Pope this morning, made me wonder, what is the attitude of the Russian Orthodox Church to what is going on?
With all protestors and media being removed in Russia, is there any circumstance where the Church could/would become a tangible opposition?
What happens, for example, if (almost inevitably when) the Cathedral in Kiev is hit/flattened by artillery strikes. That is surely going to raise some difficult conversations in Church services?
Not that everything else going on shouldn't already be causing them already, but Churches are historically a bit picky about symbols like Cathedrals?
With all protestors and media being removed in Russia, is there any circumstance where the Church could/would become a tangible opposition?
What happens, for example, if (almost inevitably when) the Cathedral in Kiev is hit/flattened by artillery strikes. That is surely going to raise some difficult conversations in Church services?
Not that everything else going on shouldn't already be causing them already, but Churches are historically a bit picky about symbols like Cathedrals?
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I'm sure they're in favor of the war.
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Personal identity. Personal feeling.
I am Welsh and English is my first language (Welsh is actually my fifth language). I grew up half a kilometre from the English border. But I'm Welsh and have singularly only ever felt Welsh. Other people I know feel differently.
My Ukrainian friends in Slovakia are all first-language Russian speakers and they also make the point that desite speaking Russian, they have always been Ukrainian.
Not every French speaker is French.
Not every German speaker is German.
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Officially pro war, some members dont support this. There is one fine for antiwar speech from priest.
Its Ukrainian Orthodox Church
Bad. Some brainwashed, other in depression or trying to dont care.
I mean if russian soliders see them or even ask something. I am like 10% Ukrainian myself, but look like someone from Balkans or Jew.
Sure, I am not saying that Ukrainians are same as Russians. But its hard to tell who Infront of you, East Ukrainians and Russians looks and speak identically. There is more difference between Russian from Rostov and Saint Petersburg then between Russian from Rostov and Ukrainian from Kharkiv.
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Don't forget that Stalin was seemingly on the verge of launching his very own, paranoid, antisemitic holocaust right before he died. Stalin was a really really bad guy.I really don't think what Russia is doing in Ukraine right now qualifies as "genocide", nor do I think what Ukrainians might have done in Donbass qualifies as genocide. There is no systematic attempt to wipe out an entire ethnic/racial/religious/political group.
What the Nazi Germany did under Hitler was terrible, but what communist Russia did under Stalin wasn't much better.
... the Soviet elimination of a social class, the kulaks (who were higher-income farmers), and the subsequent killer famine among all Ukrainian peasants – as well as the notorious 1937 order No. 00447 that called for the mass execution and exile of “socially harmful elements” as “enemies of the people” – were, in fact, genocide. Stalin had nearly a million of his own citizens executed, beginning in the 1930s. Millions more fell victim to forced labor, deportation, famine, massacres, and detention and interrogation by Stalin’s henchmen.
Stalin killed millions. A Stanford historian answers the question, was it genocide?
When it comes to use of the word “genocide,” public opinion has been kinder to Stalin than Hitler. But one historian looks at Stalin’s mass killings and urges that the definition of genocide be widened.news.stanford.edu
So ex-KGB officer Putin accusing Ukrainians of being "nazis" is disingenuous at best. Unlike Germany, Russia has never really been forced to acknowledge its own brutal totalitarian history. One of the ironies of this, is that fact that the power vacuum created by the emasculation of German militarism is precisely what has allowed Russian military imperialism to flourish.
Question for Russia - of all the places that the US & NATO could choose to develop chemical/bioweapons, why would they choose Ukraine? Has anyone tried to explain that logic?
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To provoke the bear that is absolutely, never aggressive and always tells the truth.
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Why would anyone try to explain logic behind QAnon-tier bull**** conspiracy theories? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.(c)
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In a disturbing new development, Russia has requested China to provide military equipment, etc. to support its faltering campaign in Ukraine. Usually it's Russia that supplies China with equipment. In response, the US has said a lifeline to Russia would not be allowed from anywhere in the world. So additional ugly steps in the globalization of this conflict.
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There are rumblings of an early diplomatic solution between the warring parties. However, this is likely to be preceded by a crescendo of violence.
von Clausewitz: War is politics by other means.
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There are rumblings of an early diplomatic solution between the warring parties. However, this is likely to be preceded by a crescendo of violence.
von Clausewitz: War is politics by other means.
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Sorry to break it to you but medieval chivalry was pretty much a myth, and where it did apply it was only for the 'landed' and not for the un-landed peasantry, who were exploited constantly.
What Did The Relationship Between Medieval Knights And Peasants Actually Look Like?
In 1023, Bishop Warin of Beauvais suggested a few additions to the knight's oath. Warin asked King Robert of France to modify his loyalty oath. The bishop recommended asking knights to swear not to assault, rob, or kidnap villagers. Knights should also vow to avoid plundering and pillaging ...
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A Chivalrous Man is Not a Gentleman: A Look at Chivalry in the Age of Chaucer - Medievalists.net
The concept of knighthood began as a military strategy used to supply men to fight kings’ wars, but it gradually developed into the glamorized ideal of chivalry and became associated with virtuous behavior expected during times of both war and peace.
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The point should be that if your going to target civilian areas you better be sure they are valid military targets, and using a shotgun approach with mainly unguided munitions into civilian areas 'cos your not sure' isn't a valid excuse.
Nor is the Azov brigade the only Ukrainian forces in the city, that aside your logic is utterly bizarre, are armed forces (regardless of who they are) supposed to just sit in a singular location and wait to be attacked? That's not even a logical extension of medieval siege warfare, where in many, many cases the castle sat within the walls of a fortified city, and the defending forces didn't just remain in the keep.
Siege of Mariupol - Wikipedia
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