Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[McLaren]

Puppies eating russian solider. Okay, telegram, its enough for today.

Cant see your posts with banned twitter replies. Maybe tomorrow when I will be near PC with vpn.

Don't see his name shared, but these are the other people present with him if it helps.

Is YouTube still available? Or Reddit? I will see if I can find you the video through a different platform.

Edit* I'll type it out for you.

Whatever treaty Russia may sign with current Ukrainian regime will mean the defeat of Russia. Final and complete defeat! In the eyes of Russian people, in the eyes of Russian army, in the eyes of the whole world. And then the support of India, China, Arab world will evaporate. When Russia sent an ultimatum to the US, Russia also sent an ultimatum to itself. It has no right to lose. It means that Russia has no power to deal with whom? With Ukraine? With Zelensky? Khasavyurt would look a great diplomatic achievement in comparison. Because Khasavyurt was not a beginning of the end of the Russian State. And this treaty may be the beginning of the end of the Russian State. Because if you failed with Ukraine then why do you threaten the NATO? Why do you threaten the US? You could not deal with Zelensky, so what are you? You have a choice: either you win this operation or start the final countdown.

 

[Biggles]

Thoughtful tones on Russian state TV...

Though i'm not sure if they can already fully grasp the implications...

The reality is, Russia is a country with a seriously underperforming economy with its history of lurching from the inefficiencies of feudalism, to the inefficiencies of communism, to the inefficiencies of a wildly corrupt version of capitalism. Its importance on the world stage is a function of its critical role in WWII, the subsequent oppression of other eastern European nations ... & its huge nuclear arsenal. Having nuclear weapons gives Russia geo-political importance, but those weapons don't provide anything practical to improve the lives of Russian citizens - they just act as a backstop to Putin's nostalgic expansionist ambitions.

 

[Joey D]

So Biden says what we're all thinking and somehow it's wrong? It's one of the few times I've heard Biden say something and found myself in complete agreement. Russia does need a regime change and Biden didn't say how that should be accomplished so it wasn't like he was threatening the US was going to do it, only that it needed to happen. And I'm even in the group that doesn't believe Biden isn't exactly "with it" 100%, but in that instance, I feel like Biden knew exactly what he was saying and said it carefully enough as to not signal a direct threat to Russia. Now if he'd said "Russia needs a regime change and the US will make sure that happens", it'd be a different story.

Walking back on this statement seems weak to me and the US has no reason to be weak. If it came to it, the US could easily overpower Russia with just the Navy. Nukes aren't even a worry either since the US has the technology to destroy those in the upper atmosphere...assuming that the Russian nuclear arsenal works or even exists. Given how awful their tech is, Russia would probably aim at DC and end up hitting a wheat field in Kansas.

There are plenty of legitimate things to attack Biden over and his comment on the regime in Russia isn't one of them.

 

[Com Fox]

So Biden says what we're all thinking and somehow it's wrong? It's one of the few times I've heard Biden say something and found myself in complete agreement. Russia does need a regime change and Biden didn't say how that should be accomplished so it wasn't like he was threatening the US was going to do it, only that it needed to happen. And I'm even in the group that doesn't believe Biden isn't exactly "with it" 100%, but in that instance, I feel like Biden knew exactly what he was saying and said it carefully enough as to not signal a direct threat to Russia. Now if he'd said "Russia needs a regime change and the US will make sure that happens", it'd be a different story.

Walking back on this statement seems weak to me and the US has no reason to be weak. If it came to it, the US could easily overpower Russia with just the Navy. Nukes aren't even a worry either since the US has the technology to destroy those in the upper atmosphere...assuming that the Russian nuclear arsenal works or even exists. Given how awful their tech is, Russia would probably aim at DC and end up hitting a wheat field in Kansas.

There are plenty of legitimate things to attack Biden over and his comment on the regime in Russia isn't one of them.

I don't think the issue is that it's wrong morally, because most will agree. It's wrong strategically, it gives Putin Propaganda fuel and given how sensitive he gets, could've even been a declaration of war to him. Regardless if he mentioned how or not

 

[SestoScudo]

So Biden says what we're all thinking and somehow it's wrong? It's one of the few times I've heard Biden say something and found myself in complete agreement. Russia does need a regime change and Biden didn't say how that should be accomplished so it wasn't like he was threatening the US was going to do it, only that it needed to happen. And I'm even in the group that doesn't believe Biden isn't exactly "with it" 100%, but in that instance, I feel like Biden knew exactly what he was saying and said it carefully enough as to not signal a direct threat to Russia. Now if he'd said "Russia needs a regime change and the US will make sure that happens", it'd be a different story.

