Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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That's good news, no irony.
I hope Russia gets permanently banned from this political freak show. I don't know why were we still taking part in it for the recent years.
That is your biggest gripe about Russia??
That they took part in a singing show which is a bit of fun?

Wow....
"Well poisoning people on UK soil,
shooting down passenger plane,
locking up Homosexuals,
poisoning opposition party leader,
invading Ukraine..... It's ok.....
but for the love of God Putin why are we in Eurovision!!!"
 
Whoever that was on Snake Island that told their attackers to go non-AUP friendly term themselves when staring down certain death
20 miles off the Romanian coast.

Perhaps the Russian people need to take a leaf from Romania's play book on how to handle a dictatorial leader.
 
All this talk online about the 'Ghost of Kyiv'.

Bout to witness the 'Ghost of The White Death'.

Edit* German Chancellor was against this yesterday. Possible change of tune if Russia is threatening other European nations?

Your boys down in Texas just made Germany realize they're the weakest link in Europe right now and have been for some time.

crash the oil & gas market? In the very least, give Europe a cheap alternative to Russian gas.
Crash the market, no. Supply Europe, sure. But as far as I know there isn't actually any pipeline from North America to Europe, thus Russian dependence. Speaking of Germany, be a lot cooler if they restarted those nuclear power plants that were all doing just fine.
 
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For environmentalist Americans & Europeans here - if it was an option, would you support America & Canada opening up drilling to create an oil & gas oversupply to crash the oil & gas market? In the very least, give Europe a cheap alternative to Russian gas.

It's a tough question, but I think I would support it for a limited <5 year time.
 
Putin is taking a page out of the CCP and Xinnie the Pooh's playbook:

In addition to the UEFA Final, F1 has axed the Sochi race:
 
For environmentalist Americans & Europeans here - if it was an option, would you support America & Canada opening up drilling to create an oil & gas oversupply to crash the oil & gas market? In the very least, give Europe a cheap alternative to Russian gas.

It's a tough question, but I think I would support it for a limited <5 year time.

It was asked of the Prime Minister here in Parliament ysterday if he'd support short term frakking whilst other measures were put in place, he said yes, though we're not as dependent directly on Russian gas as some countries.

F1 has axed the Sochi race
Episode 2 Whatever GIF
 
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For environmentalist Americans & Europeans here - if it was an option, would you support America & Canada opening up drilling to create an oil & gas oversupply to crash the oil & gas market? In the very least, give Europe a cheap alternative to Russian gas.

It's a tough question, but I think I would support it for a limited <5 year time.
Yes. One way or another, that stuff will find its way out of the ground.
 
I've listened to the supposed audio of the Snake Island incident. It's carried by the Guardian.



I don't speak Ukrainian or Russian but my Slovak is good enough to know that those subtitles are accurate. The final line in that video is absolutely someone saying "Go **** yourself" in the appropriate language.
 
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War criminals gonna war criminal I guess. So not only is Russia targeting ships that have no affiliation with Ukraine, it's targeting civilians too.

 
War criminals gonna war criminal I guess. So not only is Russia targeting ships that have no affiliation with Ukraine, it's targeting civilians too.

The military officials CNN spoke to yesterday said repeatedly to expect civilian casualties because the Russians just don't care. The ships are surprising though, I'll admit.
 
It's deeply disappointing that a professional army in the 21st century would go along with these orders. It's disappointing to me that ordinary Russians can become such monsters. Russia, this won't be forgiven.
 
It's deeply disappointing that a professional army in the 21st century would go along with these orders. It's disappointing to me that ordinary Russians can become such monsters. Russia, this won't be forgiven.
OK ... but in the midst of all this, it's useful to bear in mind that the US under George Bush attacked Iraq on the flimsiest of pretexts leading to a devastating loss of life & the disruption of the entire region. Not only that, but Bush had the active support of the UK led by an (ostensibly) "social democratic" government. Even though there was a lot of resistance to the Iraq war, it didn't stop it from happening.
 
I don't understand why the Russian military is just following Putin's orders just so he can hoard everything like he always does.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out removing Putin is much easier and more profitable for everyone.

Putin has made it impossible to exist as a Russian without hiding in some way. Sports, off-shore business, banks, etc... A terrible situation for any country and it's people.

And it's very surprising considering Russia's history of revolutions.
 
OK ... but in the midst of all this, it's useful to bear in mind that the US under George Bush attacked Iraq on the flimsiest of pretexts leading to a devastating loss of life & the disruption of the entire region. Not only that, but Bush had the active support of the UK led by an (ostensibly) "social democratic" government. Even though there was a lot of resistance to the Iraq war, it didn't stop it from happening.
I don't personally find the two invasions apples to apples though I agree that the Iraq war was a tremendous mistake. I think what's happening in Ukraine is much worse on multiple levels.
 
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"If you don't want us to join NATO, stop being aggressive" has been the rhetoric, in their own individual ways, of Ukraine, Finland and Sweden for years. Thanks to Russia's own actions, they have only wanted to do it more. Russia under Vladimir Putin has demonstrated that it doesn't care and doesn't care about the double standard.
 
You say he's stupid enough to invade but also suggest that if NATO decides to intervene...

Sounds like he was pretty smart to invade Ukraine to me.
He tanked Russia's reputation for next couple of decades and probably its economy as well. He burned all the bridges to Europe and erased the last 30 years' worth of progress. He sparked internal conflict within the country and weakened his own position. He caused many casualties on both sides and he made every single country close to Russia more keen on joining NATO.

You tell me what's so smart about any of that.
 
"If you don't want us to join NATO, stop being aggressive" has been the rhetoric, in their own individual ways, of Ukraine, Finland and Sweden for years. Thanks to Russia's own actions, they have only wanted to do it more. Russia under Vladimir Putin has demonstrated that it doesn't care and doesn't care about the double standard.
Putin has always operated under false pretenses. He'll use any justification convenient to argue against or forcefully prevent former Soviet territories from drifting west. It's not for the benefit of Russia which would honestly be better off with normal relations with Europe, but because of the ego of one man.
 
It doesn't take a genius to figure out removing Putin is much easier and more profitable for everyone.
It would take a genius, actually. Putin's system involves every aspect of government and economy in Russia. All the wealthiest business owners in the country are effectively "party members" and all the money in Russia flows through Putin's relationships with these business leaders. It's really similar to the Soviet system of party membership, except in the form of unfettered crony-capitalism. Too boot, Putin's government isn't afraid of blatant, publicly visible assassinations and civilian murders, so to challenge that loyalty would be a death sentence. Putin is a very intelligent and effective dictator, likely one of the most effective in history. Our military and intel leaders are careful not to underestimate Russia's capabilities, not because they have a wealth of resources, but because they just don't bother following the rules. We all tend to think within the rules that we've known for generations and are in disbelief when they're broken but when dealing with people like Putin - or any criminal, really - you need to try and think from the perspective of somebody who doesn't know what rules are.
 
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