Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Isn't one of the strengths of the A-10 is that it can take a ton of damage and still fly? Outside the obvious A-10s go BRRRT I don't know a ton about them.
They can handle small arms fire and shrapnel without a problem but they can't handle anti-air missiles or manpads. We don't use them until AA capabilities have been crippled by taking out radar and command stations and whatnot. Desert Storm is a near-perfect example of effective invasion tactics against a moderately-capable enemy.

 
Ok well that sounds like the US.
Indeed, one could draw some interesting parallels between Putin's supportive base in Russia and Trump's in the US. It's drawn largely from the VERY rich, the generally poor and the largely uneducated. And both leaders managed to garner fierce loyalty and support from all three groups when they really only care about one.
 
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Would be nice if a couple of A-10's showed up.
Yes, the massive convoy has stalled, probably waiting for the supply train to catch up and for the commanders to rethink their plans and lick their wounds. And it would indeed be rich to revisit the "Highway of Death" scene from the first Iraq War. Although Zelensky has called for no-fly zone over Ukraine, Biden has dismissed that as not a good idea.
 
Isn't one of the strengths of the A-10 is that it can take a ton of damage and still fly? Outside the obvious A-10s go BRRRT I don't know a ton about them.

And the convoy seems ripe for being picked off with those Turkish drones. I remember those drones gave the Russians fits when they screwed around Syria.

*Seems like they might be already:

...no Bloomberg, I'm not a robot.

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The best way to deal with it, would be anything with submunitions, like the AGM-154A. A single B-1B can carry 24 of them, with each having 145 submunitions. The main advantage of this, is not only the submunitions, but the range that it can be fired from the target.

Since ukrainians don't have neither of those things, an ambush with RPGs, artillery fire, IEDs, and such would still be very effective, without even risking a single plane.
 
Can someone give any kind of an explanation how the 🤬 the average Russian can be this 🤬 ing stupid? More than two out of three support the Ukraine invasion and then they wonder why the world hates them.

 
Can someone give any kind of an explanation how the 🤬 the average Russian can be this 🤬 ing stupid? More than two out of three support the Ukraine invasion and then they wonder why the world hates them.

Indeed, one could draw some interesting parallels between Putin's supportive base in Russia and Trump's in the US. It's drawn largely from the VERY rich, the generally poor and the largely uneducated. And both leaders managed to garner fierce loyalty and support from all three groups when they really only care about one.
See above. They love Putin and blindly are following him over a cliff.
 
Can someone give any kind of an explanation how the 🤬 the average Russian can be this 🤬 ing stupid? More than two out of three support the Ukraine invasion and then they wonder why the world hates them.

Can that data be trusted?

I'm sure many people have also been pounded by misinformation, and who knows how many are scared of replying honestly.
 
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Can someone give any kind of an explanation how the 🤬 the average Russian can be this 🤬 ing stupid? More than two out of three support the Ukraine invasion and then they wonder why the world hates them.

Grievance-based nationalism is a hell of a thing.
 
Can someone give any kind of an explanation how the 🤬 the average Russian can be this 🤬 ing stupid? More than two out of three support the Ukraine invasion and then they wonder why the world hates them.

To be fair...
 
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UCI World Tour Team (Professionaly cycling) Gazprom-RusVelo won a race today in the UAE. There is discussion of banning the team now, particularly because Gazprom is a state entity. Does it matter? Not practically, but it does symbolically and Russia wouldn't be sponsoring a cycling team if it didn't matter to them at least a little bit.

Update on this: All Russian teams (including Gazprom-RusVelo) have been banned from professional cycling, though individual Russian athletes on other teams will still be able to participate. Again this is largely a symbolic gesture but I think an important message.
 
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I learned now just from ABC TV that all the bridges in Kiev have been brought down.
How deep does the Dnieper River run? I would have to imagine Russia planned for that possibility.... oh never mind, they might just end up confused by the road signs and accidentally invade Belarus.
 
I'm not entirely certain, but the implication I got was that they were brought down by the invaders. Also the TV tower.

