Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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The mission was accomplished. The mission creep that followed lasted several more years.
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Here's the inevitable 7-dimensional chess, pUT1n is a G3NIUS, post rationalization, just to get ahead of it:
The broader conflict and threats of escalation was just performative theater to make the annexation of Donbass, the real objective, feel like a good outcome for Ukraine & the West. I wouldn't put it past Putin's fanbase to handwave away the immense carnage in Ukraine and tremendous damage to Russian's armed forces and economy with such a tidy explanation.
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Ironically, Col. Macgregor could have been an apologist for Hitler's Third Reich as it pursued its policy of re-militarizing the Rhineland, the Anschluss, the Sudetenland crisis, the invasion of Czechoslovakia, the Nazi-Soviet pact & the invasion of Poland.
As a communist enthusiast, you should perhaps read more about Macgregor's nationalist, pro-Iraq war, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant views. He criticizes Germany for its pursuit of Vergangenheitsbewältigung - coming to terms with its Nazi past. It IS true that backing away from its militaristic history is what has left Germany - & therefore Europe - vulnerable to Russian expansionism, but that's an understandable reaction to the horror that was unleashed on Europe by German militarism under the Nazis.
It's also true that both Russia & Ukraine are both blighted by corruption & anti-democratic tendencies, however Putin launching a brutal invasion of Ukraine & forcibly annexing parts of the country to Russia is not going to do anything to improve the situation in either country.
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The Russians have not taken any major city like Kyviv, Odessa and Maruipol.
Despite gains. Not taken any major city will be a blow to their prestige which was already hit anyway.
Russian Paratroopers especially copped heavy casualties it will take decades for the VDV to regain its strength. 1 regiment already got wiped out with 1 soldier surviving.
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It takes a long time for Russia to introduce new equipment.
They have so much stock they spend it on maintaining them or modernising them or keeping them storage if one day they might need it.
Russia also lacks drones and proper ew capabilities. What is crazy how Russia did not invest enough in countermeasures in countering javelins and nlaws. Russia is using the Orlan 10 and it is starting to prove its worth. Sukhoi S70 jet powered drone wont be operational until 2024. SU 57 has been declared operational but its still in production albeit going pretty slowly before Russia has considerable numbers of fifth gen jets.
When Russia itself knew even before the war as Ukraine was getting supplies of Javelins then there is countering the drones that Ukraine bought from Turkey.
Which genius thought about putting a stupid cage in a T72 or a T80 or the T90?
They have so much stock they spend it on maintaining them or modernising them or keeping them storage if one day they might need it.
Russia also lacks drones and proper ew capabilities. What is crazy how Russia did not invest enough in countermeasures in countering javelins and nlaws. Russia is using the Orlan 10 and it is starting to prove its worth. Sukhoi S70 jet powered drone wont be operational until 2024. SU 57 has been declared operational but its still in production albeit going pretty slowly before Russia has considerable numbers of fifth gen jets.
When Russia itself knew even before the war as Ukraine was getting supplies of Javelins then there is countering the drones that Ukraine bought from Turkey.
Which genius thought about putting a stupid cage in a T72 or a T80 or the T90?
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Up to 300 dead after Russian air strike on Mariupol theatre, Ukrainian officials say
About 300 people died when a Russian air strike last week blew up a theatre in Mariupol where hundreds of civilians were sheltering, Ukrainian officials say, citing witnesses.
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300 or more civilians have been killed in the Russian airstrike on the theater.
They are pulling the bodies out of the rubble.
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It doesn't matter how well su57 will be - all experienced pilots already downed by Ukrainian AA. Pilot training for fighter jet takes up to 7 years.
First of all it lack proper military communication system.
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It was worse. I was serving in 2011 and communication at my high tech station looks like 30 y.o. All our regiment position was covered with goddamn wires.
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Sea mines planted by both Ukraine and Russia have now reached the shores of Turkey.
This is a nightmare for everybody in the black sea.
Bosphorus strait has been closed for now.
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It's plainly obvious that de-Nazification or de-Militarization of Ukraine was a false pretext for Russia's war - not even sure it was a pretext at all...more like a postext? They can barely even keep that story straight and it seem to come out of nowhere. One moment it's about NATO security guarantees for Russia, the next it's about protecting Russian minorities in eastern Ukraine, and then the next it's just about Nazis.
My question is...what was the honest reason for Russia invading Ukraine? I have some theories:
1. A political gamble for Putin to embellish his legacy and improve his domestic popularity by taking Ukraine - Glory of Russia
2. An economic opportunity to have more options to route natural gas into Europe without a middle man
3. Bolstering Crimea by taking enough territory to ensure water supplies flowed there
4. Adding black sea coastline to Russia
5. Bringing the historically/culturally important Kyiv back into Russia
6. Providing a strategic launch pad under Russian control for future ambitions, such as Poland and the Baltic states.
7. Demonstrating the might of Russia's military
In truth I think it was all of these things. It was a 19th century war hiding in the 21st. Just pure geopolitical ambition. Obviously not a list of justifiable reasons for a world leader in the 21s century to give. I think Putin realizes he might not have much time left and he wanted to improve his standing amongst Russian historical figures. It's a shame for the Ukrainian and also the Russian people and frightening that one man's ambition could have such enormous consequences.
My question is...what was the honest reason for Russia invading Ukraine? I have some theories:
1. A political gamble for Putin to embellish his legacy and improve his domestic popularity by taking Ukraine - Glory of Russia
2. An economic opportunity to have more options to route natural gas into Europe without a middle man
3. Bolstering Crimea by taking enough territory to ensure water supplies flowed there
4. Adding black sea coastline to Russia
5. Bringing the historically/culturally important Kyiv back into Russia
6. Providing a strategic launch pad under Russian control for future ambitions, such as Poland and the Baltic states.
7. Demonstrating the might of Russia's military
In truth I think it was all of these things. It was a 19th century war hiding in the 21st. Just pure geopolitical ambition. Obviously not a list of justifiable reasons for a world leader in the 21s century to give. I think Putin realizes he might not have much time left and he wanted to improve his standing amongst Russian historical figures. It's a shame for the Ukrainian and also the Russian people and frightening that one man's ambition could have such enormous consequences.
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BBC reporting another Russian general killed in Ukraine.
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Russian general Yakov Rezantsev killed in Ukraine
Western officials believe low morale among Russian troops is forcing generals to the battlefield.
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So I'm not going on anything concrete here, but could the Russians be doing this in hopes that the Ukrainians overshoot their target and hit the defunct power plant? It seems like it would be right up Russia's alley to say "see, the Ukrainians are unleashing radiation on Europe, they're Nazis!"
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I'm a lot less worried about radioactive dirt at Chernobyl than I am about global energy, fertilizer and food prices, which I expect to rise by at least 20% due to this invasion. I expect the Russian invaders currently in the vicinity of Kiev to retreat to more defensible positions in the immediate future.
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