Walking back on this statement seems weak to me and the US has no reason to be weak. If it came to it, the US could easily overpower Russia with just the Navy. Nukes aren't even a worry either since the US has the technology to destroy those in the upper atmosphere...assuming that the Russian nuclear arsenal works or even exists. Given how awful their tech is, Russia would probably aim at DC and end up hitting a wheat field in Kansas.

There are plenty of legitimate things to attack Biden over and his comment on the regime in Russia isn't one of them.

Usa actually backed boris yeltsin that same man who destroyed democracy in russia within minutes.

 

[Exorcet]

Walking back on this statement seems weak to me and the US has no reason to be weak. If it came to it, the US could easily overpower Russia with just the Navy. Nukes aren't even a worry either since the US has the technology to destroy those in the upper atmosphere...assuming that the Russian nuclear arsenal works or even exists. Given how awful their tech is, Russia would probably aim at DC and end up hitting a wheat field in Kansas.

Russia made a mess of the Ukraine invasion for a bunch of reasons, but they still have some strong military assets, some of which won't really be seen in an offensive war. It's possible that the military is so weak and corrupt that it would crumble under any significant attack, but I also think there is a good chance a defense war might go better for Russia than an offensive one.

If things did go nuclear, there would be casualties. Anti ICBM technology is more about damage reduction than creating an impenetrable shield.

 

[eran0004]

I don't think the issue is that it's wrong morally, because most will agree. It's wrong strategically, it gives Putin Propaganda fuel and given how sensitive he gets, could've even been a declaration of war to him. Regardless if he mentioned how or not

He already consider anything to be a declaration of war. Whether it’s “illegal” sanctions, sending arms to Ukraine or simply having neighbours.

 

[tarnheld]

Could @Rage Racer or @inCloud give some context for who the person speaking is?

The host of the show is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Solovyov_(journalist) . The guy speaking is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaakov_Kedmi . He is a regular 'expert' on the show.

He mentions Khasavyurt -- this refers to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Chechnya_Peace_Treaty ending the First Chechen War.

IMHO the show is pure Kremlin propaganda and a direct outflow of Putin's views on things. Yet the show is instructive to get a glimpse into the mindset of the Russian regime. Given that the Russian State is effectivly Putin, i am tempted to replace Russia with Putin in the remarks:

Whatever treaty Putin may sign with current Ukrainian regime will mean the defeat of Putin. Final and complete defeat! In the eyes of Russian people, in the eyes of Russian army, in the eyes of the whole world. And then the support of India, China, Arab world will evaporate. When Putin sent an ultimatum to the US, Putin also sent an ultimatum to itself. It has no right to lose. It means that Putin has no power to deal with whom? With Ukraine? With Zelensky? Khasavyurt would look a great diplomatic achievement in comparison. Because Khasavyurt was not a beginning of the end of Putin. And this treaty may be the beginning of the end of Putin. Because if you failed with Ukraine then why do you threaten the NATO? Why do you threaten the US? You could not deal with Zelensky, so what are you? You have a choice: either you win this operation or start the final countdown.

 

[inCloud]

Is YouTube still available? Or Reddit

Facebook, twitter, Instagram banned. YouTube threatened, but still available - its most used social network here, banning it could cause ****storm. Most likely RF officials dont know about Reddit.

Edit* I'll type it out for you.

Its week old, afaik. Basically, its one of the main russian propagandists and his sidekicks. Its pure propaganda, there isn't reason to listen what they saying.

So Biden says what we're all thinking and somehow it's wrong

It basically means that US wouldn't negotiate with Putin regime. Escalation with nuclear country isnt best thing in a world.

 

[Touring Mars]

Roman Abramovich and a Ukrainian negotiator both suffered symptoms consistent with exposure to a chemical weapon last month according to multiple sources, and both were flown to Turkey for medical help. Abramovich apparently lost his sight for several hours and two others including a negotiator for the Ukrainians also experienced symptoms consistent with poisoning by a chemical weapon.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

It's funny to me that Putin still wants to hide behind plausible deniability. Still!

 

[inCloud]

Roman Abramovich and a Ukrainian negotiator both suffered symptoms consistent with exposure to a chemical weapon last month according to multiple sources, and both were flown to Turkey for medical help. Abramovich apparently lost his sight for several hours and two others including a negotiator for the Ukrainians also experienced symptoms consistent with poisoning by a chemical weapon.

Seems legit. Its Novichok time

 

[Blitz24]

Seems legit. Its Novichok time

I'm guessing Abramovich is no longer on Putin's friend list if he's trying to poison him? Or did the group responsible inexplicably not realize he's an oligarch?

 

[inCloud]

I'm guessing Abramovich is no longer on Putin's friend list if he's trying to poison him? Or did the group responsible inexplicably not realize he's an oligarch?

He was never in Putin inner circle. Putin using poisoning as weapon for "traitors", my guess is he trying to scare those who really in inner circle.

Zelenskiy interview to Russian journalists, highly recommend. Eng. Version

 

[unit-one]

Some thoughts about Russia's nuclear weapon threats.

I understand that those are different situations, but...

2008 - Russia is attacking Georgia. USA sends ships with aviation to Black sea. After 12 hours Putin stopped, war ended.
2015 - Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 attacker that invaded it's airspace, pilot killed. No other planes ever did that again.
2018 - Wagner group went to take a gas factory in Syria. USA air force with Kurds eliminated the group.
2017 - USA launched Tomahawk missiles in Syria in response to a chemical attack. Military base used by Russians was hit after USA warned them of a missile strike.
2022 - Turkey closed the Dardanelles straight blocking Russian warships.
2022 - Azerbaijan takes control of some land that was under Russian peacekeepers control.

So far in these situations Russia didn't use nukes or threads to use nukes... but Putin and his company didn't sound so crazy back then.
Two of the confrontations did happen this year but Russia barely made any noise about that.

Will Putin actually use nukes or he's just bluffing? Is Biden really afraid or what?

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Some thoughts about Russia's nuclear weapon threats.

I understand that those are different situations, but...

2008 - Russia is attacking Georgia. USA sends ships to Black sea and aviation. After 12 hours Putin stopped, war ended.
2015 - Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 attacker that invaded it's airspace, pilot killed. No other planes ever did that again.
2018 - Wagner group went to take a gas factory in Syria. USA air force with Kurds eliminated the group.
2017 - USA launched Tomahawk missiles in Syria in response to a chemical attack. Military base used by Russians was hit after USA warned them of a missile strike.
2022 - Turkey closed the Dardanelles straight blocking Russian warships.
2022 - Azerbaijan takes control of some land that was under Russian peacekeepers control.

So far in these situations Russia didn't use nukes or threads to use nukes... but Putin and his company didn't sound so crazy back then.

Will Putin actually use nukes or he's just bluffing? Is Biden really afraid or what?

I'd wager that Putin is bluffing. But that's a serious gamble.

 

[McLaren]

1 thing really keeping him (or anyone) at bay is M.A.D.

 

[dacc10]

Exactly. No one would use nukes just to avenge one downed plane, or one missile strike on one base in a foreign country. If Russia used nukes against anyone, they would get even more hate than they already have right now. Plus, given the threat of some dummy using nukes in any situation, would just make the world go on a nuclear arms race, which no one wants.

The use of nukes is, fortunately, pretty much limited to a very serious threat to one's existance. They would only be used in desperation.

Desperation could happen in Ukraine, in case:
1- Russia is being humiliated in their conventional war against Ukraine, and then decide to use a tactical nuke (or chemical/biological weapons) just to push things in their favor again
2- NATO intervenes directly, which would most likely result in the russians being defeated, and they could use tactical nukes to kill as many NATO troops as possible.

Though, any of these options, could make the conflict escalate even more.

Is it bluff? We don't know, but it's pretty plausible that he would do so if pushed into a corner.

 

[Danoff]

Is it bluff? We don't know, but it's pretty plausible that he would do so if pushed into a corner.

Not if the pressure comes internally though, which is, I think, what the world is hoping for.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I wonder what would have happened if Biden announced back in February that the US and Ukraine were hosting a joint wargame involving a couple of American armored divisions. I mean, considering that Russia was allegedly doing the same thing in Belarus, would Putin really have grounds to complain? In the very least, he wouldn't have engaged with the US directly and pre-emptively. So if the US had 50,000 troops in Ukraine, just hanging out...would Russia have dared invade? I think bloody not.

 

[inCloud]

Russia bombing New York

 

[Tornado]

That's fine. I moved last June.

 

[Dennisch]

 

[Darla Starch]

 

[Tornado]

Man Zelensky made Putin so mad that he actually shot the messenger?

 

[RiiiidgeRacer]

Will WWIII happen or not? I've been waiting for a whole month for an answer.

 

[inCloud]

Will WWIII happen or not? I've been waiting for a whole month for an answer.

Nope. Putin is a coward.

 

[RiiiidgeRacer]

Nope. Putin is a coward.

Got proof for that?

 

[Dotini]

Will WWIII happen or not? I've been waiting for a whole month for an answer.

It may, but probably not now in Ukraine. The conflict is limited and the bones of a political peace deal are out in the open and being discussed.

 

[TexRex]

@RiiiidgeRacer joined 18 minutes ago. MLP avatar. I'm thinking either banned or burner.