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They also said that the Russians issued warnings they were going to bomb the city, and that all people should leave their homes.
 
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Can someone give any kind of an explanation how the 🤬 the average Russian can be this 🤬 ing stupid? More than two out of three support the Ukraine invasion and then they wonder why the world hates them.

Out of 1600 ppl and from russian officials. Actual numbers around 50%. In country with heavily oppressed press and strongest propaganda since Goebbels.
scared of replaying honestly.
Fear of repression is one of the strongest in Russia, actually. 47%
 
Isn't one of the strengths of the A-10 is that it can take a ton of damage and still fly? Outside the obvious A-10s go BRRRT I don't know a ton about them.
The A-10 isn't really survivable in the modern battlefield. Short ranged air defense has become a lot more powerful, as well as air to air missiles. The A-10 was designed to stop tanks from rolling across WWIII Europe in the 70's and 80's when mobile SAM's were less common and the main threat would be AAA (And as usual it would also assume the use of nuclear weapons), so it's no wonder that its design philosophy is a bit dated at this point.

The real threat to the convoy would be standoff weapons like the GBU-53 and AGM-154, which Soviet based aircraft don't have an equivalent to. The Su-25's that Ukraine operates are quite old. They've been modernized to a degree, I'm not sure of the specifics, but I'm certain they're not comparable to A-10C's.
 
The A-10 isn't really survivable in the modern battlefield. Short ranged air defense has become a lot more powerful, as well as air to air missiles. The A-10 was designed to stop tanks from rolling across WWIII Europe in the 70's and 80's when mobile SAM's were less common and the main threat would be AAA (And as usual it would also assume the use of nuclear weapons), so it's no wonder that its design philosophy is a bit dated at this point.

The real threat to the convoy would be standoff weapons like the GBU-53 and AGM-154, which Soviet based aircraft don't have an equivalent to. The Su-25's that Ukraine operates are quite old. They've been modernized to a degree, I'm not sure of the specifics, but I'm certain they're not comparable to A-10C's.
I'm positive I've read at various points over the years that the military was looking for an A-10 replacement, but kept extending its service b/c they had no suitable successors.
 
I'm positive I've read at various points over the years that the military was looking for an A-10 replacement, but kept extending its service b/c they had no suitable successors.
For the longest time the top brass in the Air Force have been wanting to get rid of it, convinced the F-35 could do the job better. But neither Congress nor soldiers on the ground agreed, so it lives on. And to be fair, actually seeing and hearing death coming from above seems like a valuable characteristic that the F-35 is never going to enjoy.

The modern battlefield @Exorcet is referring to is China and the Pacific. That part kinda makes sense but the AF has been trying to get rid of the plane since 2013 when we were still deeply involved in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc. They're still the most effective ground attack planes in existence as long as air superiority can be provided which is something that's going to be problematic in a conflict with China. That said, we've trialed them in these future war scenarios and have flown some to Japan as recently as last year.

I think they've finally given up trying to kill it because they're actually upgrading them with new wing spars, keeping them in service for at least another 15 years or so. Seems like the AF found a use for it in the Pacific, and a way to guarantee air coverage. Maybe all those Spratly Islands? Either way, China doesn't field a comparable tool so surely there's a use for it somewhere.
 
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Just when I though things couldn't get any more weird ... I came across this article on Fox Business News explaining how "socialists & communists" are pushing a pro-Putin anti-New World Order narrative, but then also pointing out that "key right wing influencers have amplified the conspiracy over the past several days". Right wing influencers like Fox News talking head Tucker Carlson & others.


It's worth reading the whole article to appreciate just how totally screwed the "Information Age" has become. :ouch:
 
Just when I though things couldn't get any more weird ... I came across this article on Fox Business News explaining how "socialists & communists" are pushing a pro-Putin anti-New World Order narrative, but then also pointing out that "key right wing influencers have amplified the conspiracy over the past several days". Right wing influencers like Fox News talking head Tucker Carlson & others.


It's worth reading the whole article to appreciate just how totally screwed the "Information Age" has become. :ouch:
Tucker Carlson became the exact thing he apparently is completely against! No wonder he flipped on his dialogue.
 
