Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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What do you get in Russia? State controlled news.
And you naively think your news can't be state-controlled? ;)

I'm not telling your media is wrong, I'm talking about Ukrainian. The Russian propaganda is about 50% lie, but Ukrainian consists of lie on 80-90%. Daym, so many "cool stories" that it can't be read without a facepalm.

And, for your awareness, I can tell you that we also have news channels like RainTV and Echo of Moscow, known for their pro-Western views. And somehow, the bloody and oppressing Putin's regime still doesn't shut them down.

Quite often the Ukrainians defeat Russian missiles with their good, bare, patriotic hands, plucking those evil arrows from the sky as if they were nothing.

In other news the Russians report that Putin has personally won the World Cup for the 4th time in as many months. On a tiger.
I know and it pisses me off. One side tells "PUTIN IS SATAN" and the other "PUTIN IS GOD". Hell, I wanna tell them all "Could you all please shut the **** up about Putin, please?". This cult of personality (good or bad - whatever) is really pissing me off.
 
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I only have a Dutch news site, which states that the Ukrainian Prime minister told it to Cameron in a telephone conversation.

The BBC are generally okay, if they have a fault then it's not covering enough sides of a story. Normally if they present a fact it's genuine, sometimes you just have to dig around it.

In this case they quote NATO's chief directly as saying that he sees clear daily evidence of Russian military supplies entering Ukraine.

They also report the claim that a Russian armoured convoy was destroyed attacked by Ukrainian artillery fire. Two UK reporters are said to have witnessed the convoy, not much more detail on them at present.

Source.
 
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Ukraine confirms it, Nato confirms it, European journalists confirm it, even Russian journalists confirm it.

But not Russia itself. They claim to know nothing about a convoy of armoured personnel carriers...
Offcourse they will confirm that they are invading Ukraine while the world can see (...).Vertrouw je onderbuik gevoelens!

You forget that we have multiple sources for our news. We have Ukrainian news, for what it's worth. We have Nato reporting. We have independent journalists risking their lives in East Ukraine to give us independent news.

What do you get in Russia? State controlled news.

Our news networks in the west laugh at how Russia Today brings their "news" and mock them for it. You know in what section of the news? The showbizz section. That is how we see Russian "news".
I live in that same country and al we get is pure anti Russia propaganda. You talk about the lies but believe any bull the good us of a feeds you through our mainstream media! Cut the crap!
 
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Nothing that I have seen or read even intimated that the Ukraine crisis – which led to coup and civil war – was created by neoconservatives and a few R2P (“Responsibility to Protect”) fanatics in the State Department and the White House, apparently given a free hand by President Obama. The Dutch media also appeared unaware that the catastrophe was immediately turned into a political football for White House and State Department purposes. The likelihood that Putin was right when he said that the catastrophe would not have happened if his insistence on a cease-fire had been accepted, was not entertained. As it was, Kiev broke the cease-fire – on the 10th of June – in its civil war against Russian speaking East Ukrainians who do not wish to be governed by a collection of thugs, progeny of Ukrainian nazis, and oligarchs enamored of the IMF and the European Union.
http://www.karelvanwolferen.com/44-ukraine-corrupted-journalism-atlanticist-faith-9aug-2014/
 
So where's that destroyed armored convoy? And what's next? A nuclear missile launched at Ukraine personally by bloody Putin and intercepted by a Ukrainian laser gun? :lol:

I wonder how some people still believe all the crap that Ukrainian mass media ***ts out. :D
 
Better than the Russian mass media, who no-one believed in the first place.

Especially since the reports of the convoy are coming from British journalists.
 
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So where's that destroyed armored convoy? And what's next? A nuclear missile launched at Ukraine personally by bloody Putin and intercepted by a Ukrainian laser gun? :lol:

I wonder how some people still believe all the crap that Ukrainian mass media ***ts out. :D
Putin wil invade Ukraine by himself and will crush them by shooting laserbeams from his eyes.
 