Crying. My grandfather is from Donbass, spend his early years in Kharkiv, then in WWII was evacuated to Russia and still live here. He served in Soviet Army, developed some staff for anti air weapons and currently professor in SPB University. He have access to internet and understand English. He doesn't believe that our army using Grads against people, still talking about 8 years of Donbass, Azov and russian speaking ultras that was send there by Ukrainian gov. He is wise men and I love him like father, but I am in rage.

Its really hard to believe that your army could do this. Around 50% of our citizens thinks that this war is legit and army fighting with Nazi's. Sure, most of them doesn't have access to opinions different from official.
Guys, if you don't mind, post twitter messages as jpgs, I cant see what you posting.
Could this ring a bell in his mind?
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Or this:
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Full video transcript in English:
"Silent, I cannot stay silent anymore. I address you, dear Russians, dear Jewish, dear Russian people. Those, who care. Remember, that he who does care and he who silently agrees or agrees without silence is an accomplice to a crime, war crime, crime against humanity. And I'm not telling you from what I saw on TV, I'm telling you from what I see here. I am not afraid to die, I am not afraid to perish. I have never thought, even in my worst nightmare, that I might have to perish under the shells of Russia, where I was born, where I went to school, where I have many friends. Who are silent. And basically no one called and asked. People call from all over the world. From all over the world. Jew or no Jew. Even the Arabs call me, from Israel, and support me. You know, the Israeli army, when they bomb... when they shoot at the terrorists, they shoot with a he.. hi.. high-accuracy missile at a motorbike rider, so as to not, God forbid, hurt peaceful population. Here? Look. Look at the videos. Maybe you're not shown this. They shoot with Grad (MLRS). Grad are not high-accuracy weapons. Grads, tanks, ballistic rockets, planes. What's going on? War. War! War! Kyiv. People, wake up, I ask you. I bless everyone who .... who c-care. And if, God forbid, I will have to perish, then let the curse be upon those who are silent and are silent accomplices in this horrible crime. I'm standing with the Holy Tora. This Tora has been given to us by the Almighty. And I'm telling you on the Tora"
 
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Ukrainian authorities had been tipped off about the plot by members of Russia's Federal Security Service who do not support the war, he added.

According to Wiki, these guys are the successor to the KGB. That can't be good if such an agency is tipping off the "enemy".
 
Could this ring a bell in his mind?
I could show him videos from Kharkiv and social media of those who captured this and thats will be ok. Idk, will be this right or not.

Judge at trial ask protestors "where you been all 8 years?". All you need to know about russian courts
 
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Some stores report that demand for iodine is spiking in the general public after Russia’s deterrent forces went on “high alert” the other day. People need to calm the **** down over this nuclear stuff. These weapons are bargaining tools, and currently keeping NATO out of Ukraine and Russia out of NATO territory.
 
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Russian propaganda saying that Ukrainian neonazis shell Kharkiv.

If Ukrainian info about casualties is real one week of war in Ukraine would cost more than year of War in Chechnya.
 
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Can you believe the rubbish and lies they tell,the Russian people who follow Putin must be totally brainwashed.I find it really hard to believe even the most ignorant are not starting to think this seems a bit urrrrrr.
 
Russian propaganda saying that Ukrainian neonazis shell Kharkiv.

If Ukrainian info about casualties is real one week of war in Ukraine would cost more than year of War in Chechnya.
Each side will always exaggerate the number of enemy casualties to boost their morale and try to demoralize the enemy. I wouldn’t be so sure about their info (or the Russian official sources either). They reported 2 Russian Il-76’s shot down earlier but there are still no photos or videos.

Remember - during a war, the “pi” number can easily reach 5. Or even 10.

About “Ukrainians shelling Kharkiv” claim - there’s a video where a local civilian man blames the Ukrainian forces for the shelling. They don’t necessarily have to be “neonazis” - probably just firing at the Russian-held part of the city without care about civilians. After all, Ukraine used to be the one who says “the separatists are shelling themselves!” during the hot phase of the Donbass war…
 
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