Better than the Russian mass media, who no-one believed in the first place.
So, the protesters in Odessa were burnt by themselves and the airstrike in Luhansk was actually a militia's MANPAD shot into an air conditioner - yeah, this media is sure better than the Russian propaganda saying inappropriate BS about civilian casualties and refugees.

Especially since the reports of the convoy are coming from British journalists.
Reports, reports... but where are photos or vids? Or Russian army has Stealth Camo on the tanks and APCs?

Putin wil invade Ukraine by himself and will crush them by shooting laserbeams from his eyes.
Metal Gear Putin, I guess. :)
 
Reports, reports... but where are photos or vids? Or Russian army has Stealth Camo on the tanks and APCs?

They exist dude :)

Seen by Telegraph journos (source), I also linked you to a statement from Rasmussen I believe. There are a lot of Russian armour pockets on the Ukraini border (as you'd expect), perhaps the euro "free media" is more willing to report on them than Russia or the US? The Guardian also saw APCs cross the border, unclear if they're the same ones.

I think I also linked Rasmussen's statement where he talks about them.

Why no pictures? I don't know, perhaps there are somewhere. Perhaps the journos are protecting themselves and don't feel able to take pictures?

The Ukrainian rebels have a pretty speckled recent history when dealing with the the media, remember?
 
They exist dude :)

Seen by Telegraph journos (source), I also linked you to a statement from Rasmussen I believe. There are a lot of Russian armour pockets on the Ukraini border (as you'd expect), perhaps the euro "free media" is more willing to report on them than Russia or the US? The Guardian also saw APCs cross the border, unclear if they're the same ones.

I think I also linked Rasmussen's statement where he talks about them.

Why no pictures? I don't know, perhaps there are somewhere. Perhaps the journos are protecting themselves and don't feel able to take pictures?

The Ukrainian rebels have a pretty speckled recent history when dealing with the the media, remember?
If I get it right, Rasmussen was talking about the Russian supply of the rebels (with ammo, armor, weapons and volunteers), but not about direct intervention by RGF as Ukraine claims it.
All of the photos I see there are taken on the Russian territory (Kamensk-Shakhtinskiy is a Russian town, where the white trucks have stopped - they're not vanished).

A possible explanation of the British journo reports, I think, is another 'backroom gift' for the Novorossiya fighters. Which is bit different from "Russians are coming, holy ****, that's an invasion!".

But destroying something?.. That needs some evidence for sure. Unless it burns to ashes and dispels without a trace, like dead FROG soldiers in MGS4, lol. The Chocolate Lord cannot admit the screw-ups of his army so he keeps telling cool stories about his glorious soldiers eliminating another FSB/GRU/Spetsnaz special unit came from the Evil Empire. Now - a number of armored vehicles that were selected and right-clicked at Ukrainian territory by Putin's mouse.
 
If I get it right, Rasmussen was talking about the Russian supply of the rebels (with ammo, armor, weapons and volunteers), but not about direct intervention by RGF as Ukraine claims it.
All of the photos I see there are taken on the Russian territory (Kamensk-Shakhtinskiy is a Russian town, where the white trucks have stopped - they're not vanished).

A possible explanation of the British journo reports, I think, is another 'backroom gift' for the Novorossiya fighters. Which is bit different from "Russians are coming, holy ****, that's an invasion!".

But destroying something?.. That needs some evidence for sure. Unless it burns to ashes and dispels without a trace, like dead FROG soldiers in MGS4, lol. The Chocolate Lord cannot admit the screw-ups of his army so he keeps telling cool stories about his glorious soldiers eliminating another FSB/GRU/Spetsnaz special unit came from the Evil Empire. Now - a number of armored vehicles that were selected and right-clicked at Ukrainian territory by Putin's mouse.

The attack on the "armoured column"... can't find a source. The armoured columns do exist however and are crossing the border. For what purpose or what length of time is unknown. Do you dispute that even that is happening?

Are Russia's media alone as an organ of virginal truth amongst the foul chattering pits of the remainder-of-the-world's media? It seems unlikely Rage, it really does... :D

I didn't understand "backroom gift", as a Brit I can see the obvious sex joke, or is that what you meant? :)
 
The attack on the "armoured column"... can't find a source. The armoured columns do exist however and are crossing the border. For what purpose or what length of time is unknown. Do you dispute that even that is happening?
Let's say, I doubt this. But not deny. I can't know exactly if they really cross the border, but can't be sure if they don't, either. But even if they do, I don't think they are regular combat units of the RFAF meant for invasion. The clue of another supply convoy for the rebels (what I meant by "backroom gift") makes more sense to me.

I don't take my mainstream media as the virginal truth (I am well aware that they may contain exaggerated or distorted facts and emotional propaganda stuff). But the info about the trucks stopped in Kamensk-Shakhtinskiy doesn't seem to be fake to me (unless they transformed to Autobots or turned Stealth Camo on).
 
There was supposed to have been a meeting Sunday between Putin and Merkel. But I have heard nothing of it on this side of the pond.
 
The Russians are sending aid into the Ukraine whether the Ukraine wants it or not - the convoy has been ordered to push across the border with or without permission from Kiev.
 
The Russians are sending aid into the Ukraine whether the Ukraine wants it or not - the convoy has been ordered to push across the border with or without permission from Kiev.
So the unarmed trucks will be heroically going under Ukrainian gunfire?
Source please.
 
So the unarmed trucks will be heroically going under Ukrainian gunfire?
Source please.
A source

IZVARYNE, Ukraine (AP) -- Russia unilaterally sent an aid mission into rebel-held eastern Ukraine on Friday, saying its patience had worn out after a week of delays it blamed on the Ukrainian government.

The International Committee of the Red Cross, which had planned to escort the convoy to assuage fears that it was being used as a cover for an invasion by Russia, said it had not received enough security guarantees to escort the convoy.

Trucks loaded with water, generators and sleeping bags sent from Moscow are intended for civilians in the city of Luhansk, where pro-Russian separatist fighters are besieged by government forces. Shelling of the city has been ongoing for weeks.

An Associated Press reporter saw a priest blessing the first truck in the convoy at the rebel-held checkpoint and then climbing into the passenger seat. A rebel commander on the scene said 34 trucks had gone through. On the Russia side of the border, an Associated Press reporter counted another 32 vehicles going into the customs zone.

The vehicles' immediate destination was not known and it was not clear whether Kiev had granted its approval.

"The Russian side has decided to act," said a statement on the Russian foreign ministry's website. "Our column with humanitarian aid is starting to move in the direction of Luhansk."

The Red Cross said in a statement on its Twitter account that it is not escorting the convoy due to security concerns, as shelling had continued overnight. "We've not received sufficient security guarantees from the fighting parties," it said.

A rebel commander on the scene who identified himself only by the codename Kot said the trucks were headed for the city of Luhansk.

Shortly after leaving from the border town of Izvaryne, the convoy departed from the main road to Luhansk and headed north onto a country road and parked in the village of Uralo-Kavkaz. That route also leads to Luhansk, potentially avoiding areas controlled by government troops.

The relief supply mission is proceeding despite both Ukraine and the separatists ignoring pleas for a cease-fire.

The trucks had been stranded in a customs zone for more than a week since reaching the border, as the Russian foreign ministry voiced increasing frustration at what it said were Kiev's efforts to stall its delivery.

A total of 34 Russian vehicles had received initial approved from Ukraine on Thursday but were awaiting a final green light. But Russia's foreign ministry blasted the Ukrainian side for "endless, concocted delays" in delivering the aid, which left Moscow early last week.

It blamed the Kiev government for continuing to shell residential areas that the convoy would have to pass through, thereby making its onward travel impossible.

"There is increasingly a sense that the Ukrainian leaders are deliberately dragging out the delivery of the humanitarian load until there is a situation in which there will no longer be anyone left to help."

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Laura Mills in Moscow contributed to this report.

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I didn't say that. I said they would be going in without Ukrainian permission. Not that the Ukrainians would be shooting. There's nothing heroic about it.
So, they crossed the border on the rebel-controlled area - easier solution. Some trucks have already arrived to Luhansk - the center of LPR (Lugansk People's Republic) resistance.

Ten Russian paratroopers have been caught in the Ukraine. According to the Russians, they were there "by accident":

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28934213
So the RF Defence Ministry doesn't deny it, and it could really happen by mistake. "These servicemen really were patrolling a part of the Russia-Ukrainian border, and crossed it, possibly, by accident, on an unmarked area. As far as we know, they did not resist while being captured by Ukrainian Armed Forces."
 
Angela Merkel was interviewed two days ago in Berlin.

http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL5N0QU0M720140824
A day after she paid a highly symbolic visit to Kiev, Merkel reiterated that a political solution was needed and that there was no military solution to the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

Putin and Poroshenko are due to meet in the Belarussian capital Minsk on Tuesday at a meeting that will also include senior members of the European Union and the Russian-led Customs Union.

"My visit to Kiev was preparation for such a meeting (between Putin and Poroshenko) which certainly won't result in the breakthrough," said Merkel in an interview with ARD television.

"But you have to talk to each other if you want to find solutions," said Merkel, adding the situation was very fragile.

Merkel, who has tried to play a role in easing the crisis, said she would do everything possible to help the two sides overcome differences on questions from decentralisation to trading ties and gas deliveries.

"What we say, and especially I as someone who experienced how Germany could be united peacefully with the agreement of its neighbours, say that the Ukrainian people must have the opportunity to choose their path," she said.

Merkel, brought up in Communist East Germany, said she did not want to do anything that would hurt Russia, indeed she wanted to have good trading and diplomatic relations with Moscow.



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Elsewhere, I have read that her Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel (SPD) has proposed that Crimea remain Russian, and Ukraine should be a Federal state. Gabriel, thought to be the most powerful politician in Germany, could succeed Merkel as early as next year.
 
So the RF Defence Ministry doesn't deny it, and it could really happen by mistake. "These servicemen really were patrolling a part of the Russia-Ukrainian border, and crossed it, possibly, by accident, on an unmarked area. As far as we know, they did not resist while being captured by Ukrainian Armed Forces."
:lol:

Of course they won't admit to having been there on purpose. Admitting that your soldiers got lost like some silly girl scouts would be preferable.
 
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Of course they won't admit to having been there on purpose. Admitting that your soldiers got lost like some silly girl scouts would be preferable.
Of course just ten brave Russian paratroopers could do a lot, strategically. Since each one of them is stronger than Chuck Norris, ten of them could defeat the whole Ukrainian army and reach Kiev if they had an order. But unfortunately, they got captured in the very beginning of their glorious mission. :D

Seriously, you don't believe they couldn't simply get lost? If you think all Russian soldiers have GPS navigators (that also display a warning, "YOU ARE LEAVING THE COMBAT AREA, GET BACK!" like in Battlefield), you're wrong.
As a man who had been walking in Russian forests a lot, I do. And I don't see any purpose that ten VDV soldiers could be hanging out on Ukrainian territory on. So, I find the "lost" explanation quite possible.
 
Of course just ten brave Russian paratroopers could do a lot, strategically. Since each one of them is stronger than Chuck Norris, ten of them could defeat the whole Ukrainian army and reach Kiev if they had an order. But unfortunately, they got captured in the very beginning of their glorious mission. :D

Sarcasm aside; you've moved from "no evidence of Russian troops in Ukraine" quite quickly, that's something at least.
 
There is some kind of whip saw at work in Ukraine.

Poroshenko and Putin talk all day at Minsk, agreeing the problem needs to be solved diplomatically and they lay plans for a plan to do that. Then 100 new Russian tanks, APCs and rocket launchers roll over the border. :lol:

http://news.yahoo.com/kiev-reports-movement-tanks-heavy-weapons-russia-105057667.html
:D Another gift for Novorossiya fighters to protect themselves, probably.
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However, this^ tank is not so new, it's a T-72B (if I'm not wrong). They're owned by Ukraine too, so this could be acquired from a Ukrainian storage base as well. Who knows...
